(10-05-2013 08:13 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Surely Ross will be doing everything within his power to play next week in front of a bunch of hometown family and friends?

If Ross' knee is in the same condition as Nwosu can he get a redshirt, too? He's only played in 3 games.

And OO, I stand corrected. I thought the board would be generally ecstatic after the close win (I know I am), but it's the same old bitching as always. Now a ton of it is deserved, but we're not going to play a near perfect game very often, and when we don't, I like it when we win anyway. I was very happy with our offensive coaching staff in the first half, and in the second half they were pathetic (as has been mentioned once or twice). And while we're thousands of miles from the Crimson Tide D, it's still one of our best in a generation or two (not saying much).

The players need to be made aware of our 2-0 start in '94 with wins over ut and Tech. I tiny bit of additional effort in a couple of games could have brought us the undisputed SWC championship (at least among teams that weren't currently in the cheating doghouse).

(10-05-2013 08:13 PM)Buho00 Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:52 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Well we might be the worst 3-2 team in college football (although I may need to look at the standings to see our competition). But 3-2 (and 2-0 in conference play) is 3-2. Again our western side is looking very inferior (and now I'm thinking Tulane is our toughest game the rest of the season - them or North Texas).

I think today once again shows how much we need Charles Ross. The guys who are replacing him are doing fine but Ross is in a different league.

I'll take another ugly win next week in San Antonio.

You're not giving our defense enough credit. As far as schedule, we've played 1 top 10 team, 3 "BCS" conference teams, the defending conference champion, and FAU who has 2 wins.

Though UH was a big loss, Tulsa was a bigger win, being a conference game and not winning in past 6 tries. Coaching was good in first half - I thought the offensive play calling was solid and the QB play was good. But we got exposed in the 2nd half, with questionable handling of the QB position, double digits penalties, and poor offensive play-call. Then in OT it was back to 1st half, with a good stop, good play call, good execution by QB. Covington played a heck of a game. Didn't have sacks or many TFL, but made a ton of plays, including a forced fumble, a QB hurry that lead to an INT, and another QB hurry at the end to force a FG. He is a play-maker at DT the likes of which I've never seen at Rice. And he's only a soph! The defense in general played with great effort. Our LB's can cover. Dillard is another bright spot. Two weeks now where he makes the play of the game for the offense. His 20 yard run vs FAU for the go ahead was clutch last week, and now an even more clutch 20+ yard TD catch/walk-off. He might have a better season than his legendary brother had as a freshman.

I believe Jarett Dillard had a walk off catch of his own the last time we won vs Tulsa. Crazy!

Covington is very good but still has a ways to go to match this fellow. And I hope he does.



Walker against Notre Dame in '74 was amazing.

(10-05-2013 07:01 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  went to the store at 6:18 left in 4Q
Rice leading Tulsa 24-13
game winding down.

Came back and final score was:
Rice 30 Tulsa 27 FINAL in Overtime

YOu are NEVER allowed to go to the store again during a Rice game

Ever


Ever


Ever

(10-05-2013 08:13 PM)Buho00 Wrote:  I believe Jarett Dillard had a walk off catch of his own the last time we won vs Tulsa. Crazy!

Yes, JD had the walk-off catch in that game.

(10-05-2013 08:13 PM)Buho00 Wrote:  You're not giving our defense enough credit. As far as schedule, we've played 1 top 10 team, 3 "BCS" conference teams, the defending conference champion, and FAU who has 2 wins.

I don't count AAC as a BCS conference.

(10-05-2013 09:22 PM)wrysal Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:13 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Surely Ross will be doing everything within his power to play next week in front of a bunch of hometown family and friends?

If Ross' knee is in the same condition as Nwosu can he get a redshirt, too? He's only played in 3 games.

And OO, I stand corrected. I thought the board would be generally ecstatic after the close win (I know I am), but it's the same old bitching as always. Now a ton of it is deserved, but we're not going to play a near perfect game very often, and when we don't, I like it when we win anyway. I was very happy with our offensive coaching staff in the first half, and in the second half they were pathetic (as has been mentioned once or twice). And while we're thousands of miles from the Crimson Tide D, it's still one of our best in a generation or two (not saying much).

The players need to be made aware of our 2-0 start in '94 with wins over ut and Tech. I tiny bit of additional effort in a couple of games could have brought us the undisputed SWC championship (at least among teams that weren't currently in the cheating doghouse).

