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8-21 in two plus seasons, fielded an offense that averaged 8.8 points per game this year. OC also shown the door.

What is up with schools now firing their head coaches so early in the season? I can see if there is a scandal, then the coach needs to go. Otherwise what good does it do? Is there any season in history where so many coaches were fired before mid-season?

(10-06-2013 08:40 PM)goofus Wrote:  What is up with schools now firing their head coaches so early in the season? I can see if there is a scandal, then the coach needs to go. Otherwise what good does it do? Is there any season in history where so many coaches were fired before mid-season?

You get a jump on the coaching search instead of doing it at the end of the year when multiple schools are looking around

(10-06-2013 08:44 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:40 PM)goofus Wrote:  What is up with schools now firing their head coaches so early in the season? I can see if there is a scandal, then the coach needs to go. Otherwise what good does it do? Is there any season in history where so many coaches were fired before mid-season?

You get a jump on the coaching search instead of doing it at the end of the year when multiple schools are looking around

Nothing against Miami (OH), but they can position themselves all they want. The best coaches will go to the best programs, and the RedHawks will be left with those unable to get a better job elsewhere. It is what it is, unless they go for someone nobody has given a chance yet and strike gold...

(10-06-2013 08:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:44 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:40 PM)goofus Wrote:  What is up with schools now firing their head coaches so early in the season? I can see if there is a scandal, then the coach needs to go. Otherwise what good does it do? Is there any season in history where so many coaches were fired before mid-season?

You get a jump on the coaching search instead of doing it at the end of the year when multiple schools are looking around

Nothing against Miami (OH), but they can position themselves all they want. The best coaches will go to the best programs, and the RedHawks will be left with those unable to get a better job elsewhere. It is what it is, unless they go for someone nobody has given a chance yet and strike gold...

I don't expect us to go after a Lane Kiffin type guy. I see us going after a successful FCS guy. A championship coach is a great coach at any level. Just have to bring on the right recruiting coordinater to bring in the talent.

(10-06-2013 08:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:44 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:40 PM)goofus Wrote:  What is up with schools now firing their head coaches so early in the season? I can see if there is a scandal, then the coach needs to go. Otherwise what good does it do? Is there any season in history where so many coaches were fired before mid-season?

You get a jump on the coaching search instead of doing it at the end of the year when multiple schools are looking around

Nothing against Miami (OH), but they can position themselves all they want. The best coaches will go to the best programs, and the RedHawks will be left with those unable to get a better job elsewhere. It is what it is, unless they go for someone nobody has given a chance yet and strike gold...

@footballscoop: Heard middle of last week that Miami (OH) had reached out to several potential candidates to gauge their interest. They are aiming high

It's not like we're luring in Saban or anything ridiculous like that, but our fundraising this year has shattered previous records and we're on our way to vastly upgrade our facilities. Miami is wealthy enough that we can offer a coach a lot more than many G5 schools, including the MAC.

And to answer goofus as to why we fired Treadwell so early in the season: if you had watched Miami football the last five games you would know why. He took a ten-win MAC champion and buried it into irrelevance.

(10-06-2013 08:40 PM)goofus Wrote:  What is up with schools now firing their head coaches so early in the season? I can see if there is a scandal, then the coach needs to go. Otherwise what good does it do? Is there any season in history where so many coaches were fired before mid-season?

In 2008 Clemson sat 3-3 after 6 games and had one more win left on the schedule (Duke) if Tommy Bowden were allowed to coach out the season. He had lost the fans and most importantly he had lost the team. If Bowden would have finished 4-8 we would have cleaned house and probably sent the AD out with him. Had we not made the change we wouldn't have went bowling, and most importantly we wouldn't have Dabo Swinney as our head coach right now.

(10-06-2013 08:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:44 PM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:40 PM)goofus Wrote:  What is up with schools now firing their head coaches so early in the season? I can see if there is a scandal, then the coach needs to go. Otherwise what good does it do? Is there any season in history where so many coaches were fired before mid-season?

You get a jump on the coaching search instead of doing it at the end of the year when multiple schools are looking around

Nothing against Miami (OH), but they can position themselves all they want. The best coaches will go to the best programs, and the RedHawks will be left with those unable to get a better job elsewhere. It is what it is, unless they go for someone nobody has given a chance yet and strike gold...

true, who could name ONE good coach that has ever taken a job at Miami? Of course I mean name one besides Paul Brown, Woody Hayes, Weeb Ewbank, Ara Parseghian, Bo Schembehler, Jim Tressel, Ron Zook, John Harbough, Sean Payton and about a half a dozen others.

But yeah, other than all of those guys, NO good coach would ever take a job at Miami.

Btw, Miami is 17th in FBS in all time winning %, that's a head of WVU. To be fair though, Miami had better coaches. Don't assume that the MAC is automatically inferior to the precious P5 in every situation.

None of the coaches you mentioned were Hall of Fame coaches when they took over the Miami program either, dude. They all made their name somewhere else...

The MAC seems to be able to get plenty of good coaches, who then move on to P5 schools after having success in the MAC. But they're getting head coaches of FCS schools, or an OC/DC from a P5 school. So it's a bit of a gamble. But the P5 gets plenty of coaches from the MAC and there's no guarantee they'll succeed at the P5 school so really they're gambling as well.

(10-06-2013 09:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  In 2008 Clemson sat 3-3 after 6 games and had one more win left on the schedule (Duke) if Tommy Bowden were allowed to coach out the season. He had lost the fans and most importantly he had lost the team. If Bowden would have finished 4-8 we would have cleaned house and probably sent the AD out with him. Had we not made the change we wouldn't have went bowling, and most importantly we wouldn't have Dabo Swinney as our head coach right now.

In other words, the AD threw Bowden overboard because the AD didn't want his own job security to be jeopardized by Bowden's unpopularity. That motivation is probably behind most of these midseason firings.

(10-06-2013 09:31 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  None of the coaches you mentioned were Hall of Fame coaches when they took over the Miami program either, dude. They all made their name somewhere else...

Do you think that if any of the coaches stayed in Oxford for their whole careers that they would've suddenly lost their coaching ability? They would've kept up the success they had going when they were here, it's just that OSU, Michigan, etc. could obviously offer a lot more than we ever could.

(10-06-2013 09:31 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  None of the coaches you mentioned were Hall of Fame coaches when they took over the Miami program either, dude. They all made their name somewhere else...

but that's not what you said, you said the best coaches would not go to these programs.

These coaches weren't awful while at Miami and then suddenly became terrific coaches when they left. They left, in part, because they were good.

So your original remark about Miami not being able to hire a good coach and only taking someone nobody else would take is simply false.

(10-06-2013 10:12 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 09:31 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  None of the coaches you mentioned were Hall of Fame coaches when they took over the Miami program either, dude. They all made their name somewhere else...

Do you think that if any of the coaches stayed in Oxford for their whole careers that they would've suddenly lost their coaching ability? They would've kept up the success they had going when they were here, it's just that OSU, Michigan, etc. could obviously offer a lot more than we ever could.

Which is what I've been saying all along. I'm glad you finally got the point...

I wasn't trying to diminish the RedHawks. I was just stating the facts of reality, which you knew all along...

(10-06-2013 10:29 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 09:31 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  None of the coaches you mentioned were Hall of Fame coaches when they took over the Miami program either, dude. They all made their name somewhere else...

but that's not what you said, you said the best coaches would not go to these programs.

These coaches weren't awful while at Miami and then suddenly became terrific coaches when they left. They left, in part, because they were good.

So your original remark about Miami not being able to hire a good coach and only taking someone nobody else would take is simply false.

I said a good PROVEN coach would never go to Miami. The good coaches you've had on your campus got their start at Miami, which is probably where your next great coach will come from...

To recap, here's what I said...

bitcruncher Wrote:The best coaches will go to the best programs, and the RedHawks will be left with those unable to get a better job elsewhere. It is what it is, unless they go for someone nobody has given a chance yet and strike gold...

(10-06-2013 08:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Nothing against Miami (OH), but they can position themselves all they want. The best coaches will go to the best programs, and the RedHawks will be left with those unable to get a better job elsewhere. It is what it is, unless they go for someone nobody has given a chance yet and strike gold...

While we can't pay what P5 schools can pay, Im sure there will be many other G5 coaches let go at the end of the season and we will have the head start on all of them. The Miami job is as desirable as any G5 job especially since we just announced an $80 Billion dollar facilities upgrade.

(10-06-2013 10:53 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Nothing against Miami (OH), but they can position themselves all they want. The best coaches will go to the best programs, and the RedHawks will be left with those unable to get a better job elsewhere. It is what it is, unless they go for someone nobody has given a chance yet and strike gold...

While we can't pay what P5 schools can pay, Im sure there will be many other G5 coaches let go at the end of the season and we will have the head start on all of them. The Miami job is as desirable as any G5 job especially since we just announced an $80 Billion dollar facilities upgrade.

Think you got your b's and m's mixed up there, no matter how much we'd like to see it.

(10-06-2013 11:10 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 10:53 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:49 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  Nothing against Miami (OH), but they can position themselves all they want. The best coaches will go to the best programs, and the RedHawks will be left with those unable to get a better job elsewhere. It is what it is, unless they go for someone nobody has given a chance yet and strike gold...

While we can't pay what P5 schools can pay, Im sure there will be many other G5 coaches let go at the end of the season and we will have the head start on all of them. The Miami job is as desirable as any G5 job especially since we just announced an $80 Billion dollar facilities upgrade.

Think you got your b's and m's mixed up there, no matter how much we'd like to see it.

HaHa, yes I did. That would be awesome though!

Miami still has three home games left to sell, it is simply a move to try to salvage some sales.

Its not a good scenario for recruiting because no one can make offers with certainty or even know if the kid the tight ends coach likes will be acceptable to the next coach.

For the most part anyone you want to hire isn't taking a job any earlier than December 2 and likely later depending on their circumstances and will be candidates for other jobs that open between now and then so there is no big advantage in hiring the next coach.

It's all about salvaging ticket sales and getting the fans and alums off your posterior complaining that the coach needs to be fired.

Miami is in such disarray I'm not sure how they'll get a decent coach. The athletic department is just completely in shambles right now.

(10-07-2013 09:51 AM)mlb Wrote:  Miami is in such disarray I'm not sure how they'll get a decent coach. The athletic department is just completely in shambles right now.

Maybe at one point under Brad Bates you could argue that, but not now. We won the Jacoby Cup last year for women's sports, our hockey program is one of the best in the nation, and we're solid in a few other sports as well. AD Sayler has completely changed the financial culture since he took over in January, as fundraising has shattered previous records and a big marketing push has already paid dividends (paid attendance at Yager for both home games was greater than 21,000).

Where your argument holds water is in the revenue sports, which have admittedly been a train wreck as of late. We can obviously see the destruction of our football program, but less obvious is the collapse of Miami basketball, which was winning MAC titles and selling out Millett on occasion in the nineties. Poor Charlie Coles had to pimp out his team to play pay-day games so we could fund the rest of the athletic department. But Cooper has us on the right track, we just need some time to rebuild. Miami shall rise again on the gridiron and the court.