(10-12-2013 09:42 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Amen.

And yes, ACC fans can relax and breathe. The pressure is off as well as the bullseye.

Your champion, ESPN, has come through for you.

Our champion? I have a pinned thread on the ACC board here titled SECSPN ... an ongoing list of my slurping grievances with the worldwide "leader".

(10-12-2013 09:42 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 09:35 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 09:24 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  There are three large dynamics working against anybody in the ACC leaving to the SEC.


1) GoR

2) Long term revenue potential. By 2050, half the country will live in the ACC footprint. There aren't many TV sets in Mississippi. Even a low pick up rate through the ACC football is still bank if the ACC operates its own channel (which it is in the process of doing).

3) If you are serious about academics -- and holding your athletes to those same academic standards -- you are playing each week with two hands tied behind your back. You will have to lower your standards or you will never be successful.

All valid points. As I stated on the CN&CR board I think the ACC is in for the long haul as a P4 conference. I don't believe that is the case for the Big 12. Personally having a healthy ACC is probably the best case scenario for the SEC's long term future anyway. You guys are the best buffer we can have to insulate the components upon which the SEC thrives and the two conferences have a good working relationship.

I do believe however that just as it was beneficial for Texas not to be so concentrated that North Carolina as a state could stand to lose two of its top 5 programs to bring more balance to the ACC by permitting its remaining state schools to concentrate talent and allow a couple of growth slots for an ACC footprint should a network come to fruition. Supporting 4 schools even in a conference of 16 means 1/4 of the asset allocation is in one state and that's not balance.

Right now SEC fans probably need to realize that it is everyone's interest to pitch in and locate the Big 12 teams elsewhere. The elimination of that conference would make the playoff format very amenable to 4 champions, and their slice of the pie would actually net all remaining schools in the P4 a little over 1 million more per year.

Amen.

And yes, ACC fans can relax and breathe. The pressure is off as well as the bullseye.

Your champion, ESPN, has come through for you.

Agreed. But the solution for the problem means that each conference has to take a normally non preferential school with one they would like to have. That includes the Big 10 and SEC. Taking Kansas and Oklahoma for the Big 10 is just as unacceptable to working this out as Kansas and Oklahoma to the SEC or Texas and Oklahoma to the PAC.

(10-12-2013 09:50 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 09:42 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Amen.

And yes, ACC fans can relax and breathe. The pressure is off as well as the bullseye.

Your champion, ESPN, has come through for you.

Our champion? I have a pinned thread on the ACC board here titled SECSPN ... an ongoing list of my slurping grievances with the worldwide "leader".

Yep, I've read it. Much of it is legit, and some of it is just misdirected ACC angst, IMO.

(10-12-2013 09:50 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 09:42 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Amen.

And yes, ACC fans can relax and breathe. The pressure is off as well as the bullseye.

Your champion, ESPN, has come through for you.

Our champion? I have a pinned thread on the ACC board here titled SECSPN ... an ongoing list of my slurping grievances with the worldwide "leader".

Yes, the GoR and promised options of either the pay boost or conference network definitely kept the ACC together. Gripe all you want about how much ESPN helps out the SEC, they definitely helped out the ACC.

(10-11-2013 09:28 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 09:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 08:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  UNC wasn't leaning SEC. Their fans were.

He1nous the talks had reached the point where Slive had agreed to take Duke as their partner if it happened. Virginia at that point would likely have gone Big 10.

And yet, UNC didn't move. They had complete fan and alumni support for the move and yet they still didn't move.

That is why one can surmise that the folks in charge did not want to move to the SEC. Overwhelming negativity towards a move to the Big Ten certainly put a kibosh on any such talks but what reasoning is there for not moving to the SEC? Admin was worried, fans were all about a move to the SEC. Many big names within the Tarheel hierarchy were worried and were advising a move to either the Big Ten or the SEC. Why exactly didn't UNC move to the SEC?

The only reasonable option is that it would seem Admin and Faculty were against the move and that left the ACC to be solidified.

I am not attacking the quality of the SEC in this, I am not taking a Big Ten vs SEC stance in terms of arguing "UNC loves us more". I would say UNC probably loved the idea of continuing with having the Conference Commissioner of the Conference they belong to being a UNC guy.

There were too many cultural issues in the end for a move to either the Big Ten or SEC and thus the ACC was solidified.

This is absolutely correct.
The admin and faculty would have chosen the B1G if a move were to have been made, BUT we decided that our situation was unique in the world of college athletics/academics and decided to keep the ACC alive regardless of consequences.

