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Thank you hog for the comments and open mind. However I would like to say one thing on your suggestion about the name of my University. To understand East Carolina you must know our region. East Carolina is a region to itself. We are almost you could say seprate from the rest of NC. I mean that in the way of our ways of living and such. Although you look at the name East and think directional, I would argue that East Carolina represents a region, almost its own state. YOu have to look past the direcitonal and understand the area.
09-09-2004 01:57 PM
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I would choose Memphis over ECU in a heartbeat. If we were to expand, Memphis and Louisville would be my picks.
09-12-2004 10:20 PM
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You do know that Memphis just went to their first bowl in 32 years last year right. Even when we were indy we went to more bowl games and won more bowls than they have and we have been left out of bowls that we probably deserved to be in but werent invited because we were Indy. Ask Ole Miss what it was like to play us in basketball in greenville. They didnt make it out of greenville with a win.
09-15-2004 09:35 PM
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Actually our market is larger than most SEC markets and it isnt fully represented. There was an article about on bonesville that i wish i could find to show you. But bascially alot of cities surrounding greenville that used to be apart of our market are now included in the raleigh market. Im talking towns that are only 15, 20,30 miles away that watch ECU athletics but count for the raleigh market. If it was fully represented like it used to be, the market would be around the size of Orlando. Anyway the SEC doesnt care about markets so that shouldnt even be an issue. Tampas market doesnt do the Big East any good if no one watches them.
09-15-2004 09:43 PM
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99Tiger Wrote:Now here's my question to the board: If a BCS conference we to start looking at a few southern teams; we'll say Memphis, USM, Tulane, or UAB; would the SEC look harder at expansion to keep out further competition?
IF (and I suggest "IF") SEC expansion would be considered, I would look for the SEC to raid another big conference and look for markets.

Texas and Texas A&M
Oklahoma and Texas
West Virginia and Louisville
North Carolina State and Virginia Tech
Clemson and Florida State

If the SEC would play "friendly", maybe East Carolina and West Virginia.

I don't see a 14 or 16 conference as viable, personally.
10-12-2004 06:47 PM
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chess Wrote:North Carolina State and Virginia Tech
Clemson and Florida State
Let's review what would happen shortly before that:

Hell would freeze over, Vanderbilt would win the football national championship in a slugfest game with Duke, I'd win the lottery twice in a row, my neighbor would get hit by lightning... 12 times in the same storm shortly before electricuting himself in the bathtub... Joan Rivers would look young again... CNN would be fair and balanced... John Kerry would earn a real purple heart... the Libertarian Party would gain majority in the house and senate... Dook Cheerleaders would get their own Playboy spread... Phil Fulmer would lose 120 ibs... Steve Spurrier would loose 221-0 to Florida Atlantic .. the GT record still standing of course... Clemson would become an academic juggernaut... I'd marry to Carmen Electra, Hilary Duff, Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, Catherine Bell, Dannii Minogue, Vida Guerra ... at the same time (thanks Utah)... I'd be able to eat at the Ship's Chandler, The Beacon, and The Varsity free for life and never gain a pound... I'd get ripped and press 350 like it was nothing off a died of cheeseburgers.
10-13-2004 10:54 AM
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RIVER CITY PIRATE Wrote:The potential of East Carolina University scares the hell out of our instate "friends" in the ACC. This is not only true in athletics but on academics as well. ECU has a great fan base. True "SEC" type fans. Now in this day in time when TV markets matter more than fan base I say bull ******.
I assure you ECU does not scare Dook or UNC on the academic plane. No offense, but they're too established to be worried anymore.

Also, your claim is weak in terms of football at minimum. IIRC, Wake Forest blasted ECU the last two years, and before that Dook beat ECU in their house.
10-13-2004 10:56 AM
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Quote:However, for ECU to make a legitimate case, if I was Terry Holland, I'd do the following.

1) Expand your football stadium - 49,000 seats won't do in the SEC. Build it to 60,000. Then you've gotta fill it.
My alma mater can't even fill a 43,000 seat stadium in Wake Forest comes to town. How the hell would anyone expect her to fill a 60,000 when she's not playing ACC schools on the regular? Where are the fans going to come from?

