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DawgNBama Wrote:Maroon Frog, you and I both know that TCU has been lobbying for ages to get into the Big XII. :rolleyes: And if the Big XII gave TCU an invite right now, TCU would leave the MWC in a heartbeat.
I won't deny that. I just said this thread about ECU and the SEC was interesting.
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The SEC isn't going to <a href='http://www.centralohio.com/ohiostate/stories/20030708/football/611709.html' target='_blank'>expand</a>

Athletic directors across the conference said there are no current discussions about SEC expansion.

"I don't see anybody out there that the SEC feels would bring to the table enough TV sets to warrant the split of the revenue," Broyles said. "... It would have to have a big TV set base and fan base to warrant the additional split of the money."

At last month's SEC spring meetings, it was projected that number would jump to $101.9 million this year. The addition of another school would cost member schools millions of dollars. Last year, the league's member schools shared $95.7 million from football and basketball revenues.

"There are really only a couple of reasons to expand," Turner said. "One is for money. The other is for philosophical institutional reasons and/or power. ... You've got to get through the first one before you can get to the second one, and I just don't currently see that as a possibility down the road."



Right now the BCS conferences that ECU fits and are lobbying to get into, the ACC and the SEC, are locked at 12, and the ACC released a similar article several months back saying anything higher then 12 teams severely cuts into their profit.
05-20-2004 02:44 PM
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I read the article. It said the SEC was "currently" not looking at expansion. This doesn't mean that expansion can't happen in the future. It just means presently expansion is not on the horizon. $$'s was the thing that both Broyles and Turner mentioned quite a bit in that article. At one time, I seriously believed that the SEC was looking to get VT maybe 5 years out in the future. However, the ACC effectively squashed that idea with taking VT in expansion. As for Texas & TAMU (Texas A&M U.), if the SEC ever wanted them, the SEC should have went after them back when the SWC was still in existence. The SEC failed to do so, so that idea has been dead for quite some time. Apparently, according to the article, the SEC knows of another school that will bring serious $$ into the conference, but hasn't named it yet. Maybe that school is ND? 03-wink
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Just speaking about future conference expansions in general, here are the things that I see as realistically generating further changes:

1. If (when) the Big East splits. The D-1A football-playing schools do not seem content staying the a league together with the non-D-1A schools. I'd bet a paycheck or two that this will happen about 5 years after they start playing together as a new conference (summer 2005). The only reason they didn't split before is that neither league would have an automatic bid to the basketball tournament.

2. I've heard that it may be possible to secure two guaranteed bids under the BCS contract if a conference has 16 members consisting of 2 8-team divisions. In that scenario, the winner of each division would be guaranteed a spot in a BCS game.

Now here's my question to the board: If a BCS conference we to start looking at a few southern teams; we'll say Memphis, USM, Tulane, or UAB; would the SEC look harder at expansion to keep out further competition?
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99Tiger Wrote:Just speaking about future conference expansions in general, here are the things that I see as realistically generating further changes:



Now here's my question to the board: If a BCS conference we to start looking at a few southern teams; we'll say Memphis, USM, Tulane, or UAB; would the SEC look harder at expansion to keep out further competition?
As for USM,UAB, and Tulane the answer is no. The SEC would gladly let the Big East and/or the Big 12 take those teams. As much as I like Southern Miss, (and I really do like the Golden Eagles), both of the SEC Mississippi teams would complain that Southern Miss cuts into their revenue and recruiting and therefore makes them (Ole Miss and Miss. State) not as viable to the league as they once were. Ditto for UAB. As for Tulane, the argument is this: Tulane used to be a member of the SEC. Tulane voluntarily chose to withdraw from the SEC. Why should Tulane be let back into the SEC when the SEC has already covered their market to start with, and Tulane having a history of leaving the SEC before. One thing I've learned about the SEC through a lot of research: the SEC does not take kindly to former members who chose to leave the conference. Georgia Tech, even if they wanted back in the SEC desperately, would not be given an invitation. It would the same with Sewannee (University of the South) and Tulane. If Vanderbilt ever dropped out of the conference, Vanderbilt can forget about ever being in the SEC again and they know it!!!
Now about Memphis: the SEC does cover the Memphis market. However, in Memphis' favor, the SEC is in need of good basketball teams and Memphis would be a good pickup in that area. The SEC would have to conduct a very long and involved study on Memphis and whether or not Memphis would have a positive or negative impact on the conference overall. Although I am very positive UT and Arkansas would be against Memphis' admission, I'm not so sure about the rest of the SEC. Very tough call. The reason I was looking at ECU favorably was because at least East Carolina would bring in a new market(s) to the SEC. However, I am not sure as to whether or not the potential revenue East Carolina would bring in would justify expansion of the league.
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DawgNBama Wrote:As for USM,UAB, and Tulane the answer is no. The SEC would gladly let the Big East and/or the Big 12 take those teams. As much as I like Southern Miss, (and I really do like the Golden Eagles), both of the SEC Mississippi teams would complain that Southern Miss cuts into their revenue and recruiting and therefore makes them (Ole Miss and Miss. State) not as viable to the league as they once were. Ditto for UAB. As for Tulane, the argument is this: Tulane used to be a member of the SEC. Tulane voluntarily chose to withdraw from the SEC. Why should Tulane be let back into the SEC when the SEC has already covered their market to start with, and Tulane having a history of leaving the SEC before. One thing I've learned about the SEC through a lot of research: the SEC does not take kindly to former members who chose to leave the conference. Georgia Tech, even if they wanted back in the SEC desperately, would not be given an invitation. It would the same with Sewannee (University of the South) and Tulane. If Vanderbilt ever dropped out of the conference, Vanderbilt can forget about ever being in the SEC again and they know it!!!
Now about Memphis: the SEC does cover the Memphis market. However, in Memphis' favor, the SEC is in need of good basketball teams and Memphis would be a good pickup in that area. The SEC would have to conduct a very long and involved study on Memphis and whether or not Memphis would have a positive or negative impact on the conference overall. Although I am very positive UT and Arkansas would be against Memphis' admission, I'm not so sure about the rest of the SEC. Very tough call. The reason I was looking at ECU favorably was because at least East Carolina would bring in a new market(s) to the SEC. However, I am not sure as to whether or not the potential revenue East Carolina would bring in would justify expansion of the league.
Fair answer.

