(10-06-2013 08:13 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:09 AM)indycat Wrote:  It's become clear after five games that UC truly lacks a proven QB and/or RB. It's pretty tough for a team to be special without either one or both. In the second half, Kay was much better and Green delivered more of what all of us have been looking for in the running game. Why did it take two ugly road losses and an ugly road win to figure that out? The coaches didn't fumble the ball at our own 25 or throw the picks but I'm not giving them a free pass either. Clearly, this team was not ready to match the intensity of a hungry USF squad on the road...or a hungry IL or Miami team earlier this year.

I was as disappointed as anyone with last night's performance. Will all be well with wins over Temple and UConn? Not until this team demonstrates it can play competently on the road.

For those ready to jump off the bandwagon, Nippert will still be renovated, a P5 conference will still come calling and this team will recover, win seven, and reach a bowl to continue the postseason tradition. I just didn't expect such a difficult transition with a proven, veteran coach. When Butch lost his first year at Fresno State and NC State I thought he was in completely over his head at the BCS level. He certainly turned that around in year two and this staff will too. In hindsight, expectations were too high. Tuberville didn't inherit the talent, depth and experience that guy up north did one year ago.

By all accounts this is the most talented roster in our history.

Hopefully the rest of our opponents aren't hungry to play us or we're screwed. We're looking bad against teams that are worse than 50 or so FCS teams. Thankfully Mcneese St. isn't on the schedule.

(10-06-2013 08:13 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:09 AM)indycat Wrote:  It's become clear after five games that UC truly lacks a proven QB and/or RB. It's pretty tough for a team to be special without either one or both. In the second half, Kay was much better and Green delivered more of what all of us have been looking for in the running game. Why did it take two ugly road losses and an ugly road win to figure that out? The coaches didn't fumble the ball at our own 25 or throw the picks but I'm not giving them a free pass either. Clearly, this team was not ready to match the intensity of a hungry USF squad on the road...or a hungry IL or Miami team earlier this year.

I was as disappointed as anyone with last night's performance. Will all be well with wins over Temple and UConn? Not until this team demonstrates it can play competently on the road.

For those ready to jump off the bandwagon, Nippert will still be renovated, a P5 conference will still come calling and this team will recover, win seven, and reach a bowl to continue the postseason tradition. I just didn't expect such a difficult transition with a proven, veteran coach. When Butch lost his first year at Fresno State and NC