(10-11-2013 09:40 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If anyone leaves the ACC, it will be Clemson and FSU. But that won't happen until sometime after their GoR expires, if at all...

You might think that Clemson is always ready to bolt the ACC for the SEC if you listen to their fans, but think about this for a second...............
In what state, other than South Carolina can you find where the Ag/Engineering school has a 50 point advantage in the US News ranking (#62 vs. #112) over the state's flagship institution?
Don't ever think that this is not HUGE!
Nobody at Clemson will ever do ANYTHING that will jeopardize that advantage even to the detriment of their athletic program.

(10-12-2013 01:28 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 09:28 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 09:13 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 08:26 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  UNC wasn't leaning SEC. Their fans were.

He1nous the talks had reached the point where Slive had agreed to take Duke as their partner if it happened. Virginia at that point would likely have gone Big 10.

And yet, UNC didn't move. They had complete fan and alumni support for the move and yet they still didn't move.

That is why one can surmise that the folks in charge did not want to move to the SEC. Overwhelming negativity towards a move to the Big Ten certainly put a kibosh on any such talks but what reasoning is there for not moving to the SEC? Admin was worried, fans were all about a move to the SEC. Many big names within the Tarheel hierarchy were worried and were advising a move to either the Big Ten or the SEC. Why exactly didn't UNC move to the SEC?

The only reasonable option is that it would seem Admin and Faculty were against the move and that left the ACC to be solidified.

I am not attacking the quality of the SEC in this, I am not taking a Big Ten vs SEC stance in terms of arguing "UNC loves us more". I would say UNC probably loved the idea of continuing with having the Conference Commissioner of the Conference they belong to being a UNC guy.

There were too many cultural issues in the end for a move to either the Big Ten or SEC and thus the ACC was solidified.

This is absolutely correct.
The admin and faculty would have chosen the B1G if a move were to have been made, BUT we decided that our situation was unique in the world of college athletics/academics and decided to keep the ACC alive regardless of consequences.

Maybe that happens, but if it would have it would have been contrary to the communications that were released, and contrary to what was being discussed in the SEC.

(10-12-2013 01:50 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 09:40 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  If anyone leaves the ACC, it will be Clemson and FSU. But that won't happen until sometime after their GoR expires, if at all...

You might think that Clemson is always ready to bolt the ACC for the SEC if you listen to their fans, but think about this for a second...............
In what state, other than South Carolina can you find where the Ag/Engineering school has a 50 point advantage in the US News ranking (#62 vs. #112) over the state's flagship institution?
Don't ever think that this is not HUGE!
Nobody at Clemson will ever do ANYTHING that will jeopardize that advantage even to the detriment of their athletic program.

Perhaps. It's going to be interesting to see what happens when the GoRs are coming up for renewal...

(10-12-2013 09:24 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  There are three large dynamics working against anybody in the ACC leaving to the SEC.


1) GoR

2) Long term revenue potential. By 2050, half the country will live in the ACC footprint. There aren't many TV sets in Mississippi. Even a low pick up rate through the ACC football is still bank if the ACC operates its own channel (which it is in the process of doing).

3) If you are serious about academics -- and holding your athletes to those same academic standards -- you are playing each week with two hands tied behind your back. You will have to lower your standards or you will never be successful.

There is that pesky ACCN issue. If that falls apart, money talks, and SEC money might turn the tables.

(10-12-2013 01:50 PM)XLance Wrote:  In what state, other than South Carolina can you find where the Ag/Engineering school has a 50 point advantage in the US News ranking (#62 vs. #112) over the state's flagship institution?

While maybe not to the line of the USN&WR rankings (which are pretty crappy as a metric anyway) ... I'd argue the chasm is larger in several states.

Georgia (GT > U(sic)GA)
Massachusetts (MIT > UMASS)
Pennsylvania (Carnegie Mellon & Penn > Penn State)
California (Cal Tech & Stanford > UC-Berkeley .... which is incredibly overrated due to infinite bs liberal arts majors)
New York (Cornell > SUNY-* and or NYU-*)
Maryland (Johns Hopkins > UMD)
Texas (Rice > Texas)

GTS,

I think the only applicable one on your list is GT to UGA as every one is a private school over a flagship univ. Though I think UAB might enjoy a similar status over 'Bama.

(10-15-2013 07:27 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  GTS,

I think the only applicable one on your list is GT to UGA as every one is a private school over a flagship univ. Though I think UAB might enjoy a similar status over 'Bama.

