I guess they didn't want to be in Boise back in 2010 either....

These people need to understand that we are 7-0...after a season that we ended 12-2 after a BCS game. Before that BCS game the reason we shouldn't be there was that we lost to Iowa. Well, we beat a better Iowa team this year on the road. So...they can't use that one anymore. Next reason up: Now the reason we don't belong is that we lost by a lesser margin to Florida State in the OB than #3 Clemson did last week. The same Florida State team that had how many players drafted in the NFL, and even after losing those players are undefeated this season and in the hunt for a NC? The players you're seeing on Florida State right now were last year's BACKUPS! My point is, Florida State is a damn damn damn good team. They are this year, they were last year. For us to hang with them until into the 4th quarter on one of the biggest stages in football while Fresno State was wetting the bed in Hawaii to a .500 SMU team being the reason that FS deserves a BCS game this year is just plain stupid.

(10-25-2013 01:25 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 01:18 PM)DeadMoney16 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 01:12 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 11:07 AM)NIU8484 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 11:02 AM)RedandBlackAttack Wrote:  What are they saying!?

Laurance asked if Teddy had a spot for Lynch on the ballot, Teddy said they get only 3 votes so not this year....said Jordan sorta burned him in the Orange Bowl Last year...said he thinks Jordan's an amazing college player but just so many options this year....

Then Laurence asked when he's going to get out of Champagne and Evanston and make a trip out to DeKalb and see the team in Illinois with BCS chances....Teddy brought up last year's game as a reason why NIU won't/shouldn't be back in the BCS....Then Laurence noted how you have FSU blowing out Clemson and Maryland vs. NIU hanging tough for 3 qtrs.

Then Teddy said NIU is a great team but if they were in the big ten they'd be the 5th best team, which isn't a knock given 10 years ago people would have laughed if you said that...asked Laurence if he thought NIU could take down Wisconsin on a neutral field, Laurence said he thinks they would have a 50/50 chance....

This is why NIU hasn't gotten a lot of the respect with regards to the writers this year compared to Fresno and why we see more writers banking on Fresno in the BCS picture over us IMO.

So our 31-10 loss in the Orange Bowl to FSU is hurting us, while their 43-10 loss in the Hawaii Bowl to SMU is being ignored? Have to love this system.

A FS fan made the same point to me about our loss in the OB as reason why we aren't getting in over them. When I brought up their Hawaii bowl game, he said that there were a ton of distractions after spending 2 weeks in Hawaii and that the team didn't want to be there anyways.

My response: OK. Well, if you guys had to deal with distractions, totally understandable. Hawaii does tend to suck in December.

The fact that there are people who actually believe this is insane. Especially the ones who cover college football for a living. I could see the meat headed mouth breathing fan boy thinking like this...but come on.

Luckily, there were no distractions on South Beach last New Year's Eve, or we would have made a bad impression.

(10-25-2013 12:46 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 11:32 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 11:29 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Why do they always make comparisons based on us playing on the road or at best a "neutral field"?

Because a neutral field game should determine the best team with no home field advantage for either team...it's just a way of asking "which team do you think is better on the field, with no other factors being involved"

Props to Laurence Holmes. He is a big-time supporter of NIU football!

We need to let Laurence know we appreciate it!

Laurence has made quite a switch from a few years ago, I heard that segment today and that was good to hear. He actually persisted with NIU talk when Teddy Greenstein tried to suppress it.

(10-25-2013 01:28 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  I guess they didn't want to be in Boise back in 2010 either....

They had everything goin' for them in that game and total s**t the bed. Every possible advantage you could think of, Fresno had and they still got their ass kicked!

(10-25-2013 02:14 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 01:28 PM)DiehardHuskie Wrote:  I guess they didn't want to be in Boise back in 2010 either....

They had everything goin' for them in that game and total s**t the bed. Every possible advantage you could think of, Fresno had and they still got their ass kicked!

Except for having a better team.

(10-25-2013 01:36 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  These people need to understand that we are 7-0...after a season that we ended 12-2 after a BCS game. Before that BCS game the reason we shouldn't be there was that we lost to Iowa. Well, we beat a better Iowa team this year on the road. So...they can't use that one anymore. Next reason up: Now the reason we don't belong is that we lost by a lesser margin to Florida State in the OB than #3 Clemson did last week. The same Florida State team that had how many players drafted in the NFL, and even after losing those players are undefeated this season and in the hunt for a NC? The players you're seeing on Florida State right now were last year's BACKUPS! My point is, Florida State is a damn damn damn good team. They are this year, they were last year. For us to hang with them until into the 4th quarter on one of the biggest stages in football while Fresno State was wetting the bed in Hawaii to a .500 SMU team being the reason that FS deserves a BCS game this year is just plain stupid.

