UCF true freshman RB Will Stanback hits Memphis returner/freshman RB Marquis Warford, causing a fumble that led to the game winning TD.

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Try this:

You mean the "illegal helmet to helmet" hit.

You guys just need to go hide somewhere after that game.

That was a freshman stepping up to make an outstanding tough physical football play when his team needed it. Amazing contact speed! Just outstanding!

(10-06-2013 03:19 PM)msu65 Wrote:  You mean the "illegal helmet to helmet" hit.

Aight let's settle this.

Angle 1


From this birds eye angle, it looks like Stanback goes helmet crown to facemask on the tackle.

Angle 2


From this angle, it looks like Stanback hits the receivers shoulders

Angle 3: IMPORTANT, VIEW FROM THE NEAREST REF


From here, it definitely looks like he hits the receiver from the shoulder, and the helmet glances off to run into the facemask.

Fumble angle


Clear Fumble. Just for reference.

Memphis has 3 things going against them on this call
• The angle of the hit was hidden by the body of the receiver
• A penalty on the play, where a flag is not initially thrown, on the play is not reviewable
• The receiver is not defenseless. He saw him coming, and was prepared, but probably underestimated the speed of the incoming hit.
  

For the record, though-- to my understanding of college rules this year, "defenseless" is not a criterion for crowning to be illegal.

(10-06-2013 03:59 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  For the record, though-- to my understanding of college rules this year, "defenseless" is not a criterion for crowning to be illegal.

I'll agree to that, though I present this situation:

In the span of 4 seconds, a potential game changing penalty occurs, a potential fumble occurs, and a potential touchdown occurs.

In that 4 seconds, where the pressure is on the nearest ref (who didn't have a clear view of the hit) to make all 3 calls, instantly, what is the most likely thing to happen?

(10-06-2013 04:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  In that 4 seconds, where the pressure is on the nearest ref (who didn't have a clear view of the hit) to make all 3 calls, instantly, what is the most likely thing to happen?

Depends on how much of a hurry he's in to get home.

(10-06-2013 04:02 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 03:59 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  For the record, though-- to my understanding of college rules this year, "defenseless" is not a criterion for crowning to be illegal.

I'll agree to that, though I present this situation:

In the span of 4 seconds, a potential game changing penalty occurs, a potential fumble occurs, and a potential touchdown occurs.

In that 4 seconds, where the pressure is on the nearest ref (who didn't have a clear view of the hit) to make all 3 calls, instantly, what is the most likely thing to happen?

Side with the team with a winning record.

WHAT A HIT!!! Should be called the memphis missile for the rest of the year. Hit of the year so far in college football??

Hes our true freshman backup RB from NY too. IMO we should put him at LB and let him keep lighting suckas up.

I may be a man on an island on this, but I'm tired of hearing about officiating from both sides. What happened.....happened. Nothing is going to change the results.

All of this is detracting from a pretty good football game from a spectator's standpoint and a really good effort by the team that I root for.

It's time to move on to the next game and quit complaining or defending about what happened yesterday, be it PI calls, helmet/helmet, etc.

Please let Houston get here so we can stop talking about this hit. We got screwed and UCF lucky. It is over and just hope our boys use it as motivation to beat them at their house next year.

(10-06-2013 04:05 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  WHAT A HIT!!! Should be called the memphis missile for the rest of the year. Hit of the year so far in college football??

Hes our true freshman backup RB from NY too. IMO we should put him at LB and let him keep lighting suckas up.

It was an incredible hit. No complaint from me.

If i were a Memphis defender, i would find a way to make Stanback be a part of another play like that next year. Nothing illegal, mind you. :)

(10-06-2013 03:59 PM)NJ1 Wrote:  For the record, though-- to my understanding of college rules this year, "defenseless" is not a criterion for crowning to be illegal.

This has always been the case with "targeting" since the rule was introduced in 2008. The "defenseless" category is only one subset of what can be called targeting. Leading with the crown of the helmet into the helmet of another player is the other. But here's why it doesn't apply to this play:

-The ref didn't throw the flag
-Stanback did not leave his feet
-Stanback was not initially aiming for the runner's head
-Warford lowered his head
-Stanback also was attempting to wrap up the defender and also hit with his shoulder

It was a big hit no doubt, but it was not targeting.

(10-06-2013 04:06 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  I may be a man on an island on this, but I'm tired of hearing about officiating from both sides. What happened.....happened. Nothing is going to change the results.

All of this is detracting from a pretty good football game from a spectator's standpoint and a really good effort by the team that I root for.

It's time to move on to the next game and quit complaining or defending about what happened yesterday, be it PI calls, helmet/helmet, etc.

I hear ya. It was a great game.

(10-06-2013 04:05 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  WHAT A HIT!!! Should be called the memphis missile for the rest of the year. Hit of the year so far in college football??

Hes our true freshman backup RB from NY too. IMO we should put him at LB and let him keep lighting suckas up.

Let him play in all three areas: back up running back, linebacker, and gunner!

Here's another 80 sec clip that shows the hit from a different angle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...KqXxs#t=55

wow, here comes the boom! Thats a heck of a hit and in my unbiased opinion was a clean hit.

A thought occurred to me, if Memphis has won this game, would Memphis rush the field?*