(10-17-2013 08:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 08:20 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 05:16 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Yea I honestly care more about targeting the larger prize of assimilating more with the entire city of Cincinnati than with a few upset bar owners in Clifton.

Last time I checked, main campus is in the city of Cincinnati. What is there to "assimilate"? I would think the school wants people to experience the World class beautiful main campus, not bar hop downtown. I can see how it benefits places like UL, where it's basically a powerhouse athletic program with a commuter school on a crappy nondescript campus attached to it. That's not the case here. Further development of the area around our campus by having consistent high draw events at the school like college basketball and football is better for the interests of the university.
The experiment of trying to move football and basketball downtown has already been tried here and found to be dismal failures.

That was a long time ago. At that time both programs were not good, fan support was equally as bad.

Football moved WVU and UofL games down to PBS 3 years ago and it was a failure. That is hardly a long time ago.

(10-17-2013 08:41 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 08:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 08:20 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 05:16 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Yea I honestly care more about targeting the larger prize of assimilating more with the entire city of Cincinnati than with a few upset bar owners in Clifton.

Last time I checked, main campus is in the city of Cincinnati. What is there to "assimilate"? I would think the school wants people to experience the World class beautiful main campus, not bar hop downtown. I can see how it benefits places like UL, where it's basically a powerhouse athletic program with a commuter school on a crappy nondescript campus attached to it. That's not the case here. Further development of the area around our campus by having consistent high draw events at the school like college basketball and football is better for the interests of the university.
The experiment of trying to move football and basketball downtown has already been tried here and found to be dismal failures.

That was a long time ago. At that time both programs were not good, fan support was equally as bad.

Football moved WVU and UofL games down to PBS 3 years ago and it was a failure. That is hardly a long time ago.

When did football become the topic? We're talking purely basketball here.

(10-17-2013 08:41 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 08:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 08:20 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 05:16 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Yea I honestly care more about targeting the larger prize of assimilating more with the entire city of Cincinnati than with a few upset bar owners in Clifton.

Last time I checked, main campus is in the city of Cincinnati. What is there to "assimilate"? I would think the school wants people to experience the World class beautiful main campus, not bar hop downtown. I can see how it benefits places like UL, where it's basically a powerhouse athletic program with a commuter school on a crappy nondescript campus attached to it. That's not the case here. Further development of the area around our campus by having consistent high draw events at the school like college basketball and football is better for the interests of the university.
The experiment of trying to move football and basketball downtown has already been tried here and found to be dismal failures.

That was a long time ago. At that time both programs were not good, fan support was equally as bad.

Football moved WVU and UofL games down to PBS 3 years ago and it was a failure. That is hardly a long time ago.

I am not sure we can call those game a failure. UC didn't make the money needed too; however, those game had over 40,000 fans each. I think when you couple that with the Oklahoma game in 2010 there is enough evidence to show UC can draw downtown under the right situation. Next year will provide a few more data points to see if UC football can draw downtown against a so-so schedule. How would this translate to a basketball schedule downtown is unknown at this point. We do know that UC did not draw very well downtown games against UD, Notre Dame, Oklahoma and Miami but some of those games were part of the rebuilding period. Cincinnati did bring the majority of fans to the Crosstown Classic too.

(10-17-2013 08:48 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 08:41 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 08:26 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 08:20 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 05:16 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  Yea I honestly care more about targeting the larger prize of assimilating more with the entire city of Cincinnati than with a few upset bar owners in Clifton.

Last time I checked, main campus is in the city of Cincinnati. What is there to "assimilate"? I would think the school wants people to experience the World class beautiful main campus, not bar hop downtown. I can see how it benefits places like UL, where it's basically a powerhouse athletic program with a commuter school on a crappy nondescript campus attached to it. That's not the case here. Further development of the area around our campus by having consistent high draw events at the school like college basketball and football is better for the interests of the university.
The experiment of trying to move football and basketball downtown has already been tried here and found to be dismal failures.