Great post.

(10-25-2013 01:13 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 12:55 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 11:32 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 11:29 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Why do they always make comparisons based on us playing on the road or at best a "neutral field"?

Because a neutral field game should determine the best team with no home field advantage for either team...it's just a way of asking "which team do you think is better on the field, with no other factors being involved"

If you're talking about a bowl game I could see that, but a neutral site game at SF against Iowa with 90% Iowa fans is not really a neutral site.

Our fans had every opportunity to get the best seats for the SF games. Not Iowa or Wisconsin's fault that NIU fans don't show up for those games.

Well the point of a neutral field is to determine which is the better team, with no other factors involved. If it amounts to a home game for one team due to 90% of the fans, then you cannot determine that, regardless of the reason for fans attending or not attending. We're still 4-4 against the Big Whatever in the last 8 games and none of them were home games.

Why does everyone say NIU is 4-4 in their last 8? They're also 4-3 in their last 7. Why make the cutoff 8 and include the opening 2009 Wisky loss? Because it's a nice round number? I mean if you're going to fix the parameters to put NIU in a favorable light, you might as well pick the best light.

Teddy Greenstein has made a career out of B1G **** riding.

(10-25-2013 03:50 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Why does everyone say NIU is 4-4 in their last 8? They're also 4-3 in their last 7. Why make the cutoff 8 and include the opening 2009 Wisky loss? Because it's a nice round number? I mean if you're going to fix the parameters to put NIU in a favorable light, you might as well pick the best light.

Teddy Greenstein has made a career out of B1G **** riding.

If we go farther back the record looks worse. 4-4 is fine with all games on the road. It's arbitrary wherever you cut off.

(10-25-2013 02:27 PM)HuskieFootball Addict Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 01:36 PM)Who You Crappin? Wrote:  These people need to understand that we are 7-0...after a season that we ended 12-2 after a BCS game. Before that BCS game the reason we shouldn't be there was that we lost to Iowa. Well, we beat a better Iowa team this year on the road. So...they can't use that one anymore. Next reason up: Now the reason we don't belong is that we lost by a lesser margin to Florida State in the OB than #3 Clemson did last week. The same Florida State team that had how many players drafted in the NFL, and even after losing those players are undefeated this season and in the hunt for a NC? The players you're seeing on Florida State right now were last year's BACKUPS! My point is, Florida State is a damn damn damn good team. They are this year, they were last year. For us to hang with them until into the 4th quarter on one of the biggest stages in football while Fresno State was wetting the bed in Hawaii to a .500 SMU team being the reason that FS deserves a BCS game this year is just plain stupid.

Great post.

And Clemson is still #10 after being completely shredded by FSU on both sides of the ball.

(10-25-2013 03:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 01:13 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 12:55 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 11:32 AM)armour248 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 11:29 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  Why do they always make comparisons based on us playing on the road or at best a "neutral field"?

Because a neutral field game should determine the best team with no home field advantage for either team...it's just a way of asking "which team do you think is better on the field, with no other factors being involved"

If you're talking about a bowl game I could see that, but a neutral site game at SF against Iowa with 90% Iowa fans is not really a neutral site.

Our fans had every opportunity to get the best seats for the SF games. Not Iowa or Wisconsin's fault that NIU fans don't show up for those games.

Well the point of a neutral field is to determine which is the better team, with no other factors involved. If it amounts to a home game for one team due to 90% of the fans, then you cannot determine that, regardless of the reason for fans attending or not attending. We're still 4-4 against the Big Whatever in the last 8 games and none of them were home games.

Let's see, Soldier Field is 67 miles from DeKalb and 226 miles from Iowa City. And, Iowa brings 4 or 5 times as many fans to Soldier Field.

So, how could we play a neutral site game against Iowa that would satisfy you? Would Sycamore High School work?

(10-25-2013 04:41 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 03:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 01:13 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 12:55 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 11:32 AM)armour248 Wrote:  Because a neutral field game should determine the best team with no home field advantage for either team...it's just a way of asking "which team do you think is better on the field, with no other factors being involved"

If you're talking about a bowl game I could see that, but a neutral site game at SF against Iowa with 90% Iowa fans is not really a neutral site.

Our fans had every opportunity to get the best seats for the SF games. Not Iowa or Wisconsin's fault that NIU fans don't show up for those games.

