(10-11-2013 11:28 AM)MTowho Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 11:04 AM)Ragu Wrote:  So how many spots are we locked into each year? Disappointing that we can't anchor a bowl in which a school in our fricken conference plays in its host site.

I'm sure we get a similar deal with the Miami bowl.

I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 of these bowls are rotational shared bowls with no anchor conference.

(10-11-2013 11:04 AM)Ragu Wrote:  So how many spots are we locked into each year? Disappointing that we can't anchor a bowl in which a school in our fricken conference plays in its host site.

See Sun Bowl, El Paso. See BBVA Compass Bowl, Birmingham. See Alamo Bowl, San Antonio.

Wow... being at a stadium of a member and having pitched the idea, I thought for sure that CUSA would be an anchor. We've gone from owning two to just a rotational player everywhere. I'm disappointed in today's announcement.

The AAC is the anchor in Miami (vs. Go5), St Pete (vs. P5 & us), Birmingham (vs. P5), and Annapolis (vs. P5)... but also has squeezed out equal rotations in Boca (vs. Go5), Dallas (vs. P5 & us), and Hawaii (vs. Go5). Crazy - it initially looked like they were going to be nearly shut out and now they have the strongest Go5 slate and promise more bowl announcements coming.

(10-11-2013 12:27 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Wow... being at a stadium of a member and having pitched the idea, I thought for sure that CUSA would be an anchor. We've gone from owning two to just a rotational player everywhere. I'm disappointed in today's announcement.

The AAC is the anchor in Miami (vs. Go5), St Pete (vs. P5 & us), Birmingham (vs. P5), and Annapolis (vs. P5)... but also has squeezed out equal rotations in Boca (vs. Go5), Dallas (vs. P5 & us), and Hawaii (vs. Go5). Crazy - it initially looked like they were going to be nearly shut out and now they have the strongest Go5 slate and promise more bowl announcements coming.

Not welcome here.

(10-11-2013 12:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 11:28 AM)MTowho Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 11:04 AM)Ragu Wrote:  So how many spots are we locked into each year? Disappointing that we can't anchor a bowl in which a school in our fricken conference plays in its host site.

I'm sure we get a similar deal with the Miami bowl.

I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 of these bowls are rotational shared bowls with no anchor conference.

well according to Brett McMurphy on ESPN.com... that will not be the case... the American will anchor the Marlins bowl.

Quote:The Miami Bowl, created by the American Athletic Conference, is expected to be held at Marlins Park, home of the Miami Marlins. The American Athletic will be the "anchor" conference, and its opponent would come from the other four non-power leagues, a source said.

Click >>> For the rest of McMurphy's piece on Miami, Bahamas, and Boca

(10-11-2013 12:27 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Wow... being at a stadium of a member and having pitched the idea, I thought for sure that CUSA would be an anchor. We've gone from owning two to just a rotational player everywhere. I'm disappointed in today's announcement.

The AAC is the anchor in Miami (vs. Go5), St Pete (vs. P5 & us), Birmingham (vs. P5), and Annapolis (vs. P5)... but also has squeezed out equal rotations in Boca (vs. Go5), Dallas (vs. P5 & us), and Hawaii (vs. Go5). Crazy - it initially looked like they were going to be nearly shut out and now they have the strongest Go5 slate and promise more bowl announcements coming.

Maybe if your perspective is from North Carolina. From Houston, I see shared bowls in Dallas/Fort Worth for the AAC, and then the next closest bowl is in Alabama. C-USA has the same Dallas/Fort Worth share plus New Orleans, Albuquerque, and the back-up in Shreveport. From the West, I like C-USA better.

I wish someone would outline what our bowl lineups look like for 2014...I am confussed on what conf. is going where...For the west, CUSA definitely did well, the east not so much....Hopefully some other bowls closer to East schools will not be able to fill their slots with P5 teams and we can sneak in some bowls that way.....

Here's the SI headline...