That was a long time ago. At that time both programs were not good, fan support was equally as bad.

Football moved WVU and UofL games down to PBS 3 years ago and it was a failure. That is hardly a long time ago.

I am not sure we can call those game a failure. UC didn't make the money needed too; however, those game had over 40,000 fans each. I think when you couple that with the Oklahoma game in 2010 there is enough evidence to show UC can draw downtown under the right situation. Next year will provide a few more data points to see if UC football can draw downtown against a so-so schedule. How would this translate to a basketball schedule downtown is unknown at this point. We do know that UC did not draw very well downtown games against UD, Notre Dame, Oklahoma and Miami but some of those games were part of the rebuilding period. Cincinnati did bring the majority of fans to the Crosstown Classic too.

I think for UC to draw downtown regularly we would need to be in a P5 conference. If we were and we were good, say #17 UC hosting #9 Texas, we would have no issue being downtown for select games. The other games (KSU, WVA, Iowa State, TCU, etc) would be sold out at The Nip.

If we enter a P5 conference, all our games will be played on the same field. We will not hop from stadium to stadium based on potential draw. If it is in the best interest for UC to play our games at PBS, then our games will be played at PBS. If not, then we will be at Nippert.

(10-18-2013 07:05 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  If we enter a P5 conference, all our games will be played on the same field. We will not hop from stadium to stadium based on potential draw. If it is in the best interest for UC to play our games at PBS, then our games will be played at PBS. If not, then we will be at Nippert.

obviously with the money we are sinking into Nippert we will not be playing downtown. My point was to say that we would draw downtown if we were in a P5 conference and it was some of the better teams in that conference coming in.

Regarding the merchants around campus, how much business do they drum up during basketball season? Basketball is a lot different animal than football where people might spend most of the day on and around campus. Most people I know drive down for the game and hope back in their car immediately afterward. I am sure weather is a big factor in this.

Hard to imagine in this still fragile economy that any investors will want to dump an eight figure investment into USBank Arena to pick up 18 UC games a year... or to be wishin' and hopin' for an NCAA bid every few years. I think Whit is playing this one just right by saying IF that were to become a world class arena UC would strongly consider it. Otherwise, stay the course with Nippert renovations that add revenue and then turn to 5th/3rd Arena and do the same.

(10-18-2013 10:43 AM)indycat Wrote:  Hard to imagine in this still fragile economy that any investors will want to dump an eight figure investment into USBank Arena to pick up 18 UC games a year... or to be wishin' and hopin' for an NCAA bid every few years. I think Whit is playing this one just right by saying IF that were to become a world class arena UC would strongly consider it. Otherwise, stay the course with Nippert renovations that add revenue and then turn to 5th/3rd Arena and do the same.

I think the deal with renovating US Bank is two fold. In order to pull it off they need another ongoing tenant besides hockey, that would be UC, and if done right it also gives them the type of facility to compete with better venues.
This is who owns US Bank,

http://www.aegworldwide.com/

(10-18-2013 11:39 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-18-2013 10:43 AM)indycat Wrote:  Hard to imagine in this still fragile economy that any investors will want to dump an eight figure investment into USBank Arena to pick up 18 UC games a year... or to be wishin' and hopin' for an NCAA bid every few years. I think Whit is playing this one just right by saying IF that were to become a world class arena UC would strongly consider it. Otherwise, stay the course with Nippert renovations that add revenue and then turn to 5th/3rd Arena and do the same.

I think the deal with renovating US Bank is two fold. In order to pull it off they need another ongoing tenant besides hockey, that would be UC, and if done right it also gives them the type of facility to compete with better venues.
This is who owns US Bank,

http://www.aegworldwide.com/

There's a quid pro quo for everything and nobody is gonna sink oodles of private money into that place and not want a healthy cut of revenues which of course will cut into whatever UC can make vs. what they keep if they own and operate their own facility.

