(10-17-2013 05:32 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:30 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Who gets in from this group of nominees?

Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Chic
Deep Purple
Peter Gabriel
Daryl Hall & John Oates
KISS
LL Cool J
The Meters
Nirvana
N.W.A.
The Replacements
Linda Ronstadt
Cat Stevens
Link Wray
Yes
The Zombies

STRONG group of nominees, in my opinion....my guess as to who gets in..

Nirvana
KISS
NWA
Hall & Oates
Peter Gabriel

Will be some pretty interesting drama if Nirvana gets in. Does Courtney Love try to take the stage with them? I can't see Dave and Kris allowing that to happen.

Oddly, for all the legendary status NWA gets for "creating" a rap genre, LL Cool J probably deserves entry before. LL has more classics, he started earlier, and made music for nearly 30 years, and is an iconic rap figure.

NWA as a group did 2 real albums, an EP, and an album that's basically a mixtape. NWA has three members that are worthy of entry (Dre, Cube, & Eazy) and Cube and Dre probably deserve entry on their own as opposed to as part of NWA.

NWA deserves to be in. LLCJ might too, but NWA definitely without question.

Chris Rock didnt make a movie mocking LLCJ. He did with NWA.

(10-17-2013 05:32 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:30 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Who gets in from this group of nominees?

Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Chic
Deep Purple
Peter Gabriel
Daryl Hall & John Oates
KISS
LL Cool J
The Meters
Nirvana
N.W.A.
The Replacements
Linda Ronstadt
Cat Stevens
Link Wray
Yes
The Zombies

STRONG group of nominees, in my opinion....my guess as to who gets in..

Nirvana
KISS
NWA
Hall & Oates
Peter Gabriel

Will be some pretty interesting drama if Nirvana gets in. Does Courtney Love try to take the stage with them? I can't see Dave and Kris allowing that to happen.

Oddly, for all the legendary status NWA gets for "creating" a rap genre, LL Cool J probably deserves entry before. LL has more classics, he started earlier, and made music for nearly 30 years, and is an iconic rap figure.

NWA as a group did 2 real albums, an EP, and an album that's basically a mixtape. NWA has three members that are worthy of entry (Dre, Cube, & Eazy) and Cube and Dre probably deserve entry on their own as opposed to as part of NWA.

I think Aerosmith laid the foundation for rap.

Rap is not music IMO. Call it an art form if you wish, or poetry, or whatever other entertainment category it may fit. But it ain't music.

You may now flame away at will.

(10-17-2013 10:35 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 05:32 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:30 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Who gets in from this group of nominees?

Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Chic
Deep Purple
Peter Gabriel
Daryl Hall & John Oates
KISS
LL Cool J
The Meters
Nirvana
N.W.A.
The Replacements
Linda Ronstadt
Cat Stevens
Link Wray
Yes
The Zombies

STRONG group of nominees, in my opinion....my guess as to who gets in..

Nirvana
KISS
NWA
Hall & Oates
Peter Gabriel

Will be some pretty interesting drama if Nirvana gets in. Does Courtney Love try to take the stage with them? I can't see Dave and Kris allowing that to happen.

Oddly, for all the legendary status NWA gets for "creating" a rap genre, LL Cool J probably deserves entry before. LL has more classics, he started earlier, and made music for nearly 30 years, and is an iconic rap figure.

NWA as a group did 2 real albums, an EP, and an album that's basically a mixtape. NWA has three members that are worthy of entry (Dre, Cube, & Eazy) and Cube and Dre probably deserve entry on their own as opposed to as part of NWA.

I think Aerosmith laid the foundation for rap.

Chic would tell you they hit it first.

(10-17-2013 12:06 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  RapPolka is not music IMO. Call it an art form if you wish, or poetry, or whatever other entertainment category it may fit. But it ain't music.

You may now flame away at will.

FIFY

BTW... Your comment is like you saying "Gay porn is not porn."

Just because you don't like and don't watch doesn't mean it doesn't qualify.

Rappers vocals IMO are no different than the vocals on some blues or country songs. If you don't like the backing music or the choruses that I components of music songs, cool. But if you don't think it's music, why don't you study it and listen to how it must fit in frames that music uses.

So is "Green Onions" not music either OMG? The few words in it aren't sung.

(10-17-2013 07:52 AM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 05:32 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-16-2013 12:30 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  Who gets in from this group of nominees?

Paul Butterfield Blues Band
Chic
Deep Purple
Peter Gabriel
Daryl Hall & John Oates
KISS
LL Cool J
The Meters
Nirvana
N.W.A.
The Replacements
Linda Ronstadt
Cat Stevens
Link Wray
Yes
The Zombies

STRONG group of nominees, in my opinion....my guess as to who gets in..

Nirvana
KISS
NWA
Hall & Oates
Peter Gabriel

Will be some pretty interesting drama if Nirvana gets in. Does Courtney Love try to take the stage with them? I can't see Dave and Kris allowing that to happen.