Quote:2) New basketball area - You've got to make it around 10,000 seats, new state-of-the-art equipment, and ECU has to make a consistent run of trips to the Big Dance.
Again, ECU only averages about 5,500 fans a year in Williams Arena. Increasing capacity to 10,000 only benefits the crickets.

Quote:3) Baseball success - build on the success of your baseball program. If ECU makes consistent trips to Omaha, or wins a couple of CWS, that will open some eyes here.
Talent will become a problem because the ACC will get the lion's share. ECU will have trouble landing the best pitchers, as evidenced by last season's CWS series with South Carolina.

This whole "Tidewater" argument is Bull----. If the Tidewater-area was a draw, folks in that area would be falling all over themselves to drive to Greenville to see a game. Only time fans from the Tidewater area come to see a game in Greenville is when VT or William & Mary is the opponent.

ECU isn't scarin' anyone in any sport. When was the last time she beat an ACC school? Wake's won the last 4, and will win next year. Duke will beat ECU in Greenville next season because ECU won't be able to field an O-line capable of slowing down Duke's defensive front.

Folks around here realize ECUs a D1-AA program sadly imitating a D1-A outfit.

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Folks like to point out that SEC schools are in small market cities, but fail to see that when you're Florida or Georgia or Tennessee, the entire STATE is the market area.

When you're a directional school like ECU, your market area is the city you're in and maybe the surrounding counties. To compare:

Florida's market is the entire state of Florida.
Georgia's market is the entire state of Georgia
Tennessee's market is the entire state of Tennessee.
ECU's market is Greenville (NC), New Bern (NC), Washington (NC) and points in between.
10-28-2004 03:55 PM
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Personally, I think the SEC has one of the best conferences in College sports. Football-4 ranked teams and then others that are fairly decent...Alabama,South Carolina,and Florida. Then, their bread and butter, SEC basketball-4 ranked teams as well- Kentucky, Mississippi St., Florida, and Alabama...others that are good...Vandy,Georgia...so no...ECU doesn't really fit in... 03-puke
10-30-2004 03:44 PM
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Im posting here not to argue anything just to defend my school and soon to be alma mater. I love ECU and I think it is a great school and has alot to offer both athletically and academically. I know we aren't a Vanderbilt, but we are on par with alot of SEC schools that are tier 3.

First of all I would like to say that I agree with everyone that the SEC is the greatest football conference in America no doubt about that and the ACC is delusional that they think they are the best. I would just like to ask that everyone keep this discussion with an open mind and try not to bash my university because i will not do the same.

About football- Given this state currently in NCAA football our success has been declining due to the BCS and having to compete for recruits with 4 instate BCS schools along with surrounding BCS schools in other conferences in neighboring states. While our success hasn't been to our maximum potential the last few years one can not ignore our history and rate of success before the BCS. We have beaten a great number of quality programs with less talent, been to numerous bowls and have been left out of bowl games when we should have gone to bowls. Two years come to mind in 83' when we lost to the big 3 in florida by a combined 15 points or something and went 8-3 no bowl and in 1996 when we beat miami at the orange bowl along with state and we still didnt go to a bowl. We have played alot of the teams in the SEC over the years and have had some close games and we have had some not so close games. Dont you think if we were competitive when the BCS wasnt in place we could become just as competitve if we were in the BCS now? All we need is access and then the sky is the limit. What has Vandy, Duke, Rutgers, or Baylor, or Arizona done in the football world to warrant them full inclusion. We have done just as much as they have maybe even more with less. All we ask for is a chance. While the SEC is great and we would love to be apart of this wonderful conference i believe most of our efforts are going to involve us and the Big East. If USF got a chance why don't we deserve one?

By the way Big Fatty Mondo whatever it was the Super Regionals not the CWS. First of all we should have been hosting a Super Regional. 2nd of all both games were close and it could have gone either way. If it wasnt for the rain delay and having to take our number one pitcher out we could have won that game. Our pitchers shut down their offense just as much as much as they did. If theres one sport we can compete with the ACC in its baseball. With our new 9 million dollar stadium currently being constructed we now have the best prospects in America, we recruit nationally in baseball we dont just recruit north carolina mondo. If the ACC gets all of these better recruits why did they lay an egg against us last year? ZERO wins against and to top it off UNC is chicken to play us this year. Baseball is the least of my worries. We can recruit against anyone in baseball.
11-04-2004 09:27 AM
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