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Yup I looked at the News and Observer (the state newspaper) and the article on the game is the AP article. No quotes or anything. Everyone has growing pains, and I think MT has a lot of potential. That said, for the time being we do not belong in a league with so many teams with growing pains and attendance issues. We went through that stuff 35 years ago. BTW this isn't direct at Marshall or USM.
10-06-2013 07:08 AM
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(10-06-2013 01:04 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  I was surprised by the low looking attendance for a homecoming game.... do those other games mentioned above really effect your attendance THAT MUCH? I mean, UNC, Duke, and NCSU are 70-115 minutes away and even if they all had home games it wouldn't affect OUR attendance.

With Vandy less than 30 minutes down the road, it is a huge issue for us. I actually know several MT alum that tailgated and attended the Vandy game over the MT game. Just because they are SEC, were playing Mizzou, and hosting Homecoming as well, other Nashville citizens thought that was the better game. It's extremely sad, but it's nothing new.
I also believe it was just a bad weekend to schedule HC. I was invited to 3 weddings this weekend and several other events were taking place. Having the Marshall game on a Thursday night will set us up for failure too.
I don't think MT has a horrible team, but I am only about 80% happy with the product on the field. When you don't play well and lose, people won't attend.
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(10-06-2013 08:07 AM)MTalum09 Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 01:04 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  I was surprised by the low looking attendance for a homecoming game.... do those other games mentioned above really effect your attendance THAT MUCH? I mean, UNC, Duke, and NCSU are 70-115 minutes away and even if they all had home games it wouldn't affect OUR attendance.

With Vandy less than 30 minutes down the road, it is a huge issue for us. I actually know several MT alum that tailgated and attended the Vandy game over the MT game. Just because they are SEC, were playing Mizzou, and hosting Homecoming as well, other Nashville citizens thought that was the better game. It's extremely sad, but it's nothing new.
I also believe it was just a bad weekend to schedule HC. I was invited to 3 weddings this weekend and several other events were taking place. Having the Marshall game on a Thursday night will set us up for failure too.
I don't think MT has a horrible team, but I am only about 80% happy with the product on the field. When you don't play well and lose, people won't attend.

Schedule Vandy, beat them.....give yourself some credibility. If Vandy refuses, publicly outcry they are scared until you force their hand.
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(10-06-2013 08:07 AM)MTalum09 Wrote:  I was invited to 3 weddings this weekend and several other events were taking place.

I wish people would stop scheduling weddings in the fall. The only ECU home game I've missed in the last 5 years was for a wedding, and wouldn't you know it was the big home win over WVU when they used to be good.
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(10-06-2013 08:44 AM)oasispirate Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 08:07 AM)MTalum09 Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 01:04 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  I was surprised by the low looking attendance for a homecoming game.... do those other games mentioned above really effect your attendance THAT MUCH? I mean, UNC, Duke, and NCSU are 70-115 minutes away and even if they all had home games it wouldn't affect OUR attendance.

With Vandy less than 30 minutes down the road, it is a huge issue for us. I actually know several MT alum that tailgated and attended the Vandy game over the MT game. Just because they are SEC, were playing Mizzou, and hosting Homecoming as well, other Nashville citizens thought that was the better game. It's extremely sad, but it's nothing new.
I also believe it was just a bad weekend to schedule HC. I was invited to 3 weddings this weekend and several other events were taking place. Having the Marshall game on a Thursday night will set us up for failure too.
I don't think MT has a horrible team, but I am only about 80% happy with the product on the field. When you don't play well and lose, people won't attend.

Schedule Vandy, beat them.....give yourself some credibility. If Vandy refuses, publicly outcry they are scared until you force their hand.

MT and Vandy have a series starting in 2015 (two home two away). The Raiders are 3-0 against vandy since moving to 1A/FBS.
10-06-2013 08:50 AM
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(10-06-2013 01:04 AM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  I was surprised by the low looking attendance for a homecoming game.... do those other games mentioned above really effect your attendance THAT MUCH? I mean, UNC, Duke, and NCSU are 70-115 minutes away and even if they all had home games it wouldn't affect OUR attendance.


Sadly yes. UNC, Duke, and NC State are no comparison to UT and SEC football. UT has won national championships and plays in a 100,000+ seat stadium. They are a big obstacle we have to overcome.
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Yeah the analogy for ECU is how does UNC or Duke basketball games effect their basketball attendance?

But its worse for football, because there are only 12 games and each one is essential whereas basketball there are 30 plus games and one win or loss doesn't really have a huge impact on the season; therefore, people are less forgiving on missing football games than they are basketball.

But our university does contribute to this some. There are a lot of things that could be done to make the overall experience better.
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(10-06-2013 08:48 AM)Chappy Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 08:07 AM)MTalum09 Wrote:  I was invited to 3 weddings this weekend and several other events were taking place.