Oddly, for all the legendary status NWA gets for "creating" a rap genre, LL Cool J probably deserves entry before. LL has more classics, he started earlier, and made music for nearly 30 years, and is an iconic rap figure.

NWA as a group did 2 real albums, an EP, and an album that's basically a mixtape. NWA has three members that are worthy of entry (Dre, Cube, & Eazy) and Cube and Dre probably deserve entry on their own as opposed to as part of NWA.

NWA deserves to be in. LLCJ might too, but NWA definitely without question.

Chris Rock didnt make a movie mocking LLCJ. He did with NWA.

As a group? Basically it's not because of the body of their work. They have five classic songs. Now the components (specifically Dre & Cube) have done a great deal, but NWA had a two year window before splitting into stronger pieces.

Does NWA include the DOC? He wrote the lyrics after Ice Cube left.

Straight out Of Compton
Dope Man
Gangsta Gangsta
Express Yourself
100 Miles & Running

Plus the Eazy-E stuff that was really NWA, Boyz N The Hood.

I grew up on NWA, but LL's impact has to be considered just as great. LL was the artist who launched Def Jam Records.

IMHO, the thing that makes NWA great, more than their list of hits, is they set the stage for the gangsta-rap explosion in the 1990's. Ice-T can probably lay some claim too, but NWA...and the subsequent solo acts...took that music experience and made it into a force to be reckoned with.

For me, the possibility of seeing F The Police being performed onstage at the Hall of Fame ceremony is enough to hope for NWA's inclusion.

(10-17-2013 01:00 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  IMHO, the thing that makes NWA great, more than their list of hits, is they set the stage for the gangsta-rap explosion in the 1990's. Ice-T can probably lay some claim too, but NWA...and the subsequent solo acts...took that music experience and made it into a force to be reckoned with.

Exactly.

NWA should get in before LL because, along with a few other groups/artists (Public Enemy, who was inducted last year, Geto Boys, Ice-T, etc.) they paved the way for gangsta rap to be accepted in the mainstream. Plus, you just can't deny the talent that came from that group.

I'd PREFER to listen to LL Cool J over NWA personally, but as far as judging them purely on their effect on the music biz, the edge totally goes to NWA.

(10-17-2013 12:06 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Rap is not music IMO. Call it an art form if you wish, or poetry, or whatever other entertainment category it may fit. But it ain't music.

You may now flame away at will.

Living up to your username I see...

(10-17-2013 01:46 PM)JTiger Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 12:06 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  Rap is not music IMO. Call it an art form if you wish, or poetry, or whatever other entertainment category it may fit. But it ain't music.

You may now flame away at will.

Living up to your username I see...

#getoffmylawn

Green, Public Enemy was NEVER gangsta rap.

I understand NWA's influence in a major rap genre, but their body of work is seriously limited.

LL was just as influential. LL was one of the first rappers who had crossover success. LL was relevant to rap for nearly 25 years. LL was the biggest star in rap for five years.

LL was also a better rapper than anyone in NWA (though LL vs. Cube would have a heavyweight championship level battle).

I think "I'm Bad" and "I need love" have had better longevity than any of the NWA songs.

F*** the Police is more of a legend than a good song.

Gangsta gangsta, express yourself, I ain't the one, and straight outta Compton were all better songs.

(10-17-2013 01:34 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  For me, the possibility of seeing F The Police being performed onstage at the Hall of Fame ceremony is enough to hope for NWA's inclusion.

If NWA was inducted, it'd probably me a song that highlight Dre like Express yourself or something from the Ns for life album.

Afterall, Ice Cube wasn't there for the full NWA era, Ren & Yella aren't stars, and Eazy's dead.

(10-17-2013 02:23 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Green, Public Enemy was NEVER gangsta rap.

I understand NWA's influence in a major rap genre, but their body of work is seriously limited.

LL was just as influential. LL was one of the first rappers who had crossover success. LL was relevant to rap for nearly 25 years. LL was the biggest star in rap for five years.

LL was also a better rapper than anyone in NWA (though LL vs. Cube would have a heavyweight championship level battle).

I think "I'm Bad" and "I need love" have had better longevity than any of the NWA songs.

F*** the Police is more of a legend than a good song.

Gangsta gangsta, express yourself, I ain't the one, and straight outta Compton were all better songs.

On that same note, what's your opinion on Nirvana?

Limited body of work...their legacy possibly elevated due to Kurt offing himself...but still considered one of the great influences on a particular genre, much like NWA.

(10-17-2013 12:29 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 12:06 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  RapPolka is not music IMO. Call it an art form if you wish, or poetry, or whatever other entertainment category it may fit. But it ain't music.

You may now flame away at will.

FIFY

BTW... Your comment is like you saying "Gay porn is not porn."

Just because you don't like and don't watch doesn't mean it doesn't qualify.

Rappers vocals IMO are no different than the vocals on some blues or country songs. If you don't like the backing music or the choruses that I components of music songs, cool. But if you don't think it's music, why don't you study it and listen to how it must fit in frames that music uses.

So is "Green Onions" not music either OMG? The few words in it aren't sung.

