Totally surprised that FIU won this game on the road. They had just totally given up on the season just last week.

(10-05-2013 07:18 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:51 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Absolute worst team in FBS, FCS, Div II, Div III, Junior College. Suckage at levels that are historic. Monken is clueless. Firing Bower was just a brilliant decision. How those 7-5 seasons with bowl games really sucked. Yea, right.

Firing Bower?

Didn't they go to four straight bowls and win a C-USA title under Fedora after getting rid of Bower?

I think the cupboard was just a little bare and Johnson was a bad coach. They are rebuilding.

Wish we played USM this year...

Fedora came in with the sole purpose of leaving as soon as he could. Don't blame him for that, but I do blame him for leaving the talent like he did. His last two recruiting years were terrible. Anyway, the difference in keeping Bower would be that he would have rebounded and would have kept the program winning and going to bowl games. The year before he got run off, he won 9 games, CUSA East and won a bowl game. Fedora had one year better than that. Even the year he was run off the team went 7-5 and went to a bowl. Now look where we are. Part of me feels like the arrogance of our school to fire a man with 14 straight winning seasons deserves this now.

(10-05-2013 07:18 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  Firing Bower?

Didn't they go to four straight bowls and win a C-USA title under Fedora after getting rid of Bower?

Bower's last 4 years
30-21
21-11 in CUSA
1 CUSA Championship game (L)
4 bowl's (3-1)


Fedora's 4 years
34-19
20-12 in cusa
1 CUSA championship game (W)
4 Bowls (2-2)

Bower played tougher OOC's and one of his years in old CUSA too.

I mean was it really worth firing an alum that likely would still be there winning games? Look where they are now. It took a few years but that choice as caught up with them big time because he'd likely still be there winning. Bower was nothing but loyal even though he was the lowest paid coach in CUSA at the time.

Who's going to want that job with the expectations relative the resources. They fired a successful alum coach for going 7-5 and then booted another coach after 1 year and they didn't even like Fedora when he was winning. Coaches can go to UAB or FAU or somewhere now and get paid as much and not have to deal with the lack of patience and expectations their fans put on there coaches.

(10-05-2013 08:00 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:18 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  Firing Bower?

Didn't they go to four straight bowls and win a C-USA title under Fedora after getting rid of Bower?

Bower's last 4 years
30-21
21-11 in CUSA
1 CUSA Championship game (L)
4 bowl's (3-1)


Fedora's 4 years
34-19
20-12 in cusa
1 CUSA championship game (W)
4 Bowls (2-2)

Bower played tougher OOC's and one of his years in old CUSA too.

I mean was it really worth firing an alum that likely would still be there winning games? Look where they are now. It took a few years but that choice as caught up with them big time.

You are 100% correct on this one SJ.

(10-05-2013 06:59 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:56 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  We -all- knew this team had problems.. but I'll be honest, I didn't think the QB slot would be one of them. And not this bad 5 weeks in. Where the hell is the OFFENSIVE GURU Coaching, Monk? I'm not going to say throw him out on the hook, but that one decision this offseason has me scratching my head asking what the hell is he doing?

Time to face the ugly fact, Monken is in way over his head. I know about the lack of talent and injuries, but how can you watch his team play and not see that he is terrible.

Yeah, Monken has turned the ball over 20 fkn times....get a ****** fkn clue

(10-05-2013 07:46 PM)marshallisqbu Wrote:  This league needs USM to rebound quickly.

True story.

(10-05-2013 08:01 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:00 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 07:18 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  Firing Bower?

Didn't they go to four straight bowls and win a C-USA title under Fedora after getting rid of Bower?

Bower's last 4 years
30-21
21-11 in CUSA
1 CUSA Championship game (L)
4 bowl's (3-1)


Fedora's 4 years
34-19
20-12 in cusa
1 CUSA championship game (W)
4 Bowls (2-2)

Bower played tougher OOC's and one of his years in old CUSA too.

I mean was it really worth firing an alum that likely would still be there winning games? Look where they are now. It took a few years but that choice as caught up with them big time.

You are 100% correct on this one SJ.

No he's not. You guys have no fkn clue.

I'll eat it in two years if it doesn't work out, but not right now....this team doesn't quit and the play calling is getting somewhat better....I may have expected 5-7 wins, but the gene pool is dry and losing 3 of our best defenders is killing us.



Acosta is a fkn joke....

USM thought they could do better.
Took a gamble, Not irrational; just hasn't worked out.

(10-05-2013 08:11 PM)DrBox Wrote:  USM thought they could do better.
Took a gamble, Not irrational; just hasn't worked out.

Look, I love JB and what he did. Fedora did change things. But, to expect a young coach to stay w/o the money or national prominence is ridiculous.

Fedora moved us forward.

