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(10-08-2013 02:23 PM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  
(10-08-2013 01:47 PM)Rockketdork Wrote:  Moving to a the new American Conference would be great as far as I'm concerned, one step behind the Big Ten. Trying to think outside the box here.

It's time to go somewhere.

who wants us? when is the last time we won the mac
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(10-10-2013 09:29 AM)joeo58 Wrote:  
(10-08-2013 02:23 PM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  
(10-08-2013 01:47 PM)Rockketdork Wrote:  Moving to a the new American Conference would be great as far as I'm concerned, one step behind the Big Ten. Trying to think outside the box here.

It's time to go somewhere.

who wants us? when is the last time we won the mac

The MAC. 2004.
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(10-10-2013 09:29 AM)joeo58 Wrote:  
(10-08-2013 02:23 PM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  
(10-08-2013 01:47 PM)Rockketdork Wrote:  Moving to a the new American Conference would be great as far as I'm concerned, one step behind the Big Ten. Trying to think outside the box here.

It's time to go somewhere.

who wants us? when is the last time we won the mac

It's not about winning the MAC. It's about fan base. Television markets. Geography. Commitment by the school adminstration. Branding. etc.....
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(10-09-2013 08:08 PM)Rocket Man Wrote:  Moving to a new conference is not the key.

Look at Marshall...boy I bet they wished they would have stayed in the MAC. Also, Boise did just fine in the WAC. They dominated and made a name for themselves.

GO ROCKETS!!! GO MAC!!!

Seems that a lot of folks here forget about the other team that left the MAC when Marshall did. Central Florida. They are doing quite well these days.
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UCF is in Orlando and is the 2nd largest school in the nation.
They were in our conference for a few seasons and didn't leave because success. They left because of the first two facts...
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(10-10-2013 12:15 PM)Terry Wrote:  It's not about winning the MAC. It's about fan base. Television markets. Geography. Commitment by the school administration. Branding. etc.....

There are a number of factors, including those you mention that factor into a conference's decision about who to invite; however, winning championships is a positive factor that is also related to the size of the fan base, because everyone likes a winner and a championship is the highest recognition of winning.

UT's all time attendance season record was 2001, a year in which UT fans overwhelming expected to win the MAC and a year in which the FB team did not disappoint. Check out what winning the MAC the last couple of years and their fans expectation to win it again this year has done for NIU's attendance this year.

Winning is consistent with growing the fan base and winning championships is the ultimate recognition of winning.

In MBB winning the MAC tourney championship is even more important than winning the MACC in FB because, I firmly believe that getting to the NCAA on a regular basis is a major factor in being considered for most conference invitations. The NCAA tourney is a place where big money (and reputations) are made and (except for the bottom conferences that are just trying to survive) conference expansion is all about increasing revenue.
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RE: MAC #10
(10-10-2013 12:15 PM)Terry Wrote:  
(10-10-2013 09:29 AM)joeo58 Wrote:  
(10-08-2013 02:23 PM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  
(10-08-2013 01:47 PM)Rockketdork Wrote:  Moving to a the new American Conference would be great as far as I'm concerned, one step behind the Big Ten. Trying to think outside the box here.

It's time to go somewhere.

who wants us? when is the last time we won the mac

It's not about winning the MAC. It's about fan base. Television markets. Geography. Commitment by the school adminstration. Branding. etc.....


I agree for the most part. Marshall dominated the MAC and then left because of that. No other team has dominated the MAC as much as Marshall did. But then you look at a team such as UCF. They didn't do a dang thing on the field in this conference to make them look attractive. What made them attractive was their location and size as someone mentioned. Then there's Temple. Not only did they win NOTHING in the MAC, they also had one of the worst fan bases in all of college football. But their location made them attractive.

Toledo doesn't have to necessarily win the MAC year in and year out to become an attractive team (although that always helps). They should focus on at least getting BACK to the MAC title game, which they haven't been to since 2004.
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RE: MAC #10
(10-10-2013 03:49 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  
(10-10-2013 12:15 PM)Terry Wrote:  
(10-10-2013 09:29 AM)joeo58 Wrote:  
(10-08-2013 02:23 PM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  
(10-08-2013 01:47 PM)Rockketdork Wrote:  Moving to a the new American Conference would be great as far as I'm concerned, one step behind the Big Ten. Trying to think outside the box here.

It's time to go somewhere.

who wants us? when is the last time we won the mac

It's not about winning the MAC. It's about fan base. Television markets. Geography. Commitment by the school adminstration. Branding. etc.....


I agree for the most part. Marshall dominated the MAC and then left because of that. No other team has dominated the MAC as much as Marshall did. But then you look at a team such as UCF. They didn't do a dang thing on the field in this conference to make them look attractive. What made them attractive was their location and size as someone mentioned. Then there's Temple. Not only did they win NOTHING in the MAC, they also had one of the worst fan bases in all of college football. But their location made them attractive.

Toledo doesn't have to necessarily win the MAC year in and year out to become an attractive team (although that always helps). They should focus on at least getting BACK to the MAC title game, which they haven't been to since 2004.

