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(11-04-2013 09:10 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  If Cuccinelli was so terrible, would Rand Paul & Ron Paul be campaigning for him?

Think about that for a minute.

You would think they would be campaigning for Sarvis - the libertarian.
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OK, let's do the math. You have 20-25% who want abortion and gay marriage outlawed. You have 20-25% who want a socialist/communist nanny state. You have 50-60% who don't want a socialist/communist nanny state, and don't want abortion and gay marriage outlawed. If the election is about abortion and gay marriage, you start with 25% for and 75% against. If the election is about a socialist/communist nanny state, you start with 75% for and 25% against. Which of those os easier to win?

Republicans will win lots of elections over the next year if those elections are about Obamacare. So democrats will do everything in their power to make it about social issues, even if the have to go to George Stephanopoulos lengths to do it. So, don't feed the beast.
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(11-04-2013 09:08 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 08:16 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 05:24 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Still sounds like neither candidate is very appealing.

this has been my takeaway from all I've read about this race as well.

(11-04-2013 08:33 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 08:16 AM)Niner National Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 05:24 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Still sounds like neither candidate is very appealing.
this has been my takeaway from all I've read about this race as well.

Cuccinelli might have been until he went bonkers, McAuliffe never was.

Please explain how he went bonkers keeping in mind that the rich liberals like Bloomberg have funneled in 10x (literally) the funds as Cuccinelli for smear campaign ads.

Every negative thing you hear is a twist, with the one exception being he stayed in some dude's mansion for a couple of nights. If any of you pretend to know anything about politics, this isn't a big deal.


By smear campaign are you talking about the bills he supported to ban birth control and his support of mandating ultrasounds for women?

Does smear mean you are just talking about real world actions taken by someone?
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(11-04-2013 09:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  OK, let's do the math. You have 20-25% who want abortion and gay marriage outlawed. You have 20-25% who want a socialist/communist nanny state. You have 50-60% who don't want a socialist/communist nanny state, and don't want abortion and gay marriage outlawed. If the election is about abortion and gay marriage, you start with 25% for and 75% against. If the election is about a socialist/communist nanny state, you start with 75% for and 25% against. Which of those os easier to win?

Republicans will win lots of elections over the next year if those elections are about Obamacare. So democrats will do everything in their power to make it about social issues, even if the have to go to George Stephanopoulos lengths to do it. So, don't feed the beast.

You are leaving out one major component: the media and its ability to make you think social conservatism is dying. This is not youth gone wild.

Obamacare was just the tip. Obamacare also exposed many of the problems surrounding democrats. Obamacare has rippling affects. It will be about a crumbling society, rising costs and a lying administration. The Republicans can and will win elections without abandoning their social views. They could not win elections without them...hence the libertarians garnering 3% or the electorate running on drug wars and military spending.
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(11-04-2013 09:47 AM)dcCid Wrote:  By smear campaign are you talking about the bills he supported to ban birth control and his support of mandating ultrasounds for women?

Serious questions. What did those bills actually say? And how vocal was his support of them?

Here in Texas, we don't get much detail in coverage of Virginia politics, and what we have gotten is kind of all over the map.

But regardless, my point is that if you want to win elections, you can't touch those issues with a ten-foot pole. Just stay the heck away from them.
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Libertarians get 3% because of resources, not issues.

Agree on media mischaracterization. So don't say anything about those things. As long as the religious right holds onto its "my way or the highway" attitude, the socialists/communists will win because they are willing to compromise to get votes. And you can't do anything without winning elections.
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(11-04-2013 09:51 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  You are leaving out one major component: the media and its ability to make you think social conservatism is dying. This is not youth gone wild.

Not leaving it out. I'm saying it's a fact of life, so live with it. Be smart. Or maybe shrewd is a better word.

Quote:Obamacare was just the tip. Obamacare also exposed many of the problems surrounding democrats. Obamacare has rippling affects. It will be about a crumbling society, rising costs and a lying administration. The Republicans can and will win elections without abandoning their social views. They could not win elections without them...hence the libertarians garnering 3% or the electorate running on drug wars and military spending.