We gambled on EJ, nepotism, and battery boy.....and fkd it up.

It's that simple.

This one is going to take time.

...and yeah, it fkn sucks

(10-05-2013 08:02 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:59 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:56 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  We -all- knew this team had problems.. but I'll be honest, I didn't think the QB slot would be one of them. And not this bad 5 weeks in. Where the hell is the OFFENSIVE GURU Coaching, Monk? I'm not going to say throw him out on the hook, but that one decision this offseason has me scratching my head asking what the hell is he doing?

Time to face the ugly fact, Monken is in way over his head. I know about the lack of talent and injuries, but how can you watch his team play and not see that he is terrible.

Yeah, Monken has turned the ball over 20 fkn times....get a ****** fkn clue

Wow, Mr. Bad ass. Monken has kept the qb in that probably has the majority of those turnovers and he is the head coach you idiot. He is responsible for whatever happens on that field by his team. He is in way over his head. It would take a blind idiot not to see that right now. Oh well, what flavor of kool aid do you drink?

(10-05-2013 08:09 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  No he's not. You guys have no fkn clue.

Bower would likely have won about 30 games like Fedora, and we know he wouldn't be staring 0-24 down. Face it you guys screwed up big time firing him. There is something BIG to be said for having an alum coach that's not looking to leave. That's one of the main reasons I think our fans were idiots to be on Ruff so hard. You guys may never have that again and now even if you do luck up and with a hire, he's not going to stay. You'll constantly be in transition which leads to messes like you are in.

Quote:I'll eat it in two years if it doesn't work out, but not right now....

It's not working out now. Down the drain was an 18 year win streak and replaced with a 17 game losing one and counting. Give me Bower back all day and night. The guy is 60 years old. He'd probably be there another 5 years and have giving you 25 straight years of winning.

(10-05-2013 08:21 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:09 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  No he's not. You guys have no fkn clue.

Bower would likely have won about 30 games like Fedora, and we know he wouldn't be staring 0-24 down. Face it you guys screwed up big time firing him. There is something BIG to be said for having an alum coach that's not looking to leave. That's one of the main reasons I think our fans were idiots to be on Ruff so hard. You guys may never have that again and now even if you do luck up and with a hire, he's not going to stay. You'll constantly be in transition which leads to messes like you are in.

Quote:I'll eat it in two years if it doesn't work out, but not right now....

It's not working out now. Down the drain was an 18 year win streak and replaced with a 17 game losing one and counting. Give me Bower back all day and night. The guy is 60 years old. He'd probably be there another 5 years and have giving you 25 straight years of winning.

thank you mr "history doesn't mean shite"....you are a 'special' person....it has been confirmed

holy fk how the board would blow if we won in two weeks....you would suck on that wouldn't ya....moron

(10-05-2013 06:51 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Absolute worst team in FBS, FCS, Div II, Div III, Junior College. Suckage at levels that are historic. Monken is clueless. Firing Bower was just a brilliant decision. How those 7-5 seasons with bowl games really sucked. Yea, right.

Firing Bower was an OK move if we were really committed to advancing the program. Fedora won 7, 7, and 12. Bower would have won 7, 7, and 7... maybe.

The real screw-up was not keeping Fedora long enough to get out of C-USA. USM's greatest enemy is being perceived as small time, and that enemy won. People will never admit it, but watching teams like Tulane and Memphis leave C-USA just killed USM football. That's where our confidence went.

We should have given Fedora a big signing bonus and a mandate to get us out of C-USA. Instead, the party line was and is "we'll be just fine" and we've now got a bad case of the disease that causes. Ain't nothin' gonna be just fine.

(10-05-2013 08:19 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:02 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:59 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:56 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  We -all- knew this team had problems.. but I'll be honest, I didn't think the QB slot would be one of them. And not this bad 5 weeks in. Where the hell is the OFFENSIVE GURU Coaching, Monk? I'm not going to say throw him out on the hook, but that one decision this offseason has me scratching my head asking what the hell is he doing?

Time to face the ugly fact, Monken is in way over his head. I know about the lack of talent and injuries, but how can you watch his team play and not see that he is terrible.

Yeah, Monken has turned the ball over 20 fkn times....get a ****** fkn clue

Wow, Mr. Bad ass. Monken has kept the qb in that probably has the majority of those turnovers and he is the head coach you idiot. He is responsible for whatever happens on that field by his team. He is in way over his head. It would take a blind idiot not to see that right now. Oh well, what flavor of kool aid do you drink?

purple...like it's a secret

w/o seeing mullens from the start, one has to assume he isn't ready....i've bashed ab from the get go or do you not pay attention....so fk off you mindless twit....good to know you've adopted the st louis mindset....i was born there so i know

(10-05-2013 06:51 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Absolute worst team in FBS, FCS, Div II, Div III, Junior College. Suckage at levels that are historic. Monken is clueless. Firing Bower was just a brilliant decision. How those 7-5 seasons with bowl games really sucked. Yea, right.