Well the point of a neutral field is to determine which is the better team, with no other factors involved. If it amounts to a home game for one team due to 90% of the fans, then you cannot determine that, regardless of the reason for fans attending or not attending. We're still 4-4 against the Big Whatever in the last 8 games and none of them were home games.

Let's see, Soldier Field is 67 miles from DeKalb and 226 miles from Iowa City. And, Iowa brings 4 or 5 times as many fans to Soldier Field.

So, how could we play a neutral site game against Iowa that would satisfy you? Would Sycamore High School work?

We probably couldn't.

Back to the topic though, I glad Holmes is supporting us like this. Somebody has to.

(10-25-2013 06:36 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 04:41 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 03:32 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 01:13 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 12:55 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  If you're talking about a bowl game I could see that, but a neutral site game at SF against Iowa with 90% Iowa fans is not really a neutral site.

Our fans had every opportunity to get the best seats for the SF games. Not Iowa or Wisconsin's fault that NIU fans don't show up for those games.

Well the point of a neutral field is to determine which is the better team, with no other factors involved. If it amounts to a home game for one team due to 90% of the fans, then you cannot determine that, regardless of the reason for fans attending or not attending. We're still 4-4 against the Big Whatever in the last 8 games and none of them were home games.

Let's see, Soldier Field is 67 miles from DeKalb and 226 miles from Iowa City. And, Iowa brings 4 or 5 times as many fans to Soldier Field.

So, how could we play a neutral site game against Iowa that would satisfy you? Would Sycamore High School work?

We probably couldn't.

Back to the topic though, I glad Holmes is supporting us like this. Somebody has to.

How many other teams in country are being evaluated exclusively on the results of one game last year? NIU probably did have a better team last year, but I think its extremely unfair everyone dismisses this team because of a result of a game the year before.

(10-25-2013 07:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  How many other teams in country are being evaluated exclusively on the results of one game last year? NIU probably did have a better team last year, but I think its extremely unfair everyone dismisses this team because of a result of a game the year before.

You make a good point.

Listening to the interview today, it steamed me listening to Greenstein. I felt he was condescending and patronizing when Holmes brought up NIU and Lynch.

(10-25-2013 07:13 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 07:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  How many other teams in country are being evaluated exclusively on the results of one game last year? NIU probably did have a better team last year, but I think its extremely unfair everyone dismisses this team because of a result of a game the year before.

You make a good point.

Listening to the interview today, it steamed me listening to Greenstein. I felt he was condescending and patronizing when Holmes brought up NIU and Lynch.

Greenstein is a pompous ass. Journalists like him are why the Chicago Tribune is dying rapidly. He CANNOT report the news, he is trying to create the news...he puts his personal preference and fandom into his job as reporter. F him...he is clueless when it comes to college football.

(10-25-2013 07:27 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 07:13 PM)huskiebob Wrote:  

(10-25-2013 07:00 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  How many other teams in country are being evaluated exclusively on the results of one game last year? NIU probably did have a better team last year, but I think its extremely unfair everyone dismisses this team because of a result of a game the year before.

You make a good point.

Listening to the interview today, it steamed me listening to Greenstein. I felt he was condescending and patronizing when Holmes brought up NIU and Lynch.

Greenstein is a pompous ass. Journalists like him are why the Chicago Tribune is dying rapidly. He CANNOT report the news, he is trying to create the news...he puts his personal preference and fandom into his job as reporter. F him...he is clueless when it comes to college football.

And its not just Greenstein, the same argument was made by the CBS sports panel at halftime last week, and Ive seen that referenced online many times too. It is a new year, and I don't get judging the Huskies based on the FSU game. Florida should have been then evaluated by getting pasted on Louisville.

By the same type of thinking a team should not even be considered for a top 25 ranking if they lose to a team from the FCS, Oregon State, but yet they are in the top 25. There isn't great consistency in the rankings, thats what bothers me.

(10-25-2013 10:17 PM)HuskiePride12 Wrote:  By the same type of thinking a team should not even be considered for a top 25 ranking if they lose to a team from the FCS, Oregon State, but yet they are in the top 25. There isn't great consistency in the rankings, thats what bothers me.

Overall, this is the worst year of human rankings I can ever remember. Very erratic and obvious non-responsible voting patterns in place.

Below is a podcast link to the Holmes/Greenstein sparring about the Huskies and Jordan Lynch. Scroll down to "Teddy Greenstein on the McNeil & Spiegel Show, 10/25/13." The Huskies talk starts at the 1:40 mark.

Link