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SouthLink02 Wrote:Dude, we have no need for you nor does anyone want you
you might not want ECU......but you want that market(Tidewater 4+million) ......ECU will be an afiliate of the SEC within 10 years 04-cheers
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No, I can safely say that it will never be part of the SEC.
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DawgNBama Wrote:
99Tiger Wrote:Just speaking about future conference expansions in general, here are the things that I see as realistically generating further changes:



Now here's my question to the board:  If a BCS conference we to start looking at a few southern teams; we'll say Memphis, USM, Tulane, or UAB; would the SEC look harder at expansion to keep out further competition?
As for USM,UAB, and Tulane the answer is no. The SEC would gladly let the Big East and/or the Big 12 take those teams. As much as I like Southern Miss, (and I really do like the Golden Eagles), both of the SEC Mississippi teams would complain that Southern Miss cuts into their revenue and recruiting and therefore makes them (Ole Miss and Miss. State) not as viable to the league as they once were. Ditto for UAB. As for Tulane, the argument is this: Tulane used to be a member of the SEC. Tulane voluntarily chose to withdraw from the SEC. Why should Tulane be let back into the SEC when the SEC has already covered their market to start with, and Tulane having a history of leaving the SEC before. One thing I've learned about the SEC through a lot of research: the SEC does not take kindly to former members who chose to leave the conference. Georgia Tech, even if they wanted back in the SEC desperately, would not be given an invitation. It would the same with Sewannee (University of the South) and Tulane. If Vanderbilt ever dropped out of the conference, Vanderbilt can forget about ever being in the SEC again and they know it!!!
Now about Memphis: the SEC does cover the Memphis market. However, in Memphis' favor, the SEC is in need of good basketball teams and Memphis would be a good pickup in that area. The SEC would have to conduct a very long and involved study on Memphis and whether or not Memphis would have a positive or negative impact on the conference overall. Although I am very positive UT and Arkansas would be against Memphis' admission, I'm not so sure about the rest of the SEC. Very tough call. The reason I was looking at ECU favorably was because at least East Carolina would bring in a new market(s) to the SEC. However, I am not sure as to whether or not the potential revenue East Carolina would bring in would justify expansion of the league.
a very high offical of the SEC is a close friend of ECU. a second highly ranked SEC offical has direct ties to ECU......both of these officals understand that the ACC left a huge undervalued and overlooked market wide open(3+million in Tidewater Va,the largest market in the USA with no D1 football, or major league sports franchise) ECU is the closest D1 football program to that giant market. these officals understand that the ACC has support in tidewater,however that support is soft, a mile wide and a inch deep. the closest ACC school is 200+miles away. these SEC officals understand that a SEC afiliate so close to this huge market would change everything......the large media in tidewater would quickly adopt the SEC afiliate on there doorstep.there is talk that the big conferences could all go to 14 or 16 and split from the NCAA and reform the CFA (see BigEastbbs ) this could all happen within 10 years 04-cheers
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pirate65 Wrote:
DawgNBama Wrote:
99Tiger Wrote:Just speaking about future conference expansions in general, here are the things that I see as realistically generating further changes:



Now here's my question to the board:  If a BCS conference we to start looking at a few southern teams; we'll say Memphis, USM, Tulane, or UAB; would the SEC look harder at expansion to keep out further competition?
As for USM,UAB, and Tulane the answer is no. The SEC would gladly let the Big East and/or the Big 12 take those teams. As much as I like Southern Miss, (and I really do like the Golden Eagles), both of the SEC Mississippi teams would complain that Southern Miss cuts into their revenue and recruiting and therefore makes them (Ole Miss and Miss. State) not as viable to the league as they once were. Ditto for UAB. As for Tulane, the argument is this: Tulane used to be a member of the SEC. Tulane voluntarily chose to withdraw from the SEC. Why should Tulane be let back into the SEC when the SEC has already covered their market to start with, and Tulane having a history of leaving the SEC before. One thing I've learned about the SEC through a lot of research: the SEC does not take kindly to former members who chose to leave the conference. Georgia Tech, even if they wanted back in the SEC desperately, would not be given an invitation. It would the same with Sewannee (University of the South) and Tulane. If Vanderbilt ever dropped out of the conference, Vanderbilt can forget about ever being in the SEC again and they know it!!!
Now about Memphis: the SEC does cover the Memphis market. However, in Memphis' favor, the SEC is in need of good basketball teams and Memphis would be a good pickup in that area. The SEC would have to conduct a very long and involved study on Memphis and whether or not Memphis would have a positive or negative impact on the conference overall. Although I am very positive UT and Arkansas would be against Memphis' admission, I'm not so sure about the rest of the SEC. Very tough call. The reason I was looking at ECU favorably was because at least East Carolina would bring in a new market(s) to the SEC. However, I am not sure as to whether or not the potential revenue East Carolina would bring in would justify expansion of the league.
a very high offical of the SEC is a close friend of ECU. a second highly ranked SEC offical has direct ties to ECU......both of these officals understand that the ACC left a huge undervalued and overlooked market wide open(3+million in Tidewater Va,the largest market in the USA with no D1 football, or major league sports franchise) ECU is the closest D1 football program to that giant market. these officals understand that the ACC has support in tidewater,however that support is soft, a mile wide and a inch deep. the closest ACC school is 200+miles away. these SEC officals understand that a SEC afiliate so close to this huge market would change everything......the large media in tidewater would quickly adopt the SEC afiliate on there doorstep.there is talk that the big conferences could all go to 14 or 16 and split from the NCAA and reform the CFA (see BigEastbbs ) this could all happen within 10 years 04-cheers
Where are you getting 3 million from?

