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(10-31-2013 09:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  or maybe its your johnies bias kicking in????? here are my reasons for it.....

1. they are "new money". having their first FF come in 1999. the program rose very quickly and whenever you do that in any sport you make enemies (like oregon in FBS)

2. they had a bit of a cheating with pride aspect to them, where they were dealing with the ncaa far to often and on top of it there was a sense that the admin/fanbase wore thiswith a badge of honor that they were getting away with a lot of stuff

3. the acc lawsuit. i dont think i need to go in detail but the way that schol handled that situation certainly gave that school a blackeye among other administrations

no i just dont come up with this sort of stuff out of the blue, theres a lil bit of logic that comes with my craziness

Pitt was part of that ACC lawsuit too. If you remember correctly UConn had every reason to be super pissed. They were asked by those three schools as well as the other four in the Big East to upgrade their FB program to D1A (now FBS). They made a huge investment to get up to that level even building a brand new stadium and then right before they are set to make that jump three teams bolt for the ACC. Those three made promises and decisions were made under the assumption they would be playing Miami, BC and VT every year.

Like I said Pitt was also part of that lawsuit as well as Rutgers and WVU. If Rutgers didn't go to the B1G and Maryland still went Rutgers would have been the #1 choice for the ACC. So them not getting an invite didn't have to do with the whole ACC hating them, it was more of a regional territoriality issue with BC wanting to be the only big time New England team. BC doesn't want the competition. Thats it. Plain and simple.
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(11-01-2013 11:42 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(10-31-2013 09:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  or maybe its your johnies bias kicking in????? here are my reasons for it.....

1. they are "new money". having their first FF come in 1999. the program rose very quickly and whenever you do that in any sport you make enemies (like oregon in FBS)

2. they had a bit of a cheating with pride aspect to them, where they were dealing with the ncaa far to often and on top of it there was a sense that the admin/fanbase wore thiswith a badge of honor that they were getting away with a lot of stuff

3. the acc lawsuit. i dont think i need to go in detail but the way that schol handled that situation certainly gave that school a blackeye among other administrations

no i just dont come up with this sort of stuff out of the blue, theres a lil bit of logic that comes with my craziness

Pitt was part of that ACC lawsuit too. If you remember correctly UConn had every reason to be super pissed. They were asked by those three schools as well as the other four in the Big East to upgrade their FB program to D1A (now FBS). They made a huge investment to get up to that level even building a brand new stadium and then right before they are set to make that jump three teams bolt for the ACC. Those three made promises and decisions were made under the assumption they would be playing Miami, BC and VT every year.

Like I said Pitt was also part of that lawsuit as well as Rutgers and WVU. If Rutgers didn't go to the B1G and Maryland still went Rutgers would have been the #1 choice for the ACC. So them not getting an invite didn't have to do with the whole ACC hating them, it was more of a regional territoriality issue with BC wanting to be the only big time New England team. BC doesn't want the competition. Thats it. Plain and simple.

yeah but it was uconn who screamed the loudest and uconn who built up a lot of bad blood not wvu or pitt.

syracuse was the only BE football school that did not get involved with the ACC lawsuit in 2003, and the exact same thing happened again in 2011 when they were the only departing school that never filed a lawsuit.

theres a certain way that SU does things that allows for them to have good relationships with other schools. and i know you are an SU hater and you are letting that take place of your basic logic.

SU has scheduled nova, sju, & gtown every year going forward. so obviously they are well liked by the c7
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(11-01-2013 10:20 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-31-2013 09:52 AM)john01992 Wrote:  i dunno.

syracuse has scheduled most of the former BE teams, and when we left for the ACC a lot of sources said that was the toughest pill to swallow for the other BE members. i remember a "tore our heart out" comment during the c7 split

not trying to come off as egotistic here but i always felt the relationship between uconn/syracuse with the rest of the BE was that syracuse took on a michigan/b10 type role where they were loved by the rest of the conference whereas uconn took on a more osu/b10 type role where they were disliked by the rest of the conference

You've got the roles reversed in the Big Ten - *everyone* in the conference hates Michigan (although they also respect them) much more so than Ohio State. OSU might better at sports as a whole, but Michigan people seriously believe that they are both better at sports *and* are straight up better people than you (i.e. the concept of the "Michigan Man"), which is exponentially more infuriating and snobby. OSU hate is generally relegated to the field/court, whereas Michigan hate is about the entire elitism of the institution in everything that it does. Imagine the attitude of Texas fans if you bumped them up 30 spots higher in the academic rankings - that's the University of Michigan.

i have been to pretty much every b10 campus (havent been to illinois) and i have sensed the complete opposite. i think a big part of it is that a lot of people in the b10 feels that osu acts more like an SEC school than a b10 school at times.
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(11-01-2013 06:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(11-01-2013 11:42 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(10-31-2013 09:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  or maybe its your johnies bias kicking in????? here are my reasons for it.....

