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RE: OSU School Paper, "B12 Should Invite Houston and Louisville"
(10-25-2013 12:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Simply no way the 4 Texas schools vote for more recruiting competition for themselves.

"Hey! Why go all the way to Waco or Lubbock when you can play all the exact same teams you'd play there but at home where momma can watch you!"

They know UH is ready and waiting with that line and so are they with a "no" vote

Only way it happens is if UT (and probably Tech with them) leave

That logic did not stop the SWC from taking in Houston and I do not believe it will stop the Big12. Besides, Houston already has a team that players can stay home and play before Momma.

I would think A&M fans like yourself would hate to see Houston in the Big12.
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(10-25-2013 06:00 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 03:41 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The cutoff was 30K back in the 1970s. It may still be the standard, unless the NCAA did away with it. But if it is, it's not enforced...
I think you are talking about stadium capacity not attendance.
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The attendance cutoff for the CFA was 15,000 and I think it technically still exists but it was never enforced.

There was sort of an unwritten rule that a stadium had to seat 30,000 minimum but it in no way was it ever even considered to be enforced
It was 30K stadium size. Although I think they should make it attendance average now (and up it to 40K - butts in the seats, and not tickets sold). But it's never been enforced. If it were, many of these new FBS upgrades wouldn't qualify, and neither would a few others that have been in the club for a long time...
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RE: OSU School Paper, "B12 Should Invite Houston and Louisville"
(10-25-2013 06:07 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 12:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Simply no way the 4 Texas schools vote for more recruiting competition for themselves.

"Hey! Why go all the way to Waco or Lubbock when you can play all the exact same teams you'd play there but at home where momma can watch you!"

They know UH is ready and waiting with that line and so are they with a "no" vote

Only way it happens is if UT (and probably Tech with them) leave

That logic did not stop the SWC from taking in Houston and I do not believe it will stop the Big12. Besides, Houston already has a team that players can stay home and play before Momma.

I would think A&M fans like yourself would hate to see Houston in the Big12.

The SWC was an entirely different dynamic and a failed one at that so repeating it wouldn't be a smart strategy.

The other Texas B12 schools aren't going to empower Houston with the money and exposure the coogs need to start taking away recruits from them...especially when none of them truly believe the B12 is in danger of losing the Houston market.

They are becoming the 1B choice instead of 1A but I can safely say they won't choose losing recruits to ensure they can claim 1A status
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RE: OSU School Paper, "B12 Should Invite Houston and Louisville"
(10-25-2013 06:51 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 06:07 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 12:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Simply no way the 4 Texas schools vote for more recruiting competition for themselves.

"Hey! Why go all the way to Waco or Lubbock when you can play all the exact same teams you'd play there but at home where momma can watch you!"

They know UH is ready and waiting with that line and so are they with a "no" vote

Only way it happens is if UT (and probably Tech with them) leave

That logic did not stop the SWC from taking in Houston and I do not believe it will stop the Big12. Besides, Houston already has a team that players can stay home and play before Momma.

I would think A&M fans like yourself would hate to see Houston in the Big12.

The SWC was an entirely different dynamic and a failed one at that so repeating it wouldn't be a smart strategy.

The other Texas B12 schools aren't going to empower Houston with the money and exposure the coogs need to start taking away recruits from them...especially when none of them truly believe the B12 is in danger of losing the Houston market.

They are becoming the 1B choice instead of 1A but I can safely say they won't choose losing recruits to ensure they can claim 1A status

Houston helped the SWC, so they were not the reason the SWC failed. How do you know none of them TRULY believe the Big12 is in danger of losing the Houston market? Why do you think OSU scheduled a neutral site in Houston.

Also, it is possible the other schools will take recruits away from Houston, especially the old Big 8 schools.

You can safely say anything you want, but that does not mean it will happen.

Like I said, I understand where you are coming from. If I was and A&M fan I would not want Houston in the Big12. Houston in the Big12 might start taking recruits away from A&M rather than taking recruits from the other Big12 schools.
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RE: OSU School Paper, "B12 Should Invite Houston and Louisville"
(10-25-2013 06:00 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  The attendance cutoff for the CFA was 15,000 and I think it technically still exists but it was never enforced.
Its enforced, but its ticket sales, not people in seats, so if a school can get 3,000 to show up and get some combination of backers buying blocks of tickets and getting students to pick up tickets "paid for" by a mandatory activities fee that adds up to 12,000, they hit the target.

15,000 people in seats paid attendance average over a three year period would winnow out at least one school in the MAC, and hit the budgets of a number as they have to subsidize "paid attendance" (free transport, free snack and a beverage, free WiFi, etc.)
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The SWC failed because everybody was cheating.
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(10-25-2013 06:14 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 06:00 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 03:41 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The cutoff was 30K back in the 1970s. It may still be the standard, unless the NCAA did away with it. But if it is, it's not enforced...
I think you are talking about stadium capacity not attendance.
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The attendance cutoff for the CFA was 15,000 and I think it technically still exists but it was never enforced.

There was sort of an unwritten rule that a stadium had to seat 30,000 minimum but it in no way was it ever even considered to be enforced
It was 30K stadium size. Although I think they should make it attendance average now (and up it to 40K - butts in the seats, and not tickets sold). But it's never been enforced. If it were, many of these new FBS upgrades wouldn't qualify, and neither would a few others that have been in the club for a long time...