Look at my math. Feel free to adjust my numbers if you think they're off a bit. Where do the republicans get 52% of the vote?

If republicans could win on social issues, why is McAuliffe pushing them so hard here? Why did George Stephanopoulos ask Mitt about contraception?
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Mach, there is no doubt in my mind that if all adults voted, the GOP would never win an election;


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THIS: So the answer isn't trying to make life better for these people. An effective government. It's doing what we can on that day to vote to make them climb a little higher. Jump a little farther. I live in a well to do area. We have 24 voting booths in my precinct. It has never, NEVER taken me more than 3 minutes to vote. If we spent the time in minority areas to insure the same, I would tend to agree with you more. It's obvious to me that the GOP tries to make it harder for the base of the Democrats.
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(11-04-2013 09:51 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 09:47 AM)dcCid Wrote:  By smear campaign are you talking about the bills he supported to ban birth control and his support of mandating ultrasounds for women?

Serious questions. What did those bills actually say? And how vocal was his support of them?

Here in Texas, we don't get much detail in coverage of Virginia politics, and what we have gotten is kind of all over the map.

But regardless, my point is that if you want to win elections, you can't touch those issues with a ten-foot pole. Just stay the heck away from them.

he birth control ban was a while ago when he was a delegate or senator in Richmond. He was one of the cosponsors, but never got out of committee. He was AG when the bill requiring ultrasounds for any women thinking about an abortion, but was a vocal supporter of it. The Bill passed. It either filed in the senate or Mcconnell did a pocket veto since he was considered a potential VP candidate last year.

His problem is that he has made a career on social issues, said it was illegal for state colleges to have their own policies not to discriminate against gays, and is against laws protecting women from being able to claim spousal abuse. Among other things. He has made a career as a social conservative and running on social issues.
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(11-04-2013 10:03 AM)dcCid Wrote:  The birth control ban was a while ago when he was a delegate or senator in Richmond. He was one of the cosponsors, but never got out of committee. He was AG when the bill requiring ultrasounds for any women thinking about an abortion, but was a vocal supporter of it. The Bill passed. It either filed in the senate or Mcconnell did a pocket veto since he was considered a potential VP candidate last year.

His problem is that he has made a career on social issues, said it was illegal for state colleges to have their own policies not to discriminate against gays, and is against laws protecting women from being able to claim spousal abuse. Among other things. He has made a career as a social conservative and running on social issues.

So, somebody from the other side, is this accurate?
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(11-04-2013 09:00 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Mach, there is no doubt in my mind that if all adults voted, the GOP would never win an election; however, some just don't belong voting. This includes anyone who can neither vote on election day nor initiate an absentee ballot request process. It also includes anyone who can be bribed for their vote with a pack of cigarettes or a 40 ounce bottle of malt liquor. Sorry, I'm not interested in giving the slum salesmen more than election day itself to turn out the ignorant, the dead, the illegal, and the uninformed. They don't belong being a part of the process.

Virginia does not have early voting. The can do in person absentee voting at the registrars office if they have a reason for not being able to vote on election day. A couple of years ago they added a long commute or long work day as a valid reason.

Many people have long commutes, children and many reasons why they may not make it to the polls on election day. Requesting an absentee ballot takes time also, but they have to be requesting far ahead of time.

Cigarettes are cheap in VA (that is where I buy mine) so a pack of smokes may not work there.
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(11-03-2013 07:23 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  Tom has proven repeatably that knows nothing of VA politics.

Who's going to be Hilary's running mate when McAuliffe loses? Hehe.

Michelle Obama will be her running mate in 2016
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(11-04-2013 10:00 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 09:51 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  You are leaving out one major component: the media and its ability to make you think social conservatism is dying. This is not youth gone wild.

Not leaving it out. I'm saying it's a fact of life, so live with it. Be smart. Or maybe shrewd is a better word.