(10-18-2013 07:05 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  If we enter a P5 conference, all our games will be played on the same field. We will not hop from stadium to stadium based on potential draw. If it is in the best interest for UC to play our games at PBS, then our games will be played at PBS. If not, then we will be at Nippert.

Not so sure about that. If UC was in the ACC, could see Florida State, Miami and maybe even Louisville games at PBS while Duke, Wake and BC
would obviously be at the Nip. If it were Big 12, wouldn't UC want Texas or Oklahoma games at PBS?

(10-18-2013 10:43 AM)indycat Wrote:  Hard to imagine in this still fragile economy that any investors will want to dump an eight figure investment into USBank Arena to pick up 18 UC games a year... or to be wishin' and hopin' for an NCAA bid every few years.

It is more than that. It is also all the concerts and other arena events that are being lost to Columbus, Louisville, and Indy. Take a look at the US Bank Arena schedule and you will see it. Right now you have Kat Williams, Disney on Ice, the Trans Siberian Orchestra, a preseason Cavs game, and the shootout.

The Yum Center has Kat Williams, Semena Gomez, John Mayer, Jimmy Buffet, Keith Urban, Trans Siberian Orchestra, Beyonce, Justin Timberlake, George Strait, and Cher on the schedule.

Nationwide Arena has Kanye, Justin Timberlake, Elton John, Selena Gomez, Drake, George Strait, Demi Lovato, and Cher.

Bankers Life Fieldhouse has the Eagles, Jeff Dunham, Selena Gomez, Pink, Drake, Justin Timberlake, Demi Lovato, the Big Ten Men's and Women's basketball tournaments, Ringling Brothers, Cher, and a couple of smaller events.

The reason investors would be willing to dump millions into a renovation of US Bank is to get some of those large musical acts back that are going to every city within 100 miles of Cincinnati, but won't even think about coming to the outdated arena we currently have.

On Willie's show today, he had on the CEO of Western and Southern. Apparently he is in charge of making a big push to bring the 2016 Republican National Convention to Cincinnati. This would be held at US Bank Arena. Willie asked about it being a dump, and the CEO said that the owner's promised massive renovations if it was awarded to Cincinnati. It will be decided by July 4 of this year. I wonder how this would impact the possibility of UC moving there? I would imagine if this were awarded to Cincinnati, the City would also kick in some funds for the upgrade. Just thinking out loud and wondering "what if" and how it may have a ripple effect.

(10-18-2013 07:56 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(10-18-2013 07:05 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  If we enter a P5 conference, all our games will be played on the same field. We will not hop from stadium to stadium based on potential draw. If it is in the best interest for UC to play our games at PBS, then our games will be played at PBS. If not, then we will be at Nippert.

Not so sure about that. If UC was in the ACC, could see Florida State, Miami and maybe even Louisville games at PBS while Duke, Wake and BC
would obviously be at the Nip. If it were Big 12, wouldn't UC want Texas or Oklahoma games at PBS?

The luxury suite owners want to occupy their suites at Nippert for prime games. Truth be told, although those games would sell very well at PBS,
we want a sold out packed Nippert. It is a home field advantage.

(02-19-2014 02:51 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  On Willie's show today, he had on the CEO of Western and Southern. Apparently he is in charge of making a big push to bring the 2016 Republican National Convention to Cincinnati. This would be held at US Bank Arena. Willie asked about it being a dump, and the CEO said that the owner's promised massive renovations if it was awarded to Cincinnati. It will be decided by July 4 of this year. I wonder how this would impact the possibility of UC moving there? I would imagine if this were awarded to Cincinnati, the City would also kick in some funds for the upgrade. Just thinking out loud and wondering "what if" and how it may have a ripple effect.

The Bearcat Journal board has an Arena thread that is on fire with a
ton of good info. And the GOP convention has been brought up over there.

(02-19-2014 02:57 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-18-2013 07:56 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(10-18-2013 07:05 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  If we enter a P5 conference, all our games will be played on the same field. We will not hop from stadium to stadium based on potential draw. If it is in the best interest for UC to play our games at PBS, then our games will be played at PBS. If not, then we will be at Nippert.