I've never watched 'gay porn' so I can't agree or disagree with your analogy. However, my opinion of rap remains the same.

HLT, that almost mirrors my comment on Nirvana. They certainly have a place and were trendsetters; but their status is artificially elevated because of Cobain's suicide.

...you could say the same for The Doors...

(10-17-2013 02:36 PM)HornLakeTiger Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 02:23 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Green, Public Enemy was NEVER gangsta rap.

I understand NWA's influence in a major rap genre, but their body of work is seriously limited.

LL was just as influential. LL was one of the first rappers who had crossover success. LL was relevant to rap for nearly 25 years. LL was the biggest star in rap for five years.

LL was also a better rapper than anyone in NWA (though LL vs. Cube would have a heavyweight championship level battle).

I think "I'm Bad" and "I need love" have had better longevity than any of the NWA songs.

F*** the Police is more of a legend than a good song.

Gangsta gangsta, express yourself, I ain't the one, and straight outta Compton were all better songs.

On that same note, what's your opinion on Nirvana?

Limited body of work...their legacy possibly elevated due to Kurt offing himself...but still considered one of the great influences on a particular genre, much like NWA.

Never listened to them.

I just know "Smells like teen spirit."

I listened to NWA and LL.

Just making it a long time doesn't make someone worthy. Master P has twelve albums.

Plus LL was just as influential. We are talking LL, not the Fat Boys.

LL was one of the first stars in rap's infancy. Before LL, there was Run-DMC and Kurtis Blow as far as huge rap stars.

Does 2 Live Crew deserve entry? They have one song known by the mainstream and just as many news clippings as NWA.

What about Too $hort?

(10-17-2013 02:45 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 12:29 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 12:06 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  RapPolka is not music IMO. Call it an art form if you wish, or poetry, or whatever other entertainment category it may fit. But it ain't music.

You may now flame away at will.

FIFY

BTW... Your comment is like you saying "Gay porn is not porn."

Just because you don't like and don't watch doesn't mean it doesn't qualify.

Rappers vocals IMO are no different than the vocals on some blues or country songs. If you don't like the backing music or the choruses that I components of music songs, cool. But if you don't think it's music, why don't you study it and listen to how it must fit in frames that music uses.

So is "Green Onions" not music either OMG? The few words in it aren't sung.

I've never watched 'gay porn' so I can't agree or disagree with your analogy. However, my opinion of rap remains the same.

And what rap have you listened to?

I don't like country, doesn't mean it would be logical for me to say country isn't music.

(10-17-2013 02:52 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 02:45 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 12:29 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(10-17-2013 12:06 PM)oldmangrizz Wrote:  RapPolka is not music IMO. Call it an art form if you wish, or poetry, or whatever other entertainment category it may fit. But it ain't music.

You may now flame away at will.

FIFY

BTW... Your comment is like you saying "Gay porn is not porn."

Just because you don't like and don't watch doesn't mean it doesn't qualify.

Rappers vocals IMO are no different than the vocals on some blues or country songs. If you don't like the backing music or the choruses that I components of music songs, cool. But if you don't think it's music, why don't you study it and listen to how it must fit in frames that music uses.

So is "Green Onions" not music either OMG? The few words in it aren't sung.

I've never watched 'gay porn' so I can't agree or disagree with your analogy. However, my opinion of rap remains the same.

And what rap have you listened to?

I don't like country, doesn't mean it would be logical for me to say country isn't music.

50 Cent, Snoop Dogg, Kanye West, Eminem, Busta Rhymes, and some others that I can't remember the names. I've given it a chance because of it's popularity. None of it fits my definition of music. It's immensely popular, but I categorize it as an entirely different art form from music. Apparently you don't. That's fine. I would imagine there are numerous other differences we have. It makes the world go round.

(10-17-2013 02:23 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Green, Public Enemy was NEVER gangsta rap.

I understand NWA's influence in a major rap genre, but their body of work is seriously limited.

LL was just as influential. LL was one of the first rappers who had crossover success. LL was relevant to rap for nearly 25 years. LL was the biggest star in rap for five years.

LL was also a better rapper than anyone in NWA (though LL vs. Cube would have a heavyweight championship level battle).

I think "I'm Bad" and "I need love" have had better longevity than any of the NWA songs.

F*** the Police is more of a legend than a good song.

Gangsta gangsta, express yourself, I ain't the one, and straight outta Compton were all better songs.

You're right; Public Enemy was politically-motivated....I'll call them 'hardcore rap,' then, but you get where I was going with that. It was rap that made much tougher statements about things than what had previously been heard by the mainstream.

As for LL, yes, he's important - yes, he's had a more successful career (musically speaking) than NWA, and people more experienced than I can speak to his rapping abilities vs. Ice Cube (but I'd love to see that).

However, NWA was part of a group of rappers that literally created an entire sub-genre that shaped the music business for most of the 90's...I was smack in the middle of all that, selling Priority Records hand over fist. Those were fun times - I can still remember "The Chronic"'s catalog number - Priority 57128. Then it all started devolving after the first couple of Master P/No Limit years.