Agreed Emory > Georgia Tech > Georgia

UAB has the medical school, other than that it has very little.

(10-15-2013 01:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  UAB has the medical school, other than that it has very little.

Let me tell you, that is one hell of a med school and med center too. I sent a lot of patients there who no other med center would even take a chance on. They perform miracles there. Took great care of our military community.

(10-15-2013 02:00 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 01:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  UAB has the medical school, other than that it has very little.

Let me tell you, that is one hell of a med school and med center too. I sent a lot of patients there who no other med center would even take a chance on. They perform miracles there. Took great care of our military community.

This will make me sound like an ambulance chaser, which I promise I'm not, but I've been there many times and its as impressive as you'll find anywhere.

(10-15-2013 02:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 02:00 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 01:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  UAB has the medical school, other than that it has very little.

Let me tell you, that is one hell of a med school and med center too. I sent a lot of patients there who no other med center would even take a chance on. They perform miracles there. Took great care of our military community.

This will make me sound like an ambulance chaser, which I promise I'm not, but I've been there many times and its as impressive as you'll find anywhere.

I was passing through Birmingham this weekend with my girlfriend and just happened to pass right by it on the way to the Civil Rights district. We were both in awe of how immense and fantastic it looked on the exterior, and we are both accustomed to Vanderbilt. UAB's facility is a site to behold.

(10-15-2013 03:00 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 02:33 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 02:00 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(10-15-2013 01:12 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  UAB has the medical school, other than that it has very little.

Let me tell you, that is one hell of a med school and med center too. I sent a lot of patients there who no other med center would even take a chance on. They perform miracles there. Took great care of our military community.

This will make me sound like an ambulance chaser, which I promise I'm not, but I've been there many times and its as impressive as you'll find anywhere.

I was passing through Birmingham this weekend with my girlfriend and just happened to pass right by it on the way to the Civil Rights district. We were both in awe of how immense and fantastic it looked on the exterior, and we are both accustomed to Vanderbilt. UAB's facility is a site to behold.

Vandy Med Center and UAB Med Center were our two biggest and best anchor hospitals for our militaryTRICARE beneficiaries. Vandy is just about as impressive as UAB.

IMO the Vandy Med Center is the best hospital in the south. That's where I got my transplant. It's also where they finally diagnosed the neurological problem making my heart to stop at odd intervals, which led to me passing out behind the wheel 3x. I'm lucky I survived long enough for them to figure out all my medical issues. Amazingly enough, I'm still fully functional, unless you're counting the fact that I have trouble remembering what happened 5 minutes ago...

(10-15-2013 07:58 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  IMO the Vandy Med Center is the best hospital in the south. That's where I got my transplant. It's also where they finally diagnosed the neurological problem making my heart to stop at odd intervals, which led to me passing out behind the wheel 3x. I'm lucky I survived long enough for them to figure out all my medical issues. Amazingly enough, I'm still fully functional, unless you're counting the fact that I have trouble remembering what happened 5 minutes ago...

Hell Bit..... I have that problem with my original equipment......

(10-14-2013 02:32 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(10-12-2013 09:24 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  There are three large dynamics working against anybody in the ACC leaving to the SEC.


1) GoR

2) Long term revenue potential. By 2050, half the country will live in the ACC footprint. There aren't many TV sets in Mississippi. Even a low pick up rate through the ACC football is still bank if the ACC operates its own channel (which it is in the process of doing).

3) If you are serious about academics -- and holding your athletes to those same academic standards -- you are playing each week with two hands tied behind your back. You will have to lower your standards or you will never be successful.

There is that pesky ACCN issue. If that falls apart, money talks, and SEC money might turn the tables.

I think I've been approaching the next catalyst for realignment incorrectly (or maybe just not listening to you guys if its been mentioned). Without an AACN, there is no way they are going to be anywhere close to the other three when it comes to distribution. In the TV networks opinions, the value just isn't there. Thus the question for FOX/ESPN is what is more valuable, stability or low overhead?

Without a conference network, a GOR is simply kicking the can down the road. In ten years, the distribution inequities will rear their head once again and the solutions won't be that dissimilar than they are right now:

1. Renegotiate the distributions of the ACC/B12 to B1G/SEC/PAC levels.

2. Part out either the ACC/B12 to create a P4 worthy of a network.

3. Part out both the ACC/B12 to create a P3.

4. Create a combined network for both the ACC/B12.

If you are running FOX/ESPN, which solution would you choose?