If the Rockets are in the MAC, they should win the FB title every year.
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(10-10-2013 12:55 PM)T-Town Wrote:  
(10-10-2013 12:15 PM)Terry Wrote:  It's not about winning the MAC. It's about fan base. Television markets. Geography. Commitment by the school administration. Branding. etc.....

There are a number of factors, including those you mention that factor into a conference's decision about who to invite; however, winning championships is a positive factor that is also related to the size of the fan base, because everyone likes a winner and a championship is the highest recognition of winning.

UT's all time attendance season record was 2001, a year in which UT fans overwhelming expected to win the MAC and a year in which the FB team did not disappoint. Check out what winning the MAC the last couple of years and their fans expectation to win it again this year has done for NIU's attendance this year.

Winning is consistent with growing the fan base and winning championships is the ultimate recognition of winning.

In MBB winning the MAC tourney championship is even more important than winning the MACC in FB because, I firmly believe that getting to the NCAA on a regular basis is a major factor in being considered for most conference invitations. The NCAA tourney is a place where big money (and reputations) are made and (except for the bottom conferences that are just trying to survive) conference expansion is all about increasing revenue.

We'll see about NIU's attendance. They've only had one home game this season. Last year they were 12-2 and averaged 15,670. In 2011 they were 11-3 and averaged 15,209. In 2010 they were 11-3 and averaged 17,760.

Why Can't NIU Draw A Crowd In DeKalb? http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/12/27/w...in-dekalb/
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(10-10-2013 06:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  We'll see about NIU's attendance. They've only had one home game this season. Last year they were 12-2 and averaged 15,670. In 2011 they were 11-3 and averaged 15,209. In 2010 they were 11-3 and averaged 17,760.

Why Can't NIU Draw A Crowd In DeKalb? http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/12/27/w...in-dekalb/

I don't know the source for your attendance numbers, but my source (NCAA) shows different numbers:

2012: NIU = 20,877, UT = 20,552, average MAC =15,526 (11th out 11 FBS conferences)

2011: NIU = 18,903, UT = 22,157, average MAC = 17,033 (11th out of 11 FBS conferences)

2010: NIU = 17,760, UT = 19,333, MAC = 15,609 (11th out of 11 FBS conferences)


As you noted NIU has only played one home game this year against a FCS school with an attendance over 23,000 where UT has played two games, one against a FCS school (attendance over 20,000) and one against a MAC school (attendance over 17,000).

Granted, NIU is located in the middle of a gigantic corn field in the middle of nowhere, a hundred miles from Chicago---so all other things being equal, their attendance should generally be less than UT; however, last year, presumably on the strength of their winning ways, their attendance was actually slightly better than UT's was even with our big home games against Cincinnati and BG.

Obviously attendance in the MAC as a conference is usually the poorest in all of FBS football and even the attendance leaders don't have a lot to brag about compared to most FBS programs. On top of that, NIU is not ideally situated to be a mecca for large crowds, still winning has helped their cause.

Just out of curiosity , I also compared the attendance numbers for 2001, UT's banner year which tell a sad story about changes in UT's attendance fortunes vis-a-vis NIU over the past dozen years:

for 2001: NIU = 14,604, UT = 32,012


Reference: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...index.html
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NIU's game on Saturday is also sold out. Even our next home game against EMU supposedly only has 3K tickets unsold on the West side. So our average attendance should still be around 24K for now. Who knows what will happen when the weather gets cold though, especially on a weeknight.

I showed the lower attendance numbers that Detroit Rocket posted, for the past few years, I believe those were the announced numbers.
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(10-10-2013 07:23 PM)T-Town Wrote:  
(10-10-2013 06:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  We'll see about NIU's attendance. They've only had one home game this season. Last year they were 12-2 and averaged 15,670. In 2011 they were 11-3 and averaged 15,209. In 2010 they were 11-3 and averaged 17,760.

Why Can't NIU Draw A Crowd In DeKalb? http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/12/27/w...in-dekalb/

I don't know the source for your attendance numbers, but my source (NCAA) shows different numbers:

2012: NIU = 20,877, UT = 20,552, average MAC =15,526 (11th out 11 FBS conferences)

2011: NIU = 18,903, UT = 22,157, average MAC = 17,033 (11th out of 11 FBS conferences)

2010: NIU = 17,760, UT = 19,333, MAC = 15,609 (11th out of 11 FBS conferences)


As you noted NIU has only played one home game this year against a FCS school with an attendance over 23,000 where UT has played two games, one against a FCS school (attendance over 20,000) and one against a MAC school (attendance over 17,000).

Granted, NIU is located in the middle of a gigantic corn field in the middle of nowhere, a hundred miles from Chicago---so all other things being equal, their attendance should generally be less than UT; however, last year, presumably on the strength of their winning ways, their attendance was actually slightly better than UT's was even with our big home games against Cincinnati and BG.