Not so sure about that. If UC was in the ACC, could see Florida State, Miami and maybe even Louisville games at PBS while Duke, Wake and BC
would obviously be at the Nip. If it were Big 12, wouldn't UC want Texas or Oklahoma games at PBS?

The luxury suite owners want to occupy their suites at Nippert for prime games. Truth be told, although those games would sell very well at PBS,
we want a sold out packed Nippert. It is a home field advantage.

Absolutely correct--I'm sure there was at least a thinly veiled suggestion that the investment in Nippert boxes and premium seats would mean seeing P5 competition. Unless the B12 or ACC forced it, UC should play all home football games in Nippert. Let's hope we have the chance to have an Oklahoma or Florida State on our turf and show them how that place rocks. Can't imagine an $86 million capital improvement would have moved forward if the powers that be in P5 conferences had said an expanded, improved Nippert wouldn't work long term.

(02-19-2014 03:19 PM)indycat Wrote:  

(02-19-2014 02:57 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(10-18-2013 07:56 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  

(10-18-2013 07:05 AM)Bearcat Otto Wrote:  If we enter a P5 conference, all our games will be played on the same field. We will not hop from stadium to stadium based on potential draw. If it is in the best interest for UC to play our games at PBS, then our games will be played at PBS. If not, then we will be at Nippert.

Not so sure about that. If UC was in the ACC, could see Florida State, Miami and maybe even Louisville games at PBS while Duke, Wake and BC
would obviously be at the Nip. If it were Big 12, wouldn't UC want Texas or Oklahoma games at PBS?

The luxury suite owners want to occupy their suites at Nippert for prime games. Truth be told, although those games would sell very well at PBS,
we want a sold out packed Nippert. It is a home field advantage.

Absolutely correct--I'm sure there was at least a thinly veiled suggestion that the investment in Nippert boxes and premium seats would mean seeing P5 competition. Unless the B12 or ACC forced it, UC should play all home football games in Nippert. Let's hope we have the chance to have an Oklahoma or Florida State on our turf and show them how that place rocks. Can't imagine an $86 million capital improvement would have moved forward if the powers that be in P5 conferences had said an expanded, improved Nippert wouldn't work long term.

The irony is, that without a "P5" invite, the renovation of Nippert is ABSOLUTELY necessary. People keep saying things like "the renovation is an indicator that we will get an invite to a P-5 conference." I think it's much more likely the opposite. Without the revenue of a "P5" conference, those luxury boxes becomes imperative for UC. Without that revenue stream, UC's existence in the American becomes perilous at best. With the new revenue stream, UC's athletic future looks much, much brighter...even if our stay in the American is prolonged or permanent.

It would be my guess that if a "P5" invite was somehow imminent, UC's investment probably would have been in renovating 5/3 with the idea that Nippert would be a longer-term issue and PBS would be a short-term solution.

Not being "gloom-and-doom" at all, but I think the Nippert renovation will be HUGE in securing the funds for the program to keep functioning in a tight economic landscape.

I disagree Jerry, FB drives P5 not basketball. I'm sure Whit heard from his counterparts that one thing that made UC unattractive as a candidate was the stadium. My guess would be that if UC were to get an invite a game or 2 may be moved to PBS if the crowd warrented it. e.g. Texas

I can see the point on crowd size but the lux boxes and the club seat at the Nippert make me think no games at PBS. How can you see a lux box and not have all the games.

(02-19-2014 06:51 PM)Crewdogz Wrote:  I disagree Jerry, FB drives P5 not basketball. I'm sure Whit heard from his counterparts that one thing that made UC unattractive as a candidate was the stadium. My guess would be that if UC were to get an invite a game or 2 may be moved to PBS if the crowd warrented it. e.g. Texas

I am paying $15,000 for two seats at NIP. Why the heck do I want to move games to PBS. If that happens do I get luxury seats at PBS?