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RE: Mid Major top 25
(10-22-2013 01:48 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 01:35 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  Is that the one credit generated by the MAC each year? I assume a similar arrangement exists on the football side. If that is the case, then the teams not carrying their weight in either sport should probably "watch out"...

You assume wrong. This is only for basketball.

Every football school is going to get the 1 million dollar guarantee from the CFP. Then with the academic money for making the APR target its another 300,000. Each MAC school at a minimum is looking at 1.3 million.

After that there is a substantial bonus pool to be split among the schools representing the MAC in the post season. Each MAC school playing in a bowl game has already been paid 400,000 from the league office for travel expenses. The remaining money split 5-6 ways could be very substantial.
10-22-2013 03:05 PM
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RE: Mid Major top 25
(10-22-2013 03:05 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 01:48 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 01:35 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  Is that the one credit generated by the MAC each year? I assume a similar arrangement exists on the football side. If that is the case, then the teams not carrying their weight in either sport should probably "watch out"...

You assume wrong. This is only for basketball.

Every football school is going to get the 1 million dollar guarantee from the CFP. Then with the academic money for making the APR target its another 300,000. Each MAC school at a minimum is looking at 1.3 million.

After that there is a substantial bonus pool to be split among the schools representing the MAC in the post season. Each MAC school playing in a bowl game has already been paid 400,000 from the league office for travel expenses. The remaining money split 5-6 ways could be very substantial.

Thought so. Thanks for clarifying.
10-22-2013 03:23 PM
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RE: Mid Major top 25
(10-22-2013 03:04 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 01:48 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 01:35 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  Is that the one credit generated by the MAC each year? I assume a similar arrangement exists on the football side. If that is the case, then the teams not carrying their weight in either sport should probably "watch out"...

You assume wrong. This is only for basketball.

I thought Kitton was talking one here at one point about about how football has tiered distribution as well based on making bowls etc. Perhaps that was just wishful thinking. I would assume though NIU got a bigger cut of the Orange Bowl money and I don't think anyone else in this league was complaining about the $500K or so additional funds sent their way as a result.

The way it works in a G5 conference is that 1/2 of the BCS bowl money goes to the conference and the other 1/2 to the team. That is why NIU was able to put in so many facility upgrades in the off season.....BCS bowl money.

In football there is 4 components to the CFP payout:

1) The guranteed 12 million for each G5 conference
2) Each FBS school hitting APR targets earns 300,000
3) The 6 million that goes to a conference playing in an access bowl
4) Conference bonus pool that can range from 3 to 15 million.

MAC schools participating in bowls will get paid 400-500k by the league for expenses. That system is already in place. The bonus pool money I see being divided into shares for the schools participating in bowl games with a double share for a school that wins its bowl.

That is why its in the best interest for schools like NIU, Toledo, BG and Ohio to not push for expansion and dilute the shares. Keep the bonus pool money tightly held.
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(10-22-2013 03:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 03:04 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 01:48 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 01:35 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  Is that the one credit generated by the MAC each year? I assume a similar arrangement exists on the football side. If that is the case, then the teams not carrying their weight in either sport should probably "watch out"...

You assume wrong. This is only for basketball.

I thought Kitton was talking one here at one point about about how football has tiered distribution as well based on making bowls etc. Perhaps that was just wishful thinking. I would assume though NIU got a bigger cut of the Orange Bowl money and I don't think anyone else in this league was complaining about the $500K or so additional funds sent their way as a result.

The way it works in a G5 conference is that 1/2 of the BCS bowl money goes to the conference and the other 1/2 to the team. That is why NIU was able to put in so many facility upgrades in the off season.....BCS bowl money.

In football there is 4 components to the CFP payout:

1) The guranteed 12 million for each G5 conference
2) Each FBS school hitting APR targets earns 300,000
3) The 6 million that goes to a conference playing in an access bowl
4) Conference bonus pool that can range from 3 to 15 million.

MAC schools participating in bowls will get paid 400-500k by the league for expenses. That system is already in place. The bonus pool money I see being divided into shares for the schools participating in bowl games with a double share for a school that wins its bowl.