Ross is a 5th year senior so it's iffy for him to get a 6th year. Nwosu has a redshirt year available.

(10-05-2013 07:01 PM)WIowl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:59 PM)smackdaddy Wrote:  I know it's not a shock to any of us here--or shouldn't be--but I've just been listening to post-game interviews with the players and it's amazing how articulate our guys are compared to typical post-game football interviews. Petersen and McHargue were just excellent. Makes me as proud as their work on the field.

+1

+1

Petersen, Porras, Covington, et al. seemed to really step up the intensity today. Perhaps it has always been at that level, but it was particularly visible today.

It would taken just one game to come out different-win or tie instead of a loss to got the outright championship and go to the Cotton Bowl.

(10-05-2013 09:22 PM)wrysal Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:13 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Surely Ross will be doing everything within his power to play next week in front of a bunch of hometown family and friends?

If Ross' knee is in the same condition as Nwosu can he get a redshirt, too? He's only played in 3 games.

And OO, I stand corrected. I thought the board would be generally ecstatic after the close win (I know I am), but it's the same old bitching as always. Now a ton of it is deserved, but we're not going to play a near perfect game very often, and when we don't, I like it when we win anyway. I was very happy with our offensive coaching staff in the first half, and in the second half they were pathetic (as has been mentioned once or twice). And while we're thousands of miles from the Crimson Tide D, it's still one of our best in a generation or two (not saying much).

The players need to be made aware of our 2-0 start in '94 with wins over ut and Tech. I tiny bit of additional effort in a couple of games could have brought us the undisputed SWC championship (at least among teams that weren't currently in the cheating doghouse).

(10-05-2013 09:22 PM)wrysal Wrote:  ...I thought the board would be generally ecstatic after the close win (I know I am), but it's the same old bitching as always...

That's because we are, um, detail-oriented. Very detail-oriented! Very attentive!

Great win!

(10-05-2013 09:27 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 08:13 PM)Buho00 Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:52 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Well we might be the worst 3-2 team in college football (although I may need to look at the standings to see our competition). But 3-2 (and 2-0 in conference play) is 3-2. Again our western side is looking very inferior (and now I'm thinking Tulane is our toughest game the rest of the season - them or North Texas).

I think today once again shows how much we need Charles Ross. The guys who are replacing him are doing fine but Ross is in a different league.

I'll take another ugly win next week in San Antonio.

You're not giving our defense enough credit. As far as schedule, we've played 1 top 10 team, 3 "BCS" conference teams, the defending conference champion, and FAU who has 2 wins.

Though UH was a big loss, Tulsa was a bigger win, being a conference game and not winning in past 6 tries. Coaching was good in first half - I thought the offensive play calling was solid and the QB play was good. But we got exposed in the 2nd half, with questionable handling of the QB position, double digits penalties, and poor offensive play-call. Then in OT it was back to 1st half, with a good stop, good play call, good execution by QB. Covington played a heck of a game. Didn't have sacks or many TFL, but made a ton of plays, including a forced fumble, a QB hurry that lead to an INT, and another QB hurry at the end to force a FG. He is a play-maker at DT the likes of which I've never seen at Rice. And he's only a soph! The defense in general played with great effort. Our LB's can cover. Dillard is another bright spot. Two weeks now where he makes the play of the game for the offense. His 20 yard run vs FAU for the go ahead was clutch last week, and now an even more clutch 20+ yard TD catch/walk-off. He might have a better season than his legendary brother had as a freshman.

I believe Jarett Dillard had a walk off catch of his own the last time we won vs Tulsa. Crazy!

Covington is very good but still has a ways to go to match this fellow. And I hope he does.



Walker against Notre Dame in '74 was amazing.

Omg Cornelius was amazing

I haven't read the game thread but what the &$);!@ was the wildowl on 1st and 20 on their 25-did we already give up the td?

No deep thoughts from me, just caught up on DVR. Well, one deep thought I guess. It kills me that Rice had so much momentum and such a nice lead, and just never could put their foot on Tulsa's throat. Not the first time in the Bailiff era this has happened. Nice to get the early lead and come out strong (change from prior years), but come on, go for blood for once!

And its painful to see McHargue get in such a great rhythm early, only to be completely ineffective for a long stretch. And the coaching staff clearly has zero faith in Jackson's throwing ability right now. So as much as some people want to see DJ, hard to say what can be expected if he had the reigns. I'd still want to see Billups or Stehling if the staff doesn't trust DJ, but what does that matter. Just annoying to watch a team where they don't seem to trust many of their QB's to throw the ball. Also, how many times was McHargue forced out of the pocket, but rather than throw it away for an INC, he ran out of bounds for a loss? Seemed like it was at least 3, saw Edmonson yelling at him after one of them.