You can't make that claim until the showdown at Legion Field at the end of the year. Loser takes all the marbles.

(10-05-2013 08:18 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  Look, I love JB and what he did. Fedora did change thinks.

He won about the same as Bower in his last 4 years. That's a fact.

Quote:But, to expect a young coach to stay w/o the money or national prominence is ridiculous.

There in lies your problem. You didn't have that problem when Bower was there and he'd still be there winning right now most likely.

Quote:Fedora moved us forward.

Again, he won about the same then dropped you on your head.

Quote:We gambled on EJ, nepotism, and battery boy.....and fkd it up.

Or perhaps your pool of candidates isn't that great? Look around. Who is going to want to go to a place with expectations like that where you will fire an alum coach winning 7+ games a year, EVERY year for about the same pay the ULM coach makes or whatever. Or a place where you will fire a coach after 1 year. I've never even heard of that lack of patience before EJ.

(10-05-2013 08:26 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Firing Bower was an OK move if we were really committed to advancing the program. Fedora won 7, 7, and 12. Bower would have won 7, 7, and 7... maybe.

Bower's last 4 years
30-21
21-11 in CUSA
1 CUSA Championship game (L)
4 bowl's (3-1)


Fedora's 4 years
34-19
20-12 in cusa
1 CUSA championship game (W)
4 Bowls (2-2)

Neat Myth. Bower played tougher schedules too and won more in CUSA.

Quote:The real screw-up was not keeping Fedora long enough to get out of C-USA.

You weren't going to keep him. None of us can keep a coach if a bigger fish comes. We couldn't even keep Holtz from USF.

(10-05-2013 08:29 PM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:51 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  Absolute worst team in FBS, FCS, Div II, Div III, Junior College. Suckage at levels that are historic. Monken is clueless. Firing Bower was just a brilliant decision. How those 7-5 seasons with bowl games really sucked. Yea, right.

You can't make that claim until the showdown at Legion Field at the end of the year. Loser takes all the marbles.

people thought that tonight....it now comes down to "shite we can't lose to these guys" and you guys have owned us lately....kudos.....never thought we would gain "pillow fight" prominence....all feathery now

I had to listen to a mfkr chompin' 0fer tonight.....it didn't end well

we are in a bad spot, but the solution is not an internet *****-fest....and I still trust in Monk!

So and I hope it doesn't come down to marbles.....

(10-05-2013 08:31 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:18 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  Look, I love JB and what he did. Fedora did change thinks.

He won about the same as Bower in his last 4 years. That's a fact.

Quote:But, to expect a young coach to stay w/o the money or national prominence is ridiculous.

There in lies your problem. You didn't have that problem when Bower was there and he'd still be there winning right now most likely.

Quote:Fedora moved us forward.

Again, he won about the same then dropped you on your head.

Quote:We gambled on EJ, nepotism, and battery boy.....and fkd it up.

Or perhaps your pool of candidates isn't that great? Look around. Who is going to want to go to a place with expectations like that where you will fire an alum coach winning 7+ games a year, EVERY year for about the same pay the ULM coach makes or whatever. Or a place where you will fire a coach after 1 year. I've never even heard of that lack of patience before EJ.

Dude, we fired a coach after 1.8 years. There is an upside to getting rid of a bad hire before he does too much damage.

I will say this much: "he whose name shall not be spoken aloud" did recruit well. I'm not so sure that the same thing can be said about EJ or even Fedora during his last couple of years.

(10-05-2013 08:31 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:18 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  Look, I love JB and what he did. Fedora did change thinks.

He won about the same as Bower in his last 4 years. That's a fact.

Quote:But, to expect a young coach to stay w/o the money or national prominence is ridiculous.

There in lies your problem. You didn't have that problem when Bower was there and he'd still be there winning right now most likely.

Quote:Fedora moved us forward.

Again, he won about the same then dropped you on your head.

Quote:We gambled on EJ, nepotism, and battery boy.....and fkd it up.

Or perhaps your pool of candidates isn't that great? Look around. Who is going to want to go to a place with expectations like that where you will fire an alum coach winning 7+ games a year, EVERY year for about the same pay the ULM coach makes or whatever. Or a place where you will fire a coach after 1 year. I've never even heard of that lack of patience before EJ.

Bower was going to retire soon anyway....sorry, you didn't know that did you?

12-2 is a fact also while ass-stomping UH at their house....so the point is???????

18 straight winning seasons???? patience for what????

ur out of your element....stick with the stupid hoops logic and piss off