1. they are "new money". having their first FF come in 1999. the program rose very quickly and whenever you do that in any sport you make enemies (like oregon in FBS)

2. they had a bit of a cheating with pride aspect to them, where they were dealing with the ncaa far to often and on top of it there was a sense that the admin/fanbase wore thiswith a badge of honor that they were getting away with a lot of stuff

3. the acc lawsuit. i dont think i need to go in detail but the way that schol handled that situation certainly gave that school a blackeye among other administrations

no i just dont come up with this sort of stuff out of the blue, theres a lil bit of logic that comes with my craziness

Pitt was part of that ACC lawsuit too. If you remember correctly UConn had every reason to be super pissed. They were asked by those three schools as well as the other four in the Big East to upgrade their FB program to D1A (now FBS). They made a huge investment to get up to that level even building a brand new stadium and then right before they are set to make that jump three teams bolt for the ACC. Those three made promises and decisions were made under the assumption they would be playing Miami, BC and VT every year.

Like I said Pitt was also part of that lawsuit as well as Rutgers and WVU. If Rutgers didn't go to the B1G and Maryland still went Rutgers would have been the #1 choice for the ACC. So them not getting an invite didn't have to do with the whole ACC hating them, it was more of a regional territoriality issue with BC wanting to be the only big time New England team. BC doesn't want the competition. Thats it. Plain and simple.

yeah but it was uconn who screamed the loudest and uconn who built up a lot of bad blood not wvu or pitt.

syracuse was the only BE football school that did not get involved with the ACC lawsuit in 2003, and the exact same thing happened again in 2011 when they were the only departing school that never filed a lawsuit.

theres a certain way that SU does things that allows for them to have good relationships with other schools. and i know you are an SU hater and you are letting that take place of your basic logic.

SU has scheduled nova, sju, & gtown every year going forward. so obviously they are well liked by the c7

1. The SJU series is just for 2 games.

2. Just become someone does business with someone doesn't mean they particularly like or even respect them.
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I have to agree with john regarding syracuse. While i was bummed that they decided to leave they did IMO handle the situation the BEST of all the FB defectors. (louisville also handled it well, although at that point the harm was already done long before)
VTech did what they had to do so nothing negative to say about them. the rest though could have conducted themselves better.
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(11-01-2013 06:55 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(11-01-2013 06:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(11-01-2013 11:42 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  
(10-31-2013 09:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  or maybe its your johnies bias kicking in????? here are my reasons for it.....

1. they are "new money". having their first FF come in 1999. the program rose very quickly and whenever you do that in any sport you make enemies (like oregon in FBS)

2. they had a bit of a cheating with pride aspect to them, where they were dealing with the ncaa far to often and on top of it there was a sense that the admin/fanbase wore thiswith a badge of honor that they were getting away with a lot of stuff

3. the acc lawsuit. i dont think i need to go in detail but the way that schol handled that situation certainly gave that school a blackeye among other administrations

no i just dont come up with this sort of stuff out of the blue, theres a lil bit of logic that comes with my craziness

Pitt was part of that ACC lawsuit too. If you remember correctly UConn had every reason to be super pissed. They were asked by those three schools as well as the other four in the Big East to upgrade their FB program to D1A (now FBS). They made a huge investment to get up to that level even building a brand new stadium and then right before they are set to make that jump three teams bolt for the ACC. Those three made promises and decisions were made under the assumption they would be playing Miami, BC and VT every year.

Like I said Pitt was also part of that lawsuit as well as Rutgers and WVU. If Rutgers didn't go to the B1G and Maryland still went Rutgers would have been the #1 choice for the ACC. So them not getting an invite didn't have to do with the whole ACC hating them, it was more of a regional territoriality issue with BC wanting to be the only big time New England team. BC doesn't want the competition. Thats it. Plain and simple.

yeah but it was uconn who screamed the loudest and uconn who built up a lot of bad blood not wvu or pitt.

syracuse was the only BE football school that did not get involved with the ACC lawsuit in 2003, and the exact same thing happened again in 2011 when they were the only departing school that never filed a lawsuit.

theres a certain way that SU does things that allows for them to have good relationships with other schools. and i know you are an SU hater and you are letting that take place of your basic logic.