I wish people would stop scheduling weddings in the fall. The only ECU home game I've missed in the last 5 years was for a wedding, and wouldn't you know it was the big home win over WVU when they used to be good.

I know right.

If you have friends that do this you should 1) check their man card and 2) check the citizenship status. It's un-American.
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(10-06-2013 12:21 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yeah the analogy for ECU is how does UNC or Duke basketball games effect their basketball attendance?

But its worse for football, because there are only 12 games and each one is essential whereas basketball there are 30 plus games and one win or loss doesn't really have a huge impact on the season; therefore, people are less forgiving on missing football games than they are basketball.

But our university does contribute to this some. There are a lot of things that could be done to make the overall experience better.

It can effect our hoops attendance. Yet our hoops attendance is still historically in the middle of the conference despite not having a historical good product on the floor.

UNC and NCSU both have 60,000 seat stadiums, so if they both are having home games they combined draw more than Tennessee.

Then you throw in WF and Duke. Not to mention App St typically draws more than the bottom 1/3 of FBS. There is plenty of competition in this state.
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(10-06-2013 01:11 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 12:21 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yeah the analogy for ECU is how does UNC or Duke basketball games effect their basketball attendance?

But its worse for football, because there are only 12 games and each one is essential whereas basketball there are 30 plus games and one win or loss doesn't really have a huge impact on the season; therefore, people are less forgiving on missing football games than they are basketball.

But our university does contribute to this some. There are a lot of things that could be done to make the overall experience better.

It can effect our hoops attendance. Yet our hoops attendance is still historically in the middle of the conference despite not having a historical good product on the floor.

UNC and NCSU both have 60,000 seat stadiums, so if they both are having home games they combined draw more than Tennessee.

Then you throw in WF and Duke. Not to mention App St typically draws more than the bottom 1/3 of FBS. There is plenty of competition in this state.

Don't get me wrong, there's tons of good football in North Carolina and this is not to discredit the job ECU does with attendance. I'd give anything to have the type of support that you guys have. However, I think it's a lot easier to draw football fans at a mid-major in NC than say in a state like Texas, Tennessee or Alabama, where frontrunner football fandom for traditional powers irrationally breeds.

It's very hard for mid-majors in Texas to draw and/or keep fans interested. For one, it's just a big state and we have to compete with 12 other FBS-level teams. Secondly, no matter the level played (college/professional), fans in Texas are horrible. We harbor some of the biggest t-shirt frontrunner fans in the nation. They love and support you when you're winning, but have nothing to do with you if you're losing. A&M might be the only exception, but that's just because it's a cult. But Even UT (Texas) is having a hard time selling tickets for their annual OU rivalry game.
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Dead on MeanGrean.

Add to that there is a big difference between SEC football and every other conference which is further perpetuated by a herd mentality media dynamic in the southeast.

Our media market can be both an advantage and a detriment. Whenever we have good seasons it's just a fluke in the media. When we have average seasons it helps them label us as such. We have to be more consistent winning. That's the only way we can overcome the media perception. If and when we do that then the media market will be a resource multiplier but we're never going to do that unless we string together consecutive nine and 10 win seasons. And that's easier said than done, because that same media environment makes it tough on us to recruit. We're caught in a vicious cycle that's going to take some good fortune to get out of.
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(10-06-2013 02:01 PM)MeanGreenFan123 Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 01:11 PM)oasispirate Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 12:21 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Yeah the analogy for ECU is how does UNC or Duke basketball games effect their basketball attendance?

But its worse for football, because there are only 12 games and each one is essential whereas basketball there are 30 plus games and one win or loss doesn't really have a huge impact on the season; therefore, people are less forgiving on missing football games than they are basketball.

But our university does contribute to this some. There are a lot of things that could be done to make the overall experience better.

It can effect our hoops attendance. Yet our hoops attendance is still historically in the middle of the conference despite not having a historical good product on the floor.

UNC and NCSU both have 60,000 seat stadiums, so if they both are having home games they combined draw more than Tennessee.

Then you throw in WF and Duke. Not to mention App St typically draws more than the bottom 1/3 of FBS. There is plenty of competition in this state.

Don't get me wrong, there's tons of good football in North Carolina and this is not to discredit the job ECU does with attendance. I'd give anything to have the type of support that you guys have. However, I think it's a lot easier to draw football fans at a mid-major in NC than say in a state like Texas, Tennessee or Alabama, where frontrunner football fandom for traditional powers irrationally breeds.

It's very hard for mid-majors in Texas to draw and/or keep fans interested. For one, it's just a big state and we have to compete with 12 other FBS-level teams. Secondly, no matter the level played (college/professional), fans in Texas are horrible. We harbor some of the biggest t-shirt frontrunner fans in the nation. They love and support you when you're winning, but have nothing to do with you if you're losing. A&M might be the only exception, but that's just because it's a cult. But Even UT (Texas) is having a hard time selling tickets for their annual OU rivalry game.

