(07-31-2014 01:38 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 12:33 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  I love when people claim an opinion doesn't matter, what a joke. It's football, not quantum physics, FIU as a program isn't good. They are yet another program stinking up your weak schedule.

History lesson time, App has played 8 seasons at the highest level. The last time we played at the highest level we beat Marshall four our of the five times we played.

Time to renew the rivalry that we OWN.

Right...because that mattered so much way back in the 70's... Means NOTHING in modern era football... Columbia used to be a powerhouse too... Apples to oranges Pal...Since we're talking history...How have you fared against us lately? Last couple of times that anything really even mattered, you got handled...

But you're right, I was out of line stating that your opinion didn't matter...it does, my apologies... IMHO I think you all are doing a lot of chest thumping without really accomplishing anything in recent memory.

I think you and our other former SoCon counterparts are going to be in for a surprise...but good luck just the same. And about owning us..

Give us 20 extra scholarships and the results would be the same. Every time App and Marshall were on equal ground we won 66% of the time. Our program didn't get penalized by the NCAA shortly after beating you either.

Marshall hasn't been setting the world on fire since you guys got back from probation.

You guys win ONE divisional championship in CUSA once the top 4 members skip town and now are crowing about going undefeated this year with a sister's of the poor tour in 2014.

We will take our lumps in 2014, but that program that kicked your butts in the 70's, 80's, and 90's in getting pretty big in that mirror.

(07-31-2014 02:56 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Give us 20 extra scholarships and the results would be the same. Every time App and Marshall were on equal ground we won 66% of the time. Our program didn't get penalized by the NCAA shortly after beating you either.

Marshall hasn't been setting the world on fire since you guys got back from probation.

You guys win ONE divisional championship in CUSA once the top 4 members skip town and now are crowing about going undefeated this year with a sister's of the poor tour in 2014.

We will take our lumps in 2014, but that program that kicked your butts in the 70's, 80's, and 90's in getting pretty big in that mirror.

The TOP 4 members??? I'll give you UCF but then who??? Houston??? Sorry, 2-2...Memphis??? we had the edge... Tulane??? Nice try...SMU?? Again...wrong. Tulsa had us I think 3 to 1, but we beat them last year.. and ECU got us more often than not, but you saw the result last year as well (3 or 4 wins overall against them).. So for you to make that claim is not very accurate..

Time will tell, my friend...no, we haven't been burning it up, but if you look at the past 3 years, and ahead to this one...I'd say we're pretty much back... if we can do what we're supposed to do this year.

The fact is both conference are pretty dam weak at the bottom...end of story...Top 4 teams in each conference head to head would be good game..anything else to argue?

(07-31-2014 03:22 PM)RustonCAT Wrote:  The fact is both conference are pretty dam weak at the bottom...end of story...Top 4 teams in each conference head to head would be good game..anything else to argue?

No argument with that.

Since 2005, CUSA has had 9 championship games, the AAC now claims 14 of the 18 participants of those games. So yes the AAC did take the best teams. Before last year it was 14 or 16.


Only took you 11 years after probation to win a divisional championship, congrats we might be able to beat that pace.

(07-31-2014 03:40 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Since 2005, CUSA has had 9 championship games, the AAC now claims 14 of the 18 participants of those games. So yes the AAC did take the best teams. Before last year it was 14 or 16.


Only took you 11 years after probation to win a divisional championship, congrats we might be able to beat that pace.

That is an interesting point. Most of CUSA's football titles moved to the AAC. Only SBC titles that moved where UNT's from 01-04.

(08-01-2014 01:02 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(07-31-2014 03:40 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Since 2005, CUSA has had 9 championship games, the AAC now claims 14 of the 18 participants of those games. So yes the AAC did take the best teams. Before last year it was 14 or 16.


Only took you 11 years after probation to win a divisional championship, congrats we might be able to beat that pace.

That is an interesting point. Most of CUSA's football titles moved to the AAC. Only SBC titles that moved where UNT's from 01-04.

And again, that smack is laughable coming from a fan whose team hasn't done jack squat at the FBS level (in modern times).

Smack? Geez get a clue. You give opinions with no substance, good to see the Marshall fanbase hasn't changed.

Can we please get someone from stAte or the Cajuns to give the same information that Saint3333 gave, so it will somehow become... valid?

Good point rev, I'm an idiot that doesn't understand football! How dare I debate with such great minds that Marshall produces ;-).

(08-02-2014 09:04 AM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  Can we please get someone from stAte or the Cajuns to give the same information that Saint3333 gave, so it will somehow become... valid?