On the positive, was there a single completion to a receiver covered by Callahan or Gaines? They were barely tested.

Two plays I'd like to see to better understand what happened - the 4th quarter interception and the wheel route to end the game. As described by the radio broadcast, sounded as if the Hatfield would have approved that last call.

Will be fun to see what the defense can do against UTSA.

Listening to the radio broadcast it is very clear the JP has found his place. On one play he made FIVE mistakes and I'd guess his average was at least two per play. Clearly he excels in mangling football better than he ever did Baseball. I haven't heard him do basketball yet, so he may yet outdo himself. I wonder what the new AD thinks? Clearly the old one didn't care.

(10-05-2013 06:52 PM)texd Wrote:  I posted this in the game thread, but will repeat it here since those present at the game may read only one thread: I still don't know what the Unsportsmanlike Conduct call was for. Perhaps once someone who was there will have seen it.

Those two unsportsmanlike penalties - one, the late hit on the 2 point conversion - played a huge role in allowing Tulsa to come back and tie the game. There was a third late hit early in the game that was. it particularly bright, but I can't recall offhand if it was consequential or not. In aggregate, these were disappointing penalties. The one on the conversion, I could accept.

edit: the late hit out of bounds did factor into the 37 yard FG to make it 24-13. Another 15 yarder also factored in to TU's first touchdown. That was listed as a face mask, but called as a horsecollar on Gaines. That seemed the least objectionable of all four of these, but together, they factor into about 15 points.

(10-05-2013 06:52 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Well we might be the worst 3-2 team in college football (although I may need to look at the standings to see our competition). But 3-2 (and 2-0 in conference play) is 3-2. Again our western side is looking very inferior (and now I'm thinking Tulane is our toughest game the rest of the season - them or North Texas).

I think today once again shows how much we need Charles Ross. The guys who are replacing him are doing fine but Ross is in a different league.

I'll take another ugly win next week in San Antonio.

Rice will probably wind up as the worst x-y team in the country for whatever value of x and y they wind up with. But x should be somewhat higher than other teams records who have similar quality, as per Sagarin or whatever. It comes with the crappy schedule.

(10-05-2013 06:54 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:52 PM)texd Wrote:  I posted this in the game thread, but will repeat it here since those present at the game may read only one thread: I still don't know what the Unsportsmanlike Conduct call was for. Perhaps once someone who was there will have seen it.

I was very upset with the officiating today. From the inadvertent whistle on Callahan's punt return to about 3 non-calls that started out as fouls. I'm not saying our penalties weren't penalties (but like you, I'd like to see what happened on that personal foul). I just thought the calls were very one-sided. Tulsa could have gotten calls on some interferences and holds but rarely got that call against them.

I was trying to understand what happened on Callahan's return. That didn't seem inadvertent. Did one returner signal fair catch, while Callahan picked it up on the hop?

(10-05-2013 07:44 PM)MemOwl Wrote:  Nwosu redshirting is a huge boost to next year. Props to Kutzler for stepping up. Hope Ross can get back on the field.

The TV guys credited Nwosu with a tackle. Did I hear that wrong, or did he actually play?

edit: game stats indicate he did not.

(10-06-2013 05:49 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:54 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(10-05-2013 06:52 PM)texd Wrote:  I posted this in the game thread, but will repeat it here since those present at the game may read only one thread: I still don't know what the Unsportsmanlike Conduct call was for. Perhaps once someone who was there will have seen it.

I was very upset with the officiating today. From the inadvertent whistle on Callahan's punt return to about 3 non-calls that started out as fouls. I'm not saying our penalties weren't penalties (but like you, I'd like to see what happened on that personal foul). I just thought the calls were very one-sided. Tulsa could have gotten calls on some interferences and holds but rarely got that call against them.

I was trying to understand what happened on Callahan's return. That didn't seem inadvertent. Did one returner signal fair catch, while Callahan picked it up on the hop?

Wouldn't that be a penalty on us if we tried to advance it then? There was no penalty called on that play. About the only positive thing I could say about the officiating crew was one of the guys had stunningly bright teeth - we're talking Matt Dillon and Something About Mary white here.