I would add this concerning Memphis...UT's vote would strongly depend on the governor's disposition. They haven't really been creating goodwill for themselves lately...basically, the state government has them on a bit of a leash.
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I'd have to say Memphis or even a schools like Georgia Tech or Clemson(not that either would want to leave the ACC) would be the best fits if the SEC ever expanded.

As for the comment about ECU being more excited about sports if they were playing SEC opponents: all I have to say is DUH!

If you were to pick the school that would be most excited to play SEC opponents, I'd have to say it's a toss-up between USM, Memphis and UAB. I believe the school that'd benefit most from SEC affiliation would be UAB because we are in the heart of SEC country... UAB fans would already know all the schools, cities, players, coaches, and politics because it is force-fed to us through the Birmingham media.
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DawgNBama Wrote:
99Tiger Wrote:Just speaking about future conference expansions in general, here are the things that I see as realistically generating further changes:



Now here's my question to the board:&nbsp; If a BCS conference we to start looking at a few southern teams; we'll say Memphis, USM, Tulane, or UAB; would the SEC look harder at expansion to keep out further competition?
As for USM,UAB, and Tulane the answer is no. The SEC would gladly let the Big East and/or the Big 12 take those teams. As much as I like Southern Miss, (and I really do like the Golden Eagles), both of the SEC Mississippi teams would complain that Southern Miss cuts into their revenue and recruiting and therefore makes them (Ole Miss and Miss. State) not as viable to the league as they once were. Ditto for UAB. As for Tulane, the argument is this: Tulane used to be a member of the SEC. Tulane voluntarily chose to withdraw from the SEC. Why should Tulane be let back into the SEC when the SEC has already covered their market to start with, and Tulane having a history of leaving the SEC before. One thing I've learned about the SEC through a lot of research: the SEC does not take kindly to former members who chose to leave the conference. Georgia Tech, even if they wanted back in the SEC desperately, would not be given an invitation. It would the same with Sewannee (University of the South) and Tulane. If Vanderbilt ever dropped out of the conference, Vanderbilt can forget about ever being in the SEC again and they know it!!!
Now about Memphis: the SEC does cover the Memphis market. However, in Memphis' favor, the SEC is in need of good basketball teams and Memphis would be a good pickup in that area. The SEC would have to conduct a very long and involved study on Memphis and whether or not Memphis would have a positive or negative impact on the conference overall. Although I am very positive UT and Arkansas would be against Memphis' admission, I'm not so sure about the rest of the SEC. Very tough call. The reason I was looking at ECU favorably was because at least East Carolina would bring in a new market(s) to the SEC. However, I am not sure as to whether or not the potential revenue East Carolina would bring in would justify expansion of the league.
very good points though I will say that I doubt we will ever have Sewanee either asking or being asked to rejoin the SEC, they are Division III. They left the conference in 1940, when the league was only 7 years old but my guess is that the other schools were heading in one direction and they were left out, I mean they did not have a Division III at that time so I am not sure if they just gave up the sport or moved to a smaller conference, in their case they get a pass. If you look at some of the older more established conferences, they all have some programs that left, for example the Big 10 had Chicago and the Pac 10 had Idaho and Montana, in some cases they left to either join another conference that would be more competitive for them, dropped the sport altogether or dropped to a lower division to remain competitive. Tulane and Georgia Tech have no excuses and will never be back in the SEC.
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You're kidding...right?
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DawgNBama Wrote:My intense hatred for many of the former members of the SWC notwithstanding ( here's SEC vs SWC for ya: 03-nutkick take that arrogant Tejas teams!!!), I would like to get back on the topic of East Carolina joining the SEC.

What type of a following does ECU have in North Carolina? The last time the SEC expanded, it took in two programs with pretty big fan followings (see Arkansas and South Carolina). What type of high school football talent does North Carolina have? (i.e. Are Chris Leaks the exception or the rule in NC?) I don't know if this right or wrong, but I always got the impression that the state of North Carolina is a lot like the state of Indiana: big time basketball state. Should North Carolina become more of a "football state," and East Carolina have like 70,000 seat stadium with a huge fan following, I would be pushing heavily for ECU's admission to the SEC. BTW, I'd have these same reservations about Louisville if they were wanting SEC membership too or Indiana from the Big Ten. I have no doubt that ECU could compete with some of the SEC schools, but I do have doubts about whether or not ECU could compete with all of the SEC schools.
ECU, and its D1 football program, is only 50 short miles from the vast overlooked and untapped ,Tidewater VA market( 4+million) the next closest D1 football program, NC State, is 300 miles away........the ACC and Big East blindly left this market unifiliated..........the SEC could grab this market from under the very nose of the pompous ACC.....by making ECU a afiliate of the SEC........my hunch, the SEC, makes a very smart move and cherry picks, WVU and ECU....within ten years. the SEC , can see, the tens of thousands of ACC haters, making the short 50 mile drive to, ECU, to watch a sold out, SEC football game 04-cheers
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