No one cares Rev! Its a stupid debate. Nothing that happened in the 70s or 80s is relevant to most today. Good, Bad or Ugly!

(08-04-2014 12:35 AM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  No one cares Rev! Its a stupid debate. Nothing that happened in the 70s or 80s is relevant to most today. Good, Bad or Ugly!

I thought this was a pretty interesting point (and really to me, at least, relevant to the discussion at hand):

(07-31-2014 03:40 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Since 2005, CUSA has had 9 championship games, the AAC now claims 14 of the 18 participants of those games. So yes the AAC did take the best teams. Before last year it was 14 or 16.

How many conference champions during that same time period? My count is 3, for MTSU (2006), FAU (2007), & FIU (2010).

To have apples to apples you should count the top two SBC spots since 2005. By my count that would be 5 of the 18 participants of a hypothetical SBC championship game 2005-2013 are now claimed by CUSA. Or 28% compared to 78%.

IF, I sat if, we were to consider expanding beyond 12 (meaning it would have to be a move that offset the loss of CFP money from going beyond 12) I am thinking more and more that we should consider adding a true western division by raiding the Big Sky. If we paired the Montana schools, EWU and 2 others with Idaho, NMSU and perhaps TX ST, we could grab an area that is underserved and could be competitive quickly.

Looking at a map of FCS football you can see why those programs are successful:

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/fcs-team-map/

(09-04-2014 08:56 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  IF, I sat if, we were to consider expanding beyond 12 (meaning it would have to be a move that offset the loss of CFP money from going beyond 12) I am thinking more and more that we should consider adding a true western division by raiding the Big Sky. If we paired the Montana schools, EWU and 2 others with Idaho, NMSU and perhaps TX ST, we could grab an area that is underserved and could be competitive quickly.

Looking at a map of FCS football you can see why those programs are successful:

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/fcs-team-map/

How did NoDak break into Crump's account?

(08-02-2014 11:52 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  Good point rev, I'm an idiot that doesn't understand football! How dare I debate with such great minds that Marshall produces ;-).

Well remember they used to claim that MU stood for Mensa U.

(09-04-2014 02:31 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 08:56 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  IF, I sat if, we were to consider expanding beyond 12 (meaning it would have to be a move that offset the loss of CFP money from going beyond 12) I am thinking more and more that we should consider adding a true western division by raiding the Big Sky. If we paired the Montana schools, EWU and 2 others with Idaho, NMSU and perhaps TX ST, we could grab an area that is underserved and could be competitive quickly.

Looking at a map of FCS football you can see why those programs are successful:

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/fcs-team-map/

How did NoDak break into Crump's account?

Haha! Just looking at those schools out west, considering that we have some far flung western teams already and if you watch video of games at Montana State, Montana, EWU, etc. you see that the atmosphere rivals that of the top SBC programs in those areas. Much like GaSo and App, those programs fit the mold of programs in towns that really care about and support their college teams versus being in a large metro where people don't really notice.

The loss of playoff money is likely too much to overcome but I think those programs would flourish with FBS membership.

(09-05-2014 08:50 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 02:31 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 08:56 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  IF, I sat if, we were to consider expanding beyond 12 (meaning it would have to be a move that offset the loss of CFP money from going beyond 12) I am thinking more and more that we should consider adding a true western division by raiding the Big Sky. If we paired the Montana schools, EWU and 2 others with Idaho, NMSU and perhaps TX ST, we could grab an area that is underserved and could be competitive quickly.

Looking at a map of FCS football you can see why those programs are successful:

http://www.championshipsubdivision.com/fcs-team-map/

How did NoDak break into Crump's account?

Haha! Just looking at those schools out west, considering that we have some far flung western teams already and if you watch video of games at Montana State, Montana, EWU, etc. you see that the atmosphere rivals that of the top SBC programs in those areas. Much like GaSo and App, those programs fit the mold of programs in towns that really care about and support their college teams versus being in a large metro where people don't really notice.

The loss of playoff money is likely too much to overcome but I think those programs would flourish with FBS membership.

There is no playoff money. Even the NCAA sanctioned home games has money ripped off by the NCAA. Schools normally are very lucky to break even or lose little money in the FCS play offs.

Sorry, I was talking about the playoff money that we will be getting under the new FBS system. We lose money if we go above 12 teams so adding anything above that number has to have some real incentive and revenue involved.

(09-08-2014 09:54 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  Sorry, I was talking about the playoff money that we will be getting under the new FBS system. We lose money if we go above 12 teams so adding anything above that number has to have some real incentive and revenue involved.

Oh, thought you were speaking of the FCS playoffs.