The 30k stadium size was the rule and it was enforced. Its just that there were alternative ways to stay in if you were already there. You've seen a few schools downsizing since they eliminated that.
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(10-26-2013 02:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 06:14 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 06:00 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 03:41 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The cutoff was 30K back in the 1970s. It may still be the standard, unless the NCAA did away with it. But if it is, it's not enforced...
I think you are talking about stadium capacity not attendance.
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The attendance cutoff for the CFA was 15,000 and I think it technically still exists but it was never enforced.

There was sort of an unwritten rule that a stadium had to seat 30,000 minimum but it in no way was it ever even considered to be enforced
It was 30K stadium size. Although I think they should make it attendance average now (and up it to 40K - butts in the seats, and not tickets sold). But it's never been enforced. If it were, many of these new FBS upgrades wouldn't qualify, and neither would a few others that have been in the club for a long time...
The 30k stadium size was the rule and it was enforced. Its just that there were alternative ways to stay in if you were already there. You've seen a few schools downsizing since they eliminated that.
IMO they should up the stadium size - and enforce it...
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(10-25-2013 10:14 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 06:51 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 06:07 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 12:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Simply no way the 4 Texas schools vote for more recruiting competition for themselves.

"Hey! Why go all the way to Waco or Lubbock when you can play all the exact same teams you'd play there but at home where momma can watch you!"

They know UH is ready and waiting with that line and so are they with a "no" vote

Only way it happens is if UT (and probably Tech with them) leave

That logic did not stop the SWC from taking in Houston and I do not believe it will stop the Big12. Besides, Houston already has a team that players can stay home and play before Momma.

I would think A&M fans like yourself would hate to see Houston in the Big12.

The SWC was an entirely different dynamic and a failed one at that so repeating it wouldn't be a smart strategy.

The other Texas B12 schools aren't going to empower Houston with the money and exposure the coogs need to start taking away recruits from them...especially when none of them truly believe the B12 is in danger of losing the Houston market.

They are becoming the 1B choice instead of 1A but I can safely say they won't choose losing recruits to ensure they can claim 1A status

Houston helped the SWC, so they were not the reason the SWC failed. How do you know none of them TRULY believe the Big12 is in danger of losing the Houston market? Why do you think OSU scheduled a neutral site in Houston.

Also, it is possible the other schools will take recruits away from Houston, especially the old Big 8 schools.

You can safely say anything you want, but that does not mean it will happen.

Like I said, I understand where you are coming from. If I was and A&M fan I would not want Houston in the Big12. Houston in the Big12 might start taking recruits away from A&M rather than taking recruits from the other Big12 schools.

Yes, they'll steal our recruits but not those at Baylor, TTU, UT and TCU...that's really a legitimate worry of ours but not theirs. 03-lmfao

Just not gonna happen. They don't add to the footprint or the cashflow but will steal recruits from the B12 TX teams. Like I said, there's no logic to the 4 TX teams voting for UH
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(10-26-2013 02:42 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 10:14 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 06:51 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 06:07 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  
(10-25-2013 12:30 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Simply no way the 4 Texas schools vote for more recruiting competition for themselves.

"Hey! Why go all the way to Waco or Lubbock when you can play all the exact same teams you'd play there but at home where momma can watch you!"

They know UH is ready and waiting with that line and so are they with a "no" vote

Only way it happens is if UT (and probably Tech with them) leave

That logic did not stop the SWC from taking in Houston and I do not believe it will stop the Big12. Besides, Houston already has a team that players can stay home and play before Momma.

I would think A&M fans like yourself would hate to see Houston in the Big12.

The SWC was an entirely different dynamic and a failed one at that so repeating it wouldn't be a smart strategy.

The other Texas B12 schools aren't going to empower Houston with the money and exposure the coogs need to start taking away recruits from them...especially when none of them truly believe the B12 is in danger of losing the Houston market.

They are becoming the 1B choice instead of 1A but I can safely say they won't choose losing recruits to ensure they can claim 1A status

Houston helped the SWC, so they were not the reason the SWC failed. How do you know none of them TRULY believe the Big12 is in danger of losing the Houston market? Why do you think OSU scheduled a neutral site in Houston.

Also, it is possible the other schools will take recruits away from Houston, especially the old Big 8 schools.

You can safely say anything you want, but that does not mean it will happen.

Like I said, I understand where you are coming from. If I was and A&M fan I would not want Houston in the Big12. Houston in the Big12 might start taking recruits away from A&M rather than taking recruits from the other Big12 schools.

Yes, they'll steal our recruits but not those at Baylor, TTU, UT and TCU...that's really a legitimate worry of ours but not theirs. 03-lmfao

Just not gonna happen. They don't add to the footprint or the cashflow but will steal recruits from the B12 TX teams. Like I said, there's no logic to the 4 TX teams voting for UH


I do not believe Houston would steal a lot of recruits fron any Big12 team or A&M....that was your prognosis. However, I do not see how you think Houston would steal recruits from UT and TTU and not A&M.

Your opinion, and that is all it is, is that it is not going to happen..... and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But so am I.

My opinion is that at some point the Big12 will realize the inroads the SEC is making in the Houston area with the media and recruiting.

I do not look for the Big12 to expand at all for several years and maybe not even then, who knows. But I go back to my original position.... that IF the Big12 decides to expand ...... I look for them to add BYU and Houston.

It appears they do not have any real good options available to them. I agree with you on one thing, and that is Houston will not add to the cash flow, but with the possible exception of BYU, neither will any of the other available candidates.
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