That is why its in the best interest for schools like NIU, Toledo, BG and Ohio to not push for expansion and dilute the shares. Keep the bonus pool money tightly held.

What are you talking about?
10-22-2013 07:03 PM
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(10-22-2013 11:04 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 10:40 AM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  Does any of this really matter? Chances are the MAC is a one bid league yet again this season. Wake me up when we the next Gonzaga is in the MAC and a second bid is within reach.

It's not the lack of Gonzaga's (how fun is that to say) holding us back it's the NIU's and other annually sub250 RPI teams killing the Akron's/Ohio's and Kent's..

PHEW its good Buffalo was only 225 last year 01-ncaabbs
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Seems very odd that the A10 and CUSA are not included while the West Coast and Missouri Valley are along with the MAC, CAA etc.
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RE: Mid Major top 25
(10-22-2013 07:03 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 03:25 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 03:04 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 01:48 PM)uakronkid Wrote:  
(10-22-2013 01:35 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  Is that the one credit generated by the MAC each year? I assume a similar arrangement exists on the football side. If that is the case, then the teams not carrying their weight in either sport should probably "watch out"...

You assume wrong. This is only for basketball.

I thought Kitton was talking one here at one point about about how football has tiered distribution as well based on making bowls etc. Perhaps that was just wishful thinking. I would assume though NIU got a bigger cut of the Orange Bowl money and I don't think anyone else in this league was complaining about the $500K or so additional funds sent their way as a result.

The way it works in a G5 conference is that 1/2 of the BCS bowl money goes to the conference and the other 1/2 to the team. That is why NIU was able to put in so many facility upgrades in the off season.....BCS bowl money.

In football there is 4 components to the CFP payout:

1) The guranteed 12 million for each G5 conference
2) Each FBS school hitting APR targets earns 300,000
3) The 6 million that goes to a conference playing in an access bowl
4) Conference bonus pool that can range from 3 to 15 million.

MAC schools participating in bowls will get paid 400-500k by the league for expenses. That system is already in place. The bonus pool money I see being divided into shares for the schools participating in bowl games with a double share for a school that wins its bowl.

That is why its in the best interest for schools like NIU, Toledo, BG and Ohio to not push for expansion and dilute the shares. Keep the bonus pool money tightly held.

What are you talking about?

A whole lot of envy on this board. 20 conference wins in a row will do that.
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RE: Mid Major top 25
(10-22-2013 07:57 PM)Steve1981 Wrote:  Seems very odd that the A10 and CUSA are not included while the West Coast and Missouri Valley are along with the MAC, CAA etc.

Those conferences along with the Mountain West always instruct any service that comes up with a rating or ranking labelled "mid-major" to leave them out, on the theory that it hurts the conference's branding. They also refuse to participate in Bracketbusters, and only CUSA accepts bids to the CIT.

The WCC and MVC do not have these policies. The pros and cons of the two approaches can obviously be debated.
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the A10 has been a major basketball conference for a while. they get 3-5 bids, send teams to the round of 8 or 16 and compete evenly against whoever non-conf for the most part.

wcc is a unique conf in that it is mostly small private schools but plays at a fairly high level. it has a national power in Gonzaga but also a mediocre bottom half of league most yrs.

the valley has been a big time league in a lot of ways for basketball. it's programs are fairly well funded. it has large arenas that tend to fill in and it performs very well in the tourney. it is still made up of mostly ordinary mid sized Midwest state schools (kinda like the mac) and plays at a lower level in other sports. it prob will never be seen as a big time league but the game play and atmosphere rival the name conferences.

the mac peaked a bit in the 70s-90s and has struggled a little along w the economy in recent years. however, the mac is situated in and around that ohio-mich-indiana-chicago hoops belt that consistently produces as muny good ballers as any region per capita. mac teams with a half decent staff and a little stability have solid talent and the league is never far from that A10, Valley, WCC level. it just doesn't have enough consistently really good programs to quite get over the hump.
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