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RE: MAC Attendance- Through Week 8
No reason to push to 40 K until we sustain 25K for a while..

Want to know why UB Stadium is so awfully put together?

MAC Capacity conditions for joining the conference. the Bleachers that are ten miles away were put their to join.

If Buffalo could be drawing 40K we would just start using the Ralph. If the Bills do get a stadium in the next 5-10 years it will be downtown on the lake and UB could use that because it will have a light rail from the stadium to UB's main street campus.

I'd rather see UB spend their effort fixing UB stadium in small ways (like the east club and putting a field house in the North Endzone..) and improving the infrastructure for other programs...
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(10-19-2013 09:57 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Buffalo's number was sold by a long shot... The weather chased people away. I'd be surprised if there was 12K there..

Totally agree. I was there and the place was pretty darn empty. It was pouring out.
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(10-21-2013 07:42 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  
(10-19-2013 09:57 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Buffalo's number was sold by a long shot... The weather chased people away. I'd be surprised if there was 12K there..

Totally agree. I was there and the place was pretty darn empty. It was pouring out.

Most of the year i feel like UB's attendance was being reported accurately. Saturday it was just pouring sheets of rain and dark. Lots of people who had tickets decided to sit this one out.
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(10-21-2013 08:47 AM)zrb2 Wrote:  
(10-21-2013 07:42 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  
(10-19-2013 09:57 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Buffalo's number was sold by a long shot... The weather chased people away. I'd be surprised if there was 12K there..

Totally agree. I was there and the place was pretty darn empty. It was pouring out.

Most of the year i feel like UB's attendance was being reported accurately. Saturday it was just pouring sheets of rain and dark. Lots of people who had tickets decided to sit this one out.

Yea the attendance I think has probably been within 15-20% of reported until yesterday.

White's goal this year was 100K and I don't think he is going to let hte weather stop him so he reports ticket sales. In erms of sales UB is at about 87K with two games left.

One is a weeknight game against OU and the other is the Black friday game at the Ralph...

If UB beats Kent I could see hem drawing 15K for the OU game and hitting whites mark.
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Toledo had less than the WMU game but reported over 1k more. Still had a decent turnout for high 40's and rain, but closer to 14k IMO. Students sat it out for the most part. Navy brought a good amount helping our number. Toledo needs a win vs. BG to keep climbing and staying above the MAC average.

EMU- Saturday 7pm (19k)
BUFFALO- midweek 7pm (18k)
NIU- midweek 8pm, for possible MAC WEST Title game, Power of pink, and senior night. (21k)
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14k for a Saturday game is awful
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(10-21-2013 10:55 AM)7 Wrote:  14k for a Saturday game is awful

This was the worst schedule for attendance in recent history. But the good news is Toledo has a BCS team at home, renovations, and BG at home next season to become a MAC leader in attendance just like the past 3 seasons.
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(10-20-2013 08:56 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-20-2013 09:14 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The average MAC attendance without EMU is 19,227 instead of 18,460. The 3k is a black eye on the MAC, but is an 800 difference in attendance average really enough to throw them to the wolves? Either way, the P5 thinks of us as a joke and the G5 isn't much different than us. Once Louisville and Rutgers leave, the AAC won't be head and shoulders above everyone else, while our numbers this year are on par with the MWC, C-USA, and Belt. The only thing EMU does is to allow fans of those other teams to talk attendance smack because they assume that we all draw crowds in the EMU/weeknight game range. That obviously isn't true, and we have facts to back us up.

What the league could use is a few programs doing the opposite of the typical 20,000 G5 number and start drawing in the 35k-40k range.

The heat should be on Ohio, NIU, Buffalo to push their stadiums to 40k and start posting high ticket sold numbers.

You guys got the memo and ignored it. Attendance doesn't matter at this level. Only the resident MAC navel gazers give a rip about it. It's like porn to you guys - you just have to keep talking about it and looking at it. Sure, we all would love to have record crowds but as of now, that is a fantasy. Yet you guys pursue it and talk about stuff that hasn't happened as if it were fact.
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(10-21-2013 10:16 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Toledo had less than the WMU game but reported over 1k more. Still had a decent turnout for high 40's and rain, but closer to 14k IMO. Students sat it out for the most part. Navy brought a good amount helping our number. Toledo needs a win vs. BG to keep climbing and staying above the MAC average.