SU has scheduled nova, sju, & gtown every year going forward. so obviously they are well liked by the c7

1. The SJU series is just for 2 games.

2. Just become someone does business with someone doesn't mean they particularly like or even respect them.

i totally disagree, if a school has a beef with another school.....they wont play each other....

uconn-bc
navy-maryland
gtown-maryland
air force-colorado
texas-texas a&m
gtech-bama

a big part of college sports is the association schools gain by playing each other. so if school X has a negative view of school Y, they wont play school Y regardless of their rivalry past history, money, etc.
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(11-01-2013 08:07 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I have to agree with john regarding syracuse. While i was bummed that they decided to leave they did IMO handle the situation the BEST of all the FB defectors. (louisville also handled it well, although at that point the harm was already done long before)
VTech did what they had to do so nothing negative to say about them. the rest though could have conducted themselves better.

thank you
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(11-01-2013 08:27 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(11-01-2013 08:07 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I have to agree with john regarding syracuse. While i was bummed that they decided to leave they did IMO handle the situation the BEST of all the FB defectors. (louisville also handled it well, although at that point the harm was already done long before)
VTech did what they had to do so nothing negative to say about them. the rest though could have conducted themselves better.

thank you

Oh so right away pushing for the ACC tourny in MSG is handling it well? They might have been the best but the best of a pile of 01-rivals is still 01-rivals
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(10-31-2013 09:02 PM)john01992 Wrote:  or maybe its your johnies bias kicking in????? here are my reasons for it.....

1. they are "new money". having their first FF come in 1999. the program rose very quickly and whenever you do that in any sport you make enemies (like oregon in FBS)

2. they had a bit of a cheating with pride aspect to them, where they were dealing with the ncaa far to often and on top of it there was a sense that the admin/fanbase wore thiswith a badge of honor that they were getting away with a lot of stuff

3. the acc lawsuit. i dont think i need to go in detail but the way that schol handled that situation certainly gave that school a blackeye among other administrations

no i just dont come up with this sort of stuff out of the blue, theres a lil bit of logic that comes with my craziness

hmm, here are my reasons for hating cuse:

1. they are "new money". having their first bball championship come in 2003 (no, i don't count Helms BS).

2. they had and still have a bit of a cheating/breaking the law with pride aspect to them, where they were dealing with the ncaa and law enforcement entities far to often and on top of it there was a sense that the admin/fanbase wore thiswith a badge of honor that they were getting away with a lot of stuff

http://www.casualhoya.com/2012/12/17/377...basketball

has an extensive, though I am sure not exhaustive list

3. no, you know what? I just hate cuse, always have, always will. The thought that BE fans respect cuse while hating UConn is a joke.
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When did Syracusepropose moving the acc roueny to msg? I missed those comments
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(11-03-2013 08:34 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  When did Syracusepropose moving the acc roueny to msg? I missed those comments

http://www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball...round.html
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(11-01-2013 06:06 PM)john01992 Wrote:  
(11-01-2013 10:20 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(10-31-2013 09:52 AM)john01992 Wrote:  i dunno.

syracuse has scheduled most of the former BE teams, and when we left for the ACC a lot of sources said that was the toughest pill to swallow for the other BE members. i remember a "tore our heart out" comment during the c7 split

not trying to come off as egotistic here but i always felt the relationship between uconn/syracuse with the rest of the BE was that syracuse took on a michigan/b10 type role where they were loved by the rest of the conference whereas uconn took on a more osu/b10 type role where they were disliked by the rest of the conference

You've got the roles reversed in the Big Ten - *everyone* in the conference hates Michigan (although they also respect them) much more so than Ohio State. OSU might better at sports as a whole, but Michigan people seriously believe that they are both better at sports *and* are straight up better people than you (i.e. the concept of the "Michigan Man"), which is exponentially more infuriating and snobby. OSU hate is generally relegated to the field/court, whereas Michigan hate is about the entire elitism of the institution in everything that it does. Imagine the attitude of Texas fans if you bumped them up 30 spots higher in the academic rankings - that's the University of Michigan.

i have been to pretty much every b10 campus (havent been to illinois) and i have sensed the complete opposite. i think a big part of it is that a lot of people in the b10 feels that osu acts more like an SEC school than a b10 school at times.

I may not know much, but I know the Big Ten. The conference toward Ohio State is merely "sports hate". Hate toward Michigan is complete and all-encompassing hate on every level. That's not to say that Michigan isn't respected - they are *very* respected, but other Big Ten schools generally have a special reserved disdain for that school.
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