Quote:Obamacare was just the tip. Obamacare also exposed many of the problems surrounding democrats. Obamacare has rippling affects. It will be about a crumbling society, rising costs and a lying administration. The Republicans can and will win elections without abandoning their social views. They could not win elections without them...hence the libertarians garnering 3% or the electorate running on drug wars and military spending.

Look at my math. Feel free to adjust my numbers if you think they're off a bit. Where do the republicans get 52% of the vote?

If republicans could win on social issues, why is McAuliffe pushing them so hard here? Why did George Stephanopoulos ask Mitt about contraception?

The VA situation has to do with campaign dollars not demographics. It's swing voters who decide elections. Where the GOP is lacking is communication and teeth. The majority of the electorate on a national level leans right regarding social issues. They could not win elections without that component.

Your math only works with straight party voting. For instance, my state has more registered democrats than republicans. All 77 counties belong to the GOP. Your math is too cut and dry.
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That's the fallacy of Owl's argument. I could see his part if the social cons ran on it in the primary and ignored it in the general and THEN IGNORED IT while governing. They don't do that. They push their agenda with things like the heart beat bill. The closing down of clinics. It's all by design. Unfortunately for OWL the communists care more about women's health issues than the social conservatives that drive the GOP.
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(11-04-2013 09:45 AM)dcCid Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 09:10 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  If Cuccinelli was so terrible, would Rand Paul & Ron Paul be campaigning for him?

Think about that for a minute.

You would think they would be campaigning for Sarvis - the libertarian.


Sarvis is a democrat (Clinton campaign manager). Support Obamacare thru Medicare expansion like Terrence. None of the major VA Libertarians support him... only low info voters. I think Sarvis is a McAuliffe plant.

(11-04-2013 09:46 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  OK, let's do the math. You have 20-25% who want abortion and gay marriage outlawed. You have 20-25% who want a socialist/communist nanny state. You have 50-60% who don't want a socialist/communist nanny state, and don't want abortion and gay marriage outlawed.

Gay marriage is not the law in VA. Less than 75-80% want to change the law so your math is flawed.



(11-04-2013 10:05 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 10:03 AM)dcCid Wrote:  he birth control ban was a while ago when he was a delegate or senator in Richmond. He was one of the cosponsors, but never got out of committee. He was AG when the bill requiring ultrasounds for any women thinking about an abortion, but was a vocal supporter of it. The Bill passed. It either filed in the senate or Mcconnell did a pocket veto since he was considered a potential VP candidate last year.

So, somebody from the other side, is this true?

Dude doesn't even know the Governor's name (McDonnell). His blathering is incorrect.

The only thing the "transvaginal" bill did was require women see an actual doctor before getting an abortion. Wow, how terrible! Why the Conservatives haven't turned this around to "Democrats don't want women to have safe abortions" is beyond me.
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(11-03-2013 09:53 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think states should start enacting laws stating that you cannot run for governor unless you were born in that particular state.

Our current gov was not born in VA. I do not think George Allen or Mark Warner was either - or Tim Kane
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For instance, my state has more registered democrats than republicans. All 77 counties belong to the GOP.

That's telling me the D's have a problem with messaging and teeth or the Republicans have gerrymandered their advantage.
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(11-04-2013 10:12 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It's swing voters who decide elections.

And you're not going to get them appealing to your base. And you're not going to do anything if you don't win elections.
D's understand it and have trained their base to bite their tongues while they do what they have to do to win elections. The religious right doesn't understand this, and the country will keep drifting left until they do.
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(11-04-2013 10:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(11-04-2013 10:12 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It's swing voters who decide elections.

And you're not going to get them appealing to your base. And you're not going to do anything if you don't win elections.
D's understand it and have trained their base to bite their tongues while they do what they have to do to win elections. The religious right doesn't understand this, and the country will keep drifting left until they do.

our base isn't the only people concerned with social issues. That's the point.
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