(10-11-2013 05:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I don't think it will happen. But I think we may have reached the point where the divisions are so great that we would be better off if it did. I look at the splits that some have proposed, and my first reaction is that I would rather live in EITHER of the post-split countries than in the one that this is becoming.
I don't see any way things get better from here. I think we just fight more and more as we fall further down the tubes.
My view generally matches your view, however I think we'll reach a tipping point at some point. Washington can't govern the states effectively anymore. Regional identity divisions are growing. Political differences are widening. Most importantly, we're going bankrupt. It happened to Rome, the USSR, and pretty much every nation in history. I don't think we're "special" or avoid a breakup.
I'm just glad the NSA is watching you lunatics. You are dangerous & should turn of Rush for a while
I'm not a lunatic, I'm not dangerous, and I haven't listened to Rush in years. And I don't appreciate your ad hominem attacks.
If you want to talk about issues, why don't you start by explaining how all this is going to work?
10-11-2013 06:36 AM
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Raising taxes? Or better yet reforming our tax code and we're not going to be revenue neutral. We start taxing. Boehner and Heritage action have gotten their spending cuts. Now we make an Obama rule. For every cut we get a dollar for dollar in revenue. Use Heritage ideas on tax reforms but make sure everyone knows it's not going to be neutral. Every cut to new revenue until we balance the budget.
10-11-2013 06:45 AM
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It used to be tax and spend Democrats. They morphed into borrow and spend Republicans. Who then turned into print and spend Democrats. Enough is enough.
(10-10-2013 08:33 PM)Jerry Falwell Wrote: The President's half-brother got an IRS tax exclusion to train AQ while Tea Parties were stonewalled. He gave weapons to AQ to fight in Syria.
Civil Wat era levels? Bet the farm.
...sure... um...er...that happened
Just because you say it didn't happen, doesn't make it false. The IRS form is on the link, since I'm sure you'll discredit the source.
Quote:But let's go back to 2011, when Ms. Lerner personally gave Malik Obama and the "Barack H. Obama Foundation" a shady charity headed by the president's half-brother that operated illegally for years; full tax exempt status within one month, an unprecedentedly short time for any organization to receive tax exempt status . Not only did Lerner fast track the paperwork, but made it retroactive back to 2008 . Now how can that be? For example, the group's 990 filings for 2008 and 2009 were submitted to the IRS on May 30, 2011, and its 2010 filing was submitted on May 23, 2011. Lerner signed the group's approval [pdf] on June 26, 2011.
Not only is this extremely questionable, but consider the timing, while there are TEA Party groups still waiting for their tax exempt status and who filed before Malik did.
Malik Obama has a shady background as well, with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. In a WND article, it is clearly laid out, and Freedom Outpost also made mention of Obama's direct connection with the Muslim Brotherhood.
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2013 07:16 AM by Jerry Falwell.)
(10-10-2013 09:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: We'll let you guys keep the trailer parks and double wides. I don't know what us blue staters will do. How can we go on missing out on all that red state culture? The creationism museum. All the best Nascar tracks? Well I guess we can still claim Daytona. Florida stays blue.
Mach - I live in your state and would prefer it go Red state. If not, we'll chop Ohio above Columbus. Cleveland can be blue - but the rest will be Red.
10-11-2013 07:14 AM
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Creb, Southern Ohio has been raiding blue state Ohio revenue for generations. If you get your wish you'll be West Virginia in an eye blink. Travel over to Wheeling W. Va. Check out the clientele in the Casino on the Ohio river. That's your future.
This is what will happen as the cities continue to impose themselves on everyone else that just wants to be left alone. Government is better closest to the people. Your town is better than your county. which is better than your state, which is better than the federal government, which is better than the United Nations. I hope those Colorado, California and Maryland counties are successful. As long as their laws are constitutional, who is anyone to stop them from self determination?
(10-11-2013 07:19 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Creb, Southern Ohio has been raiding blue state Ohio revenue for generations. If you get your wish you'll be West Virginia in an eye blink. Travel over to Wheeling W. Va. Check out the clientele in the Casino on the Ohio river. That's your future.
Being from VA, I know a lot of people from WV. They seem to be happier than people from VA, albeit less affluent. Who cares? Nothing is going to get better anywhere until we stop worshiping the almighty dollar.
(10-11-2013 05:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I don't think it will happen. But I think we may have reached the point where the divisions are so great that we would be better off if it did. I look at the splits that some have proposed, and my first reaction is that I would rather live in EITHER of the post-split countries than in the one that this is becoming.
I don't see any way things get better from here. I think we just fight more and more as we fall further down the tubes.
My view generally matches your view, however I think we'll reach a tipping point at some point. Washington can't govern the states effectively anymore. Regional identity divisions are growing. Political differences are widening. Most importantly, we're going bankrupt. It happened to Rome, the USSR, and pretty much every nation in history. I don't think we're "special" or avoid a breakup.
I'm just glad the NSA is watching you lunatics. You are dangerous & should turn of Rush for a while
I'm not a lunatic, I'm not dangerous, and I haven't listened to Rush in years. And I don't appreciate your ad hominem attacks.
If you want to talk about issues, why don't you start by explaining how all this is going to work?
Thoughts of secession are pure lunacy and they are in fact dangerous. I will defer to history on the results of your insurrection of a rag tag minority like the Tea Party. Your usage of "ad hominem attacks" reveals you as a Hannity listener (either that or a douche bag)
(10-11-2013 05:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I don't think it will happen. But I think we may have reached the point where the divisions are so great that we would be better off if it did. I look at the splits that some have proposed, and my first reaction is that I would rather live in EITHER of the post-split countries than in the one that this is becoming.
I don't see any way things get better from here. I think we just fight more and more as we fall further down the tubes.
My view generally matches your view, however I think we'll reach a tipping point at some point. Washington can't govern the states effectively anymore. Regional identity divisions are growing. Political differences are widening. Most importantly, we're going bankrupt. It happened to Rome, the USSR, and pretty much every nation in history. I don't think we're "special" or avoid a breakup.
I'm just glad the NSA is watching you lunatics. You are dangerous & should turn of Rush for a while
I'm not a lunatic, I'm not dangerous, and I haven't listened to Rush in years. And I don't appreciate your ad hominem attacks.
If you want to talk about issues, why don't you start by explaining how all this is going to work?
Thoughts of secession are pure lunacy and they are in fact dangerous. I will defer to history on the results of your insurrection of a rag tag minority like the Tea Party. Your usage of "ad hominem attacks" reveals you as a Hannity listener (either that or a douche bag)
You realize this is about some counties within certain states forming their own states, right? This has nothing to do with states seceding from the union. Did you read the article? Your precedence history is Maine, Vermont, Kentucky, and West Virginia.
(10-10-2013 09:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote: We'll let you guys keep the trailer parks and double wides. I don't know what us blue staters will do. How can we go on missing out on the that red state culture? The creationism museum. All the best Nascar tracks? Well I guess we can still claim Daytona. Florida stays blue.
You just highlighted the sectionalism at the heart of the conversation; thank you.
It is funny how spiteful leftists are. And it's amusing to see how arrogant low IQ people can be.
We are not going to split. There is though nothing particularly special about our current paradigm and nothing says we would not be better off doing so.
(10-11-2013 05:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I don't think it will happen. But I think we may have reached the point where the divisions are so great that we would be better off if it did. I look at the splits that some have proposed, and my first reaction is that I would rather live in EITHER of the post-split countries than in the one that this is becoming.
I don't see any way things get better from here. I think we just fight more and more as we fall further down the tubes.
My view generally matches your view, however I think we'll reach a tipping point at some point. Washington can't govern the states effectively anymore. Regional identity divisions are growing. Political differences are widening. Most importantly, we're going bankrupt. It happened to Rome, the USSR, and pretty much every nation in history. I don't think we're "special" or avoid a breakup.
I'm just glad the NSA is watching you lunatics. You are dangerous & should turn of Rush for a while
I'm not a lunatic, I'm not dangerous, and I haven't listened to Rush in years. And I don't appreciate your ad hominem attacks.
If you want to talk about issues, why don't you start by explaining how all this is going to work?
Thoughts of secession are pure lunacy and they are in fact dangerous. I will defer to history on the results of your insurrection of a rag tag minority like the Tea Party. Your usage of "ad hominem attacks" reveals you as a Hannity listener (either that or a douche bag)
Historical evidence world wide would dispute your claim that secessionism is lunacy. It is in fact the norm.
(10-11-2013 05:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I don't think it will happen. But I think we may have reached the point where the divisions are so great that we would be better off if it did. I look at the splits that some have proposed, and my first reaction is that I would rather live in EITHER of the post-split countries than in the one that this is becoming.
I don't see any way things get better from here. I think we just fight more and more as we fall further down the tubes.
My view generally matches your view, however I think we'll reach a tipping point at some point. Washington can't govern the states effectively anymore. Regional identity divisions are growing. Political differences are widening. Most importantly, we're going bankrupt. It happened to Rome, the USSR, and pretty much every nation in history. I don't think we're "special" or avoid a breakup.
I'm just glad the NSA is watching you lunatics. You are dangerous & should turn of Rush for a while
and I thought Liberals were against the government subverting civil liberties? Evidently that only applies to them now.
(10-11-2013 05:59 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Or....... The GOP can change so they are tolerated by the electorate again...... That's a thought.
What I'd prefer to see is for BOTH parties to change to where I could tolerate either one. Because right now I have no use for either. Stupid party versus evil party.
This. The two party paradigm is a failure today. Both sides are too busy buying votes to actually get the businesses of the nation done.
(10-11-2013 05:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I don't think it will happen. But I think we may have reached the point where the divisions are so great that we would be better off if it did. I look at the splits that some have proposed, and my first reaction is that I would rather live in EITHER of the post-split countries than in the one that this is becoming.
I don't see any way things get better from here. I think we just fight more and more as we fall further down the tubes.
My view generally matches your view, however I think we'll reach a tipping point at some point. Washington can't govern the states effectively anymore. Regional identity divisions are growing. Political differences are widening. Most importantly, we're going bankrupt. It happened to Rome, the USSR, and pretty much every nation in history. I don't think we're "special" or avoid a breakup.
I'm just glad the NSA is watching you lunatics. You are dangerous & should turn of Rush for a while
and I thought Liberals were against the government subverting civil liberties? Evidently that only applies to them now.
There you go generalizing again. Peanut's comment was idiotic. The NSA needs to be abolished.
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2013 08:17 AM by mathenis89.)
(10-11-2013 05:56 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: I don't think it will happen. But I think we may have reached the point where the divisions are so great that we would be better off if it did. I look at the splits that some have proposed, and my first reaction is that I would rather live in EITHER of the post-split countries than in the one that this is becoming.
I don't see any way things get better from here. I think we just fight more and more as we fall further down the tubes.
My view generally matches your view, however I think we'll reach a tipping point at some point. Washington can't govern the states effectively anymore. Regional identity divisions are growing. Political differences are widening. Most importantly, we're going bankrupt. It happened to Rome, the USSR, and pretty much every nation in history. I don't think we're "special" or avoid a breakup.
I'm just glad the NSA is watching you lunatics. You are dangerous & should turn of Rush for a while
I'm not a lunatic, I'm not dangerous, and I haven't listened to Rush in years. And I don't appreciate your ad hominem attacks.
If you want to talk about issues, why don't you start by explaining how all this is going to work?
Thoughts of secession are pure lunacy and they are in fact dangerous. I will defer to history on the results of your insurrection of a rag tag minority like the Tea Party. Your usage of "ad hominem attacks" reveals you as a Hannity listener (either that or a douche bag)
Or, he is just knows what the words mean, which you apparently don't.
History has shown that only III% of an armed populace can successfully secede (minus the US Civil War obviously).
All it would take is carefully planning to reduce the number of politicians by a small group. Taking out the media centers would be the first place to start. I am a genius, but it doesn't take one to figure out a plan.
(This post was last modified: 10-11-2013 08:55 AM by Jerry Falwell.)
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Pat Buchanan: Is red state America seceding?