Obviously attendance in the MAC as a conference is usually the poorest in all of FBS football and even the attendance leaders don't have a lot to brag about compared to most FBS programs. On top of that, NIU is not ideally situated to be a mecca for large crowds, still winning has helped their cause.

Just out of curiosity , I also compared the attendance numbers for 2001, UT's banner year which tell a sad story about changes in UT's attendance fortunes vis-a-vis NIU over the past dozen years:

for 2001: NIU = 14,604, UT = 32,012


Reference: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...index.html

Source: Mid American Conference football statistics. http://www.mac-sports.com/Sports/Footbal...stics.aspx
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(10-11-2013 03:35 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  
(10-10-2013 07:23 PM)T-Town Wrote:  
(10-10-2013 06:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  We'll see about NIU's attendance. They've only had one home game this season. Last year they were 12-2 and averaged 15,670. In 2011 they were 11-3 and averaged 15,209. In 2010 they were 11-3 and averaged 17,760.

Why Can't NIU Draw A Crowd In DeKalb? http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/12/27/w...in-dekalb/

I don't know the source for your attendance numbers, but my source (NCAA) shows different numbers:

2012: NIU = 20,877, UT = 20,552, average MAC =15,526 (11th out 11 FBS conferences)

2011: NIU = 18,903, UT = 22,157, average MAC = 17,033 (11th out of 11 FBS conferences)

2010: NIU = 17,760, UT = 19,333, MAC = 15,609 (11th out of 11 FBS conferences)


As you noted NIU has only played one home game this year against a FCS school with an attendance over 23,000 where UT has played two games, one against a FCS school (attendance over 20,000) and one against a MAC school (attendance over 17,000).

Granted, NIU is located in the middle of a gigantic corn field in the middle of nowhere, a hundred miles from Chicago---so all other things being equal, their attendance should generally be less than UT; however, last year, presumably on the strength of their winning ways, their attendance was actually slightly better than UT's was even with our big home games against Cincinnati and BG.

Obviously attendance in the MAC as a conference is usually the poorest in all of FBS football and even the attendance leaders don't have a lot to brag about compared to most FBS programs. On top of that, NIU is not ideally situated to be a mecca for large crowds, still winning has helped their cause.

Just out of curiosity , I also compared the attendance numbers for 2001, UT's banner year which tell a sad story about changes in UT's attendance fortunes vis-a-vis NIU over the past dozen years:

for 2001: NIU = 14,604, UT = 32,012


Reference: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...index.html

Source: Mid American Conference football statistics. http://www.mac-sports.com/Sports/Footbal...stics.aspx
Definitely weird---both SHOULD be reliable sources, yet one (or both?) is/are off (unless maybe one is tickets sold and the other is actual attendance???)----who can you trust
these days?? Maybe that what is meant by "lies, d.a.m.n lies and statistics" (lol)?
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(10-10-2013 03:49 PM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  
(10-10-2013 12:15 PM)Terry Wrote:  
(10-10-2013 09:29 AM)joeo58 Wrote:  
(10-08-2013 02:23 PM)SylvaniaRocket Wrote:  
(10-08-2013 01:47 PM)Rockketdork Wrote:  Moving to a the new American Conference would be great as far as I'm concerned, one step behind the Big Ten. Trying to think outside the box here.

It's time to go somewhere.

who wants us? when is the last time we won the mac

It's not about winning the MAC. It's about fan base. Television markets. Geography. Commitment by the school adminstration. Branding. etc.....


I agree for the most part. Marshall dominated the MAC and then left because of that. No other team has dominated the MAC as much as Marshall did. But then you look at a team such as UCF. They didn't do a dang thing on the field in this conference to make them look attractive. What made them attractive was their location and size as someone mentioned. Then there's Temple. Not only did they win NOTHING in the MAC, they also had one of the worst fan bases in all of college football. But their location made them attractive.

Toledo doesn't have to necessarily win the MAC year in and year out to become an attractive team (although that always helps). They should focus on at least getting BACK to the MAC title game, which they haven't been to since 2004.

OK, I'm focused on winning the MAC title and title game.
Now, let's get out of this dreadful conferance!!!!!!!!!!
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(10-11-2013 07:38 AM)T-Town Wrote:  
(10-11-2013 03:35 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  
(10-10-2013 07:23 PM)T-Town Wrote:  Reference: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/publ...index.html

Source: Mid American Conference football statistics. http://www.mac-sports.com/Sports/Footbal...stics.aspx
Definitely weird---both SHOULD be reliable sources, yet one (or both?) is/are off (unless maybe one is tickets sold and the other is actual attendance???)----who can you trust
these days?? Maybe that what is meant by "lies, d.a.m.n lies and statistics" (lol)?

The NCAA stats include games held at Soldier Field in 2011 & 2012 against Wisconsin and Iowa respectively which drew huge crowds, but weren't really home games. The stats on the MAC site don't.
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NIU's attendance was on the decline the last few years. The team got better and less people showed up. Now NIU has a new Athletic Director who is doing anything and everything he can to get butts in the seats, and it's working. Granted, a trip to the Orange Bowl is helping, but finally NIU has some real marketing.
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