EMU- Saturday 7pm (19k)
BUFFALO- midweek 7pm (18k)
NIU- midweek 8pm, for possible MAC WEST Title game, Power of pink, and senior night. (21k)

I feel like there were more people at the Navy game than WMU. And definitely more than 14k. I was pleasantly surprised with the 18k in attendance considering the weather.
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(10-21-2013 01:12 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  
(10-20-2013 08:56 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-20-2013 09:14 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The average MAC attendance without EMU is 19,227 instead of 18,460. The 3k is a black eye on the MAC, but is an 800 difference in attendance average really enough to throw them to the wolves? Either way, the P5 thinks of us as a joke and the G5 isn't much different than us. Once Louisville and Rutgers leave, the AAC won't be head and shoulders above everyone else, while our numbers this year are on par with the MWC, C-USA, and Belt. The only thing EMU does is to allow fans of those other teams to talk attendance smack because they assume that we all draw crowds in the EMU/weeknight game range. That obviously isn't true, and we have facts to back us up.

What the league could use is a few programs doing the opposite of the typical 20,000 G5 number and start drawing in the 35k-40k range.

The heat should be on Ohio, NIU, Buffalo to push their stadiums to 40k and start posting high ticket sold numbers.

You guys got the memo and ignored it. Attendance doesn't matter at this level. Only the resident MAC navel gazers give a rip about it. It's like porn to you guys - you just have to keep talking about it and looking at it. Sure, we all would love to have record crowds but as of now, that is a fantasy. Yet you guys pursue it and talk about stuff that hasn't happened as if it were fact.

Speak for yourself. Attendance at my school is on the way up and can go much higher.
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(10-21-2013 01:12 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  
(10-20-2013 08:56 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-20-2013 09:14 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The average MAC attendance without EMU is 19,227 instead of 18,460. The 3k is a black eye on the MAC, but is an 800 difference in attendance average really enough to throw them to the wolves? Either way, the P5 thinks of us as a joke and the G5 isn't much different than us. Once Louisville and Rutgers leave, the AAC won't be head and shoulders above everyone else, while our numbers this year are on par with the MWC, C-USA, and Belt. The only thing EMU does is to allow fans of those other teams to talk attendance smack because they assume that we all draw crowds in the EMU/weeknight game range. That obviously isn't true, and we have facts to back us up.

What the league could use is a few programs doing the opposite of the typical 20,000 G5 number and start drawing in the 35k-40k range.

The heat should be on Ohio, NIU, Buffalo to push their stadiums to 40k and start posting high ticket sold numbers.

You guys got the memo and ignored it. Attendance doesn't matter at this level. Only the resident MAC navel gazers give a rip about it. It's like porn to you guys - you just have to keep talking about it and looking at it. Sure, we all would love to have record crowds but as of now, that is a fantasy. Yet you guys pursue it and talk about stuff that hasn't happened as if it were fact.

Hmm.

Higher attendance =

-More $$$ for the program
-Looks better on TV
-Looks better for recruits
-Bigger advantage for home team if the crowd gets loud
-Looks better to other conferences trying to size up (CUS/AAC/MWC)
-Looks better to bowl selection committees

Do I need to continue?
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Here in Louisville they have not once brought up the fact that EMU is an embarrassment to the MAC due to their attendance. They just love to bring up the fact that "Ohio U" was supposed to be their toughest non conference matchup and instead it turned out to be a cakewalk. Just saying.

So the question lies. Performance or attendance?

(Note: I'm not condoning EMU's lousy performance or lousy attendance, just making a regional comment.)
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(10-20-2013 08:56 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-20-2013 09:14 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

What the league could use is a few programs doing the opposite of the typical 20,000 G5 number and start drawing in the 35k-40k range.

The heat should be on Ohio, NIU, Buffalo to push their stadiums to 40k and start posting high ticket sold numbers.

That would be awesome as it would be a lot of new revenue for those programs and legitimize the football experience a bit more across the league. I think though all you are really doing is positioning long term for another conference. If you are drawing 40K and running a program at a level to bring out 40K in fans consistently, you aren't going to want to be in a league with teams drawing 3K. The MACs identity has been the general balance among its members, if you start seeing programs push the envelope and get to that next level it would probably drive a wedge in the league over time. Not saying that is the worst thing though. Raise the bar and make programs rise up.
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(10-21-2013 07:20 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  Hmm.