MAC announces creation of Boca Raton Bowl beginning in 2014

I can't ever recall a home stadium of a conference hosting a bowl and not having a representative from that conference. Maybe the Hawaii Bowl, but that's all that's coming to mind.

Our bowl lineup as announced so far is:

Heart of Dallas/Armed Forces (3 Years Each)
Beef O Brady's/Hawaii (3 Years Each)
New Mexico (All 6 Years)
New Orleans (All 6 Years)
Boca Raton (4 out of 6 Years)

Backup agreement with Independence Bowl


I would assume that the other two years we aren't playing in the Boca Bowl will be Miami/Bahamas related, maybe just Miami. If it's just two years in Miami, I bet we get a 3 years or so in Bahamas. Originally it had been announced that it would be CUSA vs. MAC in the Bahamas, but that's clearly not the case anymore.

Looks like we'll have around 5.5 primary ties.

(10-11-2013 01:03 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 12:27 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Wow... being at a stadium of a member and having pitched the idea, I thought for sure that CUSA would be an anchor. We've gone from owning two to just a rotational player everywhere. I'm disappointed in today's announcement.

The AAC is the anchor in Miami (vs. Go5), St Pete (vs. P5 & us), Birmingham (vs. P5), and Annapolis (vs. P5)... but also has squeezed out equal rotations in Boca (vs. Go5), Dallas (vs. P5 & us), and Hawaii (vs. Go5). Crazy - it initially looked like they were going to be nearly shut out and now they have the strongest Go5 slate and promise more bowl announcements coming.

Maybe if your perspective is from North Carolina. From Houston, I see shared bowls in Dallas/Fort Worth for the AAC, and then the next closest bowl is in Alabama. C-USA has the same Dallas/Fort Worth share plus New Orleans, Albuquerque, and the back-up in Shreveport. From the West, I like C-USA better.

Agree totally. That's why I was not happy when we didn't really make much of play for the New Orleans Bowl. No, its not the Sugar Bowl, but its a fun little bowl that fans from Texas can easily drive to. The AAC needed at least one of those in the west. Instead, we acted like we have 9 teams in Florida.

(10-11-2013 01:03 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  Maybe if your perspective is from North Carolina. From Houston, I see shared bowls in Dallas/Fort Worth for the AAC, and then the next closest bowl is in Alabama. C-USA has the same Dallas/Fort Worth share plus New Orleans, Albuquerque, and the back-up in Shreveport. From the West, I like C-USA better.

You are missing the point from a CUSA perspective on a CUSA board - WE OWNED one of those Texas bowls and had an agreement with the other and lost control of it and are now just rotating into a couple now. We also created/pitched the Boca Bowl and now just a rotating partner -- so obviously its disappointing to have a lesser slate of games and opponents than the AAC.

As for Houston... the American only has 2 teams (Houston & SMU) west of the Mississippi River currently and it'll add a third in Tulsa... It has already announced yearly access to at least one bowl west of the Mississippi (rotating the armed forces & hawaii) and potential still exists for other single rotating slots available. Quit whining there is only 1 bowl near the four mid-atlantic and northern members too!

(10-11-2013 01:51 PM)MTowho Wrote:  Our bowl lineup as announced so far is:

Heart of Dallas/Armed Forces (3 Years Each)
Beef O Brady's/Hawaii (3 Years Each)
New Mexico (All 6 Years)
New Orleans (All 6 Years)
Boca Raton (4 out of 6 Years)

Backup agreement with Independence Bowl


I would assume that the other two years we aren't playing in the Boca Bowl will be Miami/Bahamas related, maybe just Miami. If it's just two years in Miami, I bet we get a 3 years or so in Bahamas. Originally it had been announced that it would be CUSA vs. MAC in the Bahamas, but that's clearly not the case anymore.
Looks like we'll have around 5.5 primary ties.