Va Beach: 350K
Norfolk: 250K
Chesapeake: 250K
Newport News: 200K
Hampton: 175K
Portsmouth: 175K
W-burg/Poquoson/York Co.: 100K
Other Southside counties: 250K

So that's not even close to 2 million, much less your 3+ million statement. BTW, I really have no idea the size of the southside counties, but I would guarantee it would be less that the 250K figure I presented, if even half that. I just don't feel like looking them up, so I gave you an enormously high number.
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JMUDUKE Wrote:
pirate65 Wrote:
DawgNBama Wrote:
99Tiger Wrote:Just speaking about future conference expansions in general, here are the things that I see as realistically generating further changes:



Now here's my question to the board:  If a BCS conference we to start looking at a few southern teams; we'll say Memphis, USM, Tulane, or UAB; would the SEC look harder at expansion to keep out further competition?
As for USM,UAB, and Tulane the answer is no. The SEC would gladly let the Big East and/or the Big 12 take those teams. As much as I like Southern Miss, (and I really do like the Golden Eagles), both of the SEC Mississippi teams would complain that Southern Miss cuts into their revenue and recruiting and therefore makes them (Ole Miss and Miss. State) not as viable to the league as they once were. Ditto for UAB. As for Tulane, the argument is this: Tulane used to be a member of the SEC. Tulane voluntarily chose to withdraw from the SEC. Why should Tulane be let back into the SEC when the SEC has already covered their market to start with, and Tulane having a history of leaving the SEC before. One thing I've learned about the SEC through a lot of research: the SEC does not take kindly to former members who chose to leave the conference. Georgia Tech, even if they wanted back in the SEC desperately, would not be given an invitation. It would the same with Sewannee (University of the South) and Tulane. If Vanderbilt ever dropped out of the conference, Vanderbilt can forget about ever being in the SEC again and they know it!!!
Now about Memphis: the SEC does cover the Memphis market. However, in Memphis' favor, the SEC is in need of good basketball teams and Memphis would be a good pickup in that area. The SEC would have to conduct a very long and involved study on Memphis and whether or not Memphis would have a positive or negative impact on the conference overall. Although I am very positive UT and Arkansas would be against Memphis' admission, I'm not so sure about the rest of the SEC. Very tough call. The reason I was looking at ECU favorably was because at least East Carolina would bring in a new market(s) to the SEC. However, I am not sure as to whether or not the potential revenue East Carolina would bring in would justify expansion of the league.
a very high offical of the SEC is a close friend of ECU. a second highly ranked SEC offical has direct ties to ECU......both of these officals understand that the ACC left a huge undervalued and overlooked market wide open(3+million in Tidewater Va,the largest market in the USA with no D1 football, or major league sports franchise) ECU is the closest D1 football program to that giant market. these officals understand that the ACC has support in tidewater,however that support is soft, a mile wide and a inch deep. the closest ACC school is 200+miles away. these SEC officals understand that a SEC afiliate so close to this huge market would change everything......the large media in tidewater would quickly adopt the SEC afiliate on there doorstep.there is talk that the big conferences could all go to 14 or 16 and split from the NCAA and reform the CFA (see BigEastbbs ) this could all happen within 10 years 04-cheers
Where are you getting 3 million from?

Va Beach: 350K
Norfolk: 250K
Chesapeake: 250K
Newport News: 200K
Hampton: 175K
Portsmouth: 175K
W-burg/Poquoson/York Co.: 100K
Other Southside counties: 250K

So that's not even close to 2 million, much less your 3+ million statement. BTW, I really have no idea the size of the southside counties, but I would guarantee it would be less that the 250K figure I presented, if even half that. I just don't feel like looking them up, so I gave you an enormously high number.
no matter how you slice it Tidewater is a very big and open market that ECU with SEC afiliation could grab.......this is a fact that very highly ranked officals of the SEC know about........what will happen 10 years?.........will be a way for this all to happen.....SEC understands new, and open markets, and thats where it will go......ECU must win and expand its basketball and football stadiums........within 10 years the big conferences, like the SEC will be at 14-16 schools grabbing new $$$$$$$$$ and markets. 04-cheers
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pirate65 Wrote:
JMUDUKE Wrote:
pirate65 Wrote:
DawgNBama Wrote:
99Tiger Wrote:Just speaking about future conference expansions in general, here are the things that I see as realistically generating further changes:



Now here's my question to the board:  If a BCS conference we to start looking at a few southern teams; we'll say Memphis, USM, Tulane, or UAB; would the SEC look harder at expansion to keep out further competition?
As for USM,UAB, and Tulane the answer is no. The SEC would gladly let the Big East and/or the Big 12 take those teams. As much as I like Southern Miss, (and I really do like the Golden Eagles), both of the SEC Mississippi teams would complain that Southern Miss cuts into their revenue and recruiting and therefore makes them (Ole Miss and Miss. State) not as viable to the league as they once were. Ditto for UAB. As for Tulane, the argument is this: Tulane used to be a member of the SEC. Tulane voluntarily chose to withdraw from the SEC. Why should Tulane be let back into the SEC when the SEC has already covered their market to start with, and Tulane having a history of leaving the SEC before. One thing I've learned about the SEC through a lot of research: the SEC does not take kindly to former members who chose to leave the conference. Georgia Tech, even if they wanted back in the SEC desperately, would not be given an invitation. It would the same with Sewannee (University of the South) and Tulane. If Vanderbilt ever dropped out of the conference, Vanderbilt can forget about ever being in the SEC again and they know it!!!
Now about Memphis: the SEC does cover the Memphis market. However, in Memphis' favor, the SEC is in need of good basketball teams and Memphis would be a good pickup in that area. The SEC would have to conduct a very long and involved study on Memphis and whether or not Memphis would have a positive or negative impact on the conference overall. Although I am very positive UT and Arkansas would be against Memphis' admission, I'm not so sure about the rest of the SEC. Very tough call. The reason I was looking at ECU favorably was because at least East Carolina would bring in a new market(s) to the SEC. However, I am not sure as to whether or not the potential revenue East Carolina would bring in would justify expansion of the league.
a very high offical of the SEC is a close friend of ECU. a second highly ranked SEC offical has direct ties to ECU......both of these officals understand that the ACC left a huge undervalued and overlooked market wide open(3+million in Tidewater Va,the largest market in the USA with no D1 football, or major league sports franchise) ECU is the closest D1 football program to that giant market. these officals understand that the ACC has support in tidewater,however that support is soft, a mile wide and a inch deep. the closest ACC school is 200+miles away. these SEC officals understand that a SEC afiliate so close to this huge market would change everything......the large media in tidewater would quickly adopt the SEC afiliate on there doorstep.there is talk that the big conferences could all go to 14 or 16 and split from the NCAA and reform the CFA (see BigEastbbs ) this could all happen within 10 years 04-cheers
Where are you getting 3 million from?

Va Beach: 350K
Norfolk: 250K
Chesapeake: 250K
Newport News: 200K
Hampton: 175K
Portsmouth: 175K
W-burg/Poquoson/York Co.: 100K
Other Southside counties: 250K

So that's not even close to 2 million, much less your 3+ million statement. BTW, I really have no idea the size of the southside counties, but I would guarantee it would be less that the 250K figure I presented, if even half that. I just don't feel like looking them up, so I gave you an enormously high number.
no matter how you slice it Tidewater is a very big and open market that ECU with SEC afiliation could grab.......this is a fact that very highly ranked officals of the SEC know about........what will happen 10 years?.........will be a way for this all to happen.....SEC understands new, and open markets, and thats where it will go......ECU must win and expand its basketball and football stadiums........within 10 years the big conferences, like the SEC will be at 14-16 schools grabbing new $$$$$$$$$ and markets. 04-cheers
ECU would grab maybe 1/3 of the market even if it joined the SEC. The tidewater has quite a few VT alums as well and frankly, a lot of people would rather support a school 5 hours away than one 2 hours away if the school that is 5 hours away is in the state. The fact of the matter is that the SEC and ACC aren't that much different anymore. 5 years ago, I may have agreed. Nonetheless, this arguement is moot because ECU will never be in the SEC. The Big East is far more realistic.
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SouthLink02 Wrote:No, I can safely say that it will never be part of the SEC.
And I can safely say, no, Texas A&M will NEVER be a part of the SEC. LSU & Arkansas may want them, but the rest of the conference does not want them at all!!!
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JMUDUKE Wrote:
pirate65 Wrote:
DawgNBama Wrote:
99Tiger Wrote:Just speaking about future conference expansions in general, here are the things that I see as realistically generating further changes:



Now here's my question to the board:  If a BCS conference we to start looking at a few southern teams; we'll say Memphis, USM, Tulane, or UAB; would the SEC look harder at expansion to keep out further competition?
As for USM,UAB, and Tulane the answer is no. The SEC would gladly let the Big East and/or the Big 12 take those teams. As much as I like Southern Miss, (and I really do like the Golden Eagles), both of the SEC Mississippi teams would complain that Southern Miss cuts into their revenue and recruiting and therefore makes them (Ole Miss and Miss. State) not as viable to the league as they once were. Ditto for UAB. As for Tulane, the argument is this: Tulane used to be a member of the SEC. Tulane voluntarily chose to withdraw from the SEC. Why should Tulane be let back into the SEC when the SEC has already covered their market to start with, and Tulane having a history of leaving the SEC before. One thing I've learned about the SEC through a lot of research: the SEC does not take kindly to former members who chose to leave the conference. Georgia Tech, even if they wanted back in the SEC desperately, would not be given an invitation. It would the same with Sewannee (University of the South) and Tulane. If Vanderbilt ever dropped out of the conference, Vanderbilt can forget about ever being in the SEC again and they know it!!!
Now about Memphis: the SEC does cover the Memphis market. However, in Memphis' favor, the SEC is in need of good basketball teams and Memphis would be a good pickup in that area. The SEC would have to conduct a very long and involved study on Memphis and whether or not Memphis would have a positive or negative impact on the conference overall. Although I am very positive UT and Arkansas would be against Memphis' admission, I'm not so sure about the rest of the SEC. Very tough call. The reason I was looking at ECU favorably was because at least East Carolina would bring in a new market(s) to the SEC. However, I am not sure as to whether or not the potential revenue East Carolina would bring in would justify expansion of the league.
a very high offical of the SEC is a close friend of ECU. a second highly ranked SEC offical has direct ties to ECU......both of these officals understand that the ACC left a huge undervalued and overlooked market wide open(3+million in Tidewater Va,the largest market in the USA with no D1 football, or major league sports franchise) ECU is the closest D1 football program to that giant market. these officals understand that the ACC has support in tidewater,however that support is soft, a mile wide and a inch deep. the closest ACC school is 200+miles away. these SEC officals understand that a SEC afiliate so close to this huge market would change everything......the large media in tidewater would quickly adopt the SEC afiliate on there doorstep.there is talk that the big conferences could all go to 14 or 16 and split from the NCAA and reform the CFA (see BigEastbbs ) this could all happen within 10 years 04-cheers
Where are you getting 3 million from?

Va Beach: 350K
Norfolk: 250K
Chesapeake: 250K
Newport News: 200K
Hampton: 175K
Portsmouth: 175K
W-burg/Poquoson/York Co.: 100K
Other Southside counties: 250K

So that's not even close to 2 million, much less your 3+ million statement. BTW, I really have no idea the size of the southside counties, but I would guarantee it would be less that the 250K figure I presented, if even half that. I just don't feel like looking them up, so I gave you an enormously high number.
US Bureau of Labor Statistics 2000 figures, population of NORFOLK-VA BEACH alone is, 1,574,204, the entire Tidewater VA- eastern NC area is close to 4+ million. by 2010 the area could be 6+million. this is just to big a market for the SEC to overlook. the fact is the market will be cherry picked by the SEC, within 10 years, its afiliate will be, ECU. the market is just to big and would bring millions to the SEC. the SEC has key officals in place who have direct ties to ECU who have taken note of this. ECU, and its close by large, overlooked and cronicly undervalued ,Tidewater VA and NC market , will be a bold move for the SEC that will pay member schools millions, and excite the area for SEC football. tens of thousands of the unifiliated,plus tens of thousands of SEC fans all over tidewater VA and NC will make the short drive to ECU to see a SEC football game. 04-cheers
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Ok, here goes! Your plan will not work. Not with the Tidewater argument. I used to live in VA Beach. You know why I said used to? That's right, I was in the Navy. So is the greatest percentage of the people in that region. (or other branches of service) Even the locals in that area support much bigger schools such as NCST, Duke, WF, UNC, VA, VT. Your not going to tap into a fanbase like that just because you become our newest version of Vanderbilt. Way to many of the migrant military living there have passion for their own schools back home. Not once in three years did anyone ever say "Hey let's go watch EC play this weekend." :jet:
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