Higher attendance =

-More $$$ for the program
-Looks better on TV
-Looks better for recruits
-Bigger advantage for home team if the crowd gets loud
-Looks better to other conferences trying to size up (CUS/AAC/MWC)
-Looks better to bowl selection committees

Do I need to continue?

Did I say that those things do not happen IF (when?) attendance is better? No, I did not. All of those are marginal, at best. If you really believe at our level that bowl committees are looking at that, you're nuts. They might check to see if the fans travel well to bowl games, but that is it. In our case in the MAC, our bowls have no choice but to accept teams from a contracted conference.

Talking about expanding stadiums in a conference where very rarely are there sell out crowds is ridiculous.

Attendance talk is simply wasting time, unless your point is to brag about a good crowd your school had at a game. Then, most of us ignore the poster because he/she also predicted their school will leave the MAC in the dust with just a few more select recruits. 03-lmfao

But, carry on as if it means anything. You will anyways.
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(10-21-2013 01:12 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  
(10-20-2013 08:56 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  
(10-20-2013 09:14 AM)Love and Honor Wrote:  The average MAC attendance without EMU is 19,227 instead of 18,460. The 3k is a black eye on the MAC, but is an 800 difference in attendance average really enough to throw them to the wolves? Either way, the P5 thinks of us as a joke and the G5 isn't much different than us. Once Louisville and Rutgers leave, the AAC won't be head and shoulders above everyone else, while our numbers this year are on par with the MWC, C-USA, and Belt. The only thing EMU does is to allow fans of those other teams to talk attendance smack because they assume that we all draw crowds in the EMU/weeknight game range. That obviously isn't true, and we have facts to back us up.

What the league could use is a few programs doing the opposite of the typical 20,000 G5 number and start drawing in the 35k-40k range.

The heat should be on Ohio, NIU, Buffalo to push their stadiums to 40k and start posting high ticket sold numbers.

You guys got the memo and ignored it. Attendance doesn't matter at this level. Only the resident MAC navel gazers give a rip about it. It's like porn to you guys - you just have to keep talking about it and looking at it. Sure, we all would love to have record crowds but as of now, that is a fantasy. Yet you guys pursue it and talk about stuff that hasn't happened as if it were fact.
DING DING DING.

Some of us aren't happy with the level the MAC has been trying to stay at. The MAC is capable of going to the NEXT level with dedication from all members.

I don't think it is a fantasy. I have been walking into a sold out MAC stadium more often than not this season. It is possible at some MAC schools. Others just do not have the necessary resources in place to compete at this level let alone advance the conference to the next level.
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It is very frustrating that a group of posters on this board is so against improvement. I don't understand why some believe the MAC is not capable of bigger things. We are coming off a BCS appearance. If the conference improves, those becomes more common.

That is something we should be aiming for as a group.
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(10-21-2013 08:54 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  It is very frustrating that a group of posters on this board is so against improvement. I don't understand why some believe the MAC is not capable of bigger things. We are coming off a BCS appearance. If the conference improves, those becomes more common.

That is something we should be aiming for as a group.

It is frustrating to the animal lovers on this board that so many horses hang desperately to life for fear of being severely beaten when they die.
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(10-21-2013 09:19 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(10-21-2013 08:54 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  It is very frustrating that a group of posters on this board is so against improvement. I don't understand why some believe the MAC is not capable of bigger things. We are coming off a BCS appearance. If the conference improves, those becomes more common.

That is something we should be aiming for as a group.

It is frustrating to the animal lovers on this board that so many horses hang desperately to life for fear of being severely beaten when they die.

I am of the belief the biggest dead horse of them all will go on to a more respectable existence competing at the level it belongs at.
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(10-21-2013 09:23 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  
(10-21-2013 09:19 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  
(10-21-2013 08:54 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  It is very frustrating that a group of posters on this board is so against improvement. I don't understand why some believe the MAC is not capable of bigger things. We are coming off a BCS appearance. If the conference improves, those becomes more common.

That is something we should be aiming for as a group.

It is frustrating to the animal lovers on this board that so many horses hang desperately to life for fear of being severely beaten when they die.

I am of the belief the biggest dead horse of them all will go on to a more respectable existence competing at the level it belongs at.

Michigan is moving to the SEC? 04-jawdrop
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