I think you're right on the money here. Sounds like the AAC/MAC/CUSA worked on these 3 bowls to switch them around. Avoids burnout (Been to the same place 3 times in a row) but still gives access to S. Florida as a destination for 6 of thier teams each year. And as someone said the ideal situation for AAC and CUSA would to be have a Florida team in 2 (if not all 3) bowls to help attendance and have another from out of town to help with Hotel/travel considerations.

Its an innovative idea that bucks the tradition of X and Y go here, except if Y cannot, then Z attends. This allows the confrences and ESPN to determine the "best" matchup from a travel/attendance/TV perspecitve. I have no idea if it will work but it certainly is creative.

As a new comer to all of this, I don't see C-USA in much of a position to be dictating bowl terms. Let's start winning some friggin football games, then maybe things start falling our way. Right now we are at or near the bottom of the conference pecking order. What leverage do we really have?

(10-11-2013 05:26 AM)fauowls561 Wrote:  

(10-10-2013 10:20 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(10-10-2013 10:07 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  Lil further information.

Dieter Kurtenbach ‏@dkurtenbach 1h

C-USA will be the anchor of the Boca Bowl. MAC and AAC will provide the opponent.

Reads between the lines, they'd like a FIU/FAU vs UCF/USF matchup.

Actually, they'd probably prefer out of town teams. The bowl exists to promote tourism to the area. The best case for FAU/Boca Raton would be for FAU to be good enough to get to a different bowl game and to get 2 teams who will each bring 10,000-15,000 visitors to stay in hotels and spend money for a week.

Yep...this is the annual Sun Bowl's goal...out of town visitors...

(10-11-2013 01:51 PM)MTowho Wrote:  Our bowl lineup as announced so far is:

Heart of Dallas/Armed Forces (3 Years Each)
Beef O Brady's/Hawaii (3 Years Each)
New Mexico (All 6 Years)
New Orleans (All 6 Years)
Boca Raton (4 out of 6 Years)

Backup agreement with Independence Bowl


I would assume that the other two years we aren't playing in the Boca Bowl will be Miami/Bahamas related, maybe just Miami. If it's just two years in Miami, I bet we get a 3 years or so in Bahamas. Originally it had been announced that it would be CUSA vs. MAC in the Bahamas, but that's clearly not the case anymore.

Looks like we'll have around 5.5 primary ties.

Not enough bowls for a 14 team conference. We certainly don't need to be looking at new additions with this bowl lineup in place. I'm not happy about rotating in the HOD bowl either. I have no idea why we agreed to that. And, why are we rotating in the Boca Bowl? What did we get from the other conferences that made sharing it a good idea?

(10-11-2013 08:33 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 01:51 PM)MTowho Wrote:  Our bowl lineup as announced so far is:

Heart of Dallas/Armed Forces (3 Years Each)
Beef O Brady's/Hawaii (3 Years Each)
New Mexico (All 6 Years)
New Orleans (All 6 Years)
Boca Raton (4 out of 6 Years)

Backup agreement with Independence Bowl


I would assume that the other two years we aren't playing in the Boca Bowl will be Miami/Bahamas related, maybe just Miami. If it's just two years in Miami, I bet we get a 3 years or so in Bahamas. Originally it had been announced that it would be CUSA vs. MAC in the Bahamas, but that's clearly not the case anymore.

Looks like we'll have around 5.5 primary ties.

Not enough bowls for a 14 team conference. We certainly don't need to be looking at new additions with this bowl lineup in place. I'm not happy about rotating in the HOD bowl either. I have no idea why we agreed to that. And, why are we rotating in the Boca Bowl? What did we get from the other conferences that made sharing it a good idea?

I would agree, but as long as we secure a few backup deals, they're pretty much guaranteed to be open in most seasons. Six primary deals would be ideal. I'm fine with rotating Boca/Miami/Bahamas if it equals two full tie ins over the six year period, as that was what we had assumed (Previous info had us hosting Boca and Bahamas) until the announcements made in the past few days. Now it looks more like 1.5 ties instead of 2, which is a little disappointing.

I like the rotating concept in general. It will keep teams from competing in the same bowl every season, even if they do go to the same general area two years in a row. For example, if UNT was bowl eligible for two straight seasons, HoD one year and Armed Forces the next wouldn't be awful - and would provide two different experiences instead of the same one twice.

(10-11-2013 02:26 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 01:03 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  Maybe if your perspective is from North Carolina. From Houston, I see shared bowls in Dallas/Fort Worth for the AAC, and then the next closest bowl is in Alabama. C-USA has the same Dallas/Fort Worth share plus New Orleans, Albuquerque, and the back-up in Shreveport. From the West, I like C-USA better.

You are missing the point from a CUSA perspective on a CUSA board - WE OWNED one of those Texas bowls and had an agreement with the other and lost control of it and are now just rotating into a couple now. We also created/pitched the Boca Bowl and now just a rotating partner -- so obviously its disappointing to have a lesser slate of games and opponents than the AAC.

As for Houston... the American only has 2 teams (Houston & SMU) west of the Mississippi River currently and it'll add a third in Tulsa... It has already announced yearly access to at least one bowl west of the Mississippi (rotating the armed forces & hawaii) and potential still exists for other single rotating slots available. Quit whining there is only 1 bowl near the four mid-atlantic and northern members too!

The Hawaii Bowl is in the west, but it is of zero help. It's farther away than any 4 eastern bowls combined. Let me lay it out simply---if only lower tier bowls are available--then close lower tier bowls are much more desirable than far away lower tier bowls. My comment was to merely agree with previous poster that CUSA understood this concept and did a much much better job of catering to thier membership than the AAC that clustered virtually all thier bowls on one coast.

In general I like the idea of rotating the bowl with various conferences, it allows you to pick intriguing matchups. Not CUSA 6 vs MAC 3 for example. Instead of being tied in to something so specific it allows the possibility for better matchups, closer destinations, etc. Honestly I think this will work well and you may start to see other conferences and bowls start to do this in the future.

(10-11-2013 09:22 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 06:54 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(10-11-2013 05:26 AM)fauowls561 Wrote:  

(10-10-2013 10:20 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(10-10-2013 10:07 PM)OwlFamily Wrote:  Lil further information.
Dieter Kurtenbach ‏@dkurtenbach 1h
C-USA will be the anchor of the Boca Bowl. MAC and AAC will provide the opponent.

Reads between the lines, they'd like a FIU/FAU vs UCF/USF matchup.

Actually, they'd probably prefer out of town teams. The bowl exists to promote tourism to the area. The best case for FAU/Boca Raton would be for FAU to be good enough to get to a different bowl game and to get 2 teams who will each bring 10,000-15,000 visitors to stay in hotels and spend money for a week.

Agree, they might like one of the fla teams, for seat sale, but would prefer some one from out of town on the other side. example FIU vs ECU, or FAu vs Memphis.

That's more like it; a Florida school (preferably from S. Fla) v. a team that travels well. If not a S. Fla school then U_F v. a Marshall, MTSU or Southern Miss.

I know Marshall brought a solid 10,000 to the BOB a few years back but you still need a Florida school to fill the seats on the other side.

UCF brought over 20,000 to the bob against Rutgers. Sold out our allotment of 10,000 when we played at the liberty bowl against miss state and bought more in the secondary market. We have had 2 games played off campus at the citrus bowl with crowds over 50k and getting 40k at home isn't a big deal. ESPN doesn't care about local hotels. They don't want an empty stadium. They will be very happy to get UCF in one of these games.

(10-11-2013 02:04 AM)SApuro Wrote:  

(10-10-2013 11:47 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Looks like AAC will end up with something like:

Military Bowl - ACC
Birmingham - SEC
St Pete Bowl - ACC/CUSA
Armed Forces/Hawai'i - B12/MWC
Miami/Marlins - G5 at large
Boca/Bahamas - CUSA

Ouch

Yup, it does suck but it is the best lineup out of the non-power conferences in regards to payouts and opponents. At least we were able to maintain a couple games against the "power" conferences.