Meh, we face the same sort of problems but it is driven by basketball success. UNC has developed a crazy amount of Walmart fans (Walheels). NC State and Dook also have the same sort of long term crazy fans. While driven by Basketball, football is very similar and it has taken years of work to get us to the football fan support that we have.
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I believe our AD needs to take a visit to Greenville and collect some information to see how you guys went about changing the culture.
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(10-06-2013 03:36 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I believe our AD needs to take a visit to Greenville and collect some information to see how you guys went about changing the culture.

Dont feel bad. I was that the NCSU/Wake game yesterday in Winston Salem. The stands were empty for this ACC matchup. Wake has the most apathetic fans I have ever seen. It is almost as if they are embarrassed to show school spirit. They have a super nice stadium and all the money they need to be successful. They simply lack the "culture" you are referring to.
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(10-05-2013 08:57 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(10-05-2013 08:50 PM)ecudave198 Wrote:  Mtsu needs to work on game day atmosphere. The fans are totally uninvolved. They don't play music during breaks or have any cheers...just a flat atmosphere

I think I will forward that to the admin. Can't say that I disagree.

Of course the atmosphere is made better by a full stadium. Is this a chicken and egg thing or are there actually things they can do to make people more interested in coming?

Again, that's one of the weaker homecoming crowds we had, and I was very surprised by what I saw. I didn't expect that at all so while a bit abnormal it was still disconcerting.

Somebody must have put a bug in the ear of the PA system operator. He stopped playing "Hell's Bells" this week when the opposing QB started his snap count. I was afraid we were gonna get flagged at some point during the Memphis game for doing that well into the Tigers' snap count. Our scoreboard speaker system is LOUD.
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(10-06-2013 04:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 03:36 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I believe our AD needs to take a visit to Greenville and collect some information to see how you guys went about changing the culture.

Dont feel bad. I was that the NCSU/Wake game yesterday in Winston Salem. The stands were empty for this ACC matchup. Wake has the most apathetic fans I have ever seen. It is almost as if they are embarrassed to show school spirit. They have a super nice stadium and all the money they need to be successful. They simply lack the "culture" you are referring to.

Sounds exactly like MT. It seems like every football game I go to I will get showered with peanuts for standing up and yelling/cheering. It is so, so different from what I'm used to now in Miami where everyone's up and loud the whole game. Damn right it's the culture. And I agree that our AD needs to find something to work it out.
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(10-06-2013 03:36 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I believe our AD needs to take a visit to Greenville and collect some information to see how you guys went about changing the culture.

We had that culture in the late 60s. The attendance we have has been built over 5 decades. I wish I could encourage more of you in that regard, but it's a brick by brick deal. That keeps us with a large hard core group during lean years.
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(10-06-2013 04:46 PM)TG4 Wrote:  
(10-05-2013 08:57 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(10-05-2013 08:50 PM)ecudave198 Wrote:  Mtsu needs to work on game day atmosphere. The fans are totally uninvolved. They don't play music during breaks or have any cheers...just a flat atmosphere

I think I will forward that to the admin. Can't say that I disagree.

Of course the atmosphere is made better by a full stadium. Is this a chicken and egg thing or are there actually things they can do to make people more interested in coming?

Again, that's one of the weaker homecoming crowds we had, and I was very surprised by what I saw. I didn't expect that at all so while a bit abnormal it was still disconcerting.

Somebody must have put a bug in the ear of the PA system operator. He stopped playing "Hell's Bells" this week when the opposing QB started his snap count. I was afraid we were gonna get flagged at some point during the Memphis game for doing that well into the Tigers' snap count. Our scoreboard speaker system is LOUD.

I, too, thought we were going to be nailed for PA sound well into the start of several Memphis plays. Truth be known we should have been.
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(10-06-2013 05:05 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 03:36 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I believe our AD needs to take a visit to Greenville and collect some information to see how you guys went about changing the culture.

We had that culture in the late 60s. The attendance we have has been built over 5 decades. I wish I could encourage more of you in that regard, but it's a brick by brick deal. That keeps us with a large hard core group during lean years.

Exactly...There really was never anything to change from a fan support point of view, we have been very consistent at supporting our program over the decades....Our fight has been from a media perspective.
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(10-06-2013 05:51 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 05:05 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 03:36 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I believe our AD needs to take a visit to Greenville and collect some information to see how you guys went about changing the culture.

We had that culture in the late 60s. The attendance we have has been built over 5 decades. I wish I could encourage more of you in that regard, but it's a brick by brick deal. That keeps us with a large hard core group during lean years.

Exactly...There really was never anything to change from a fan support point of view, we have been very consistent at supporting our program over the decades....Our fight has been from a media perspective.

I think we (Middle Tennessee) have a couple of athletic departments that we are striving to emulate. I think they are East Carolina and Louisville. I admire both of you guys. Best of luck to the Pirates the rest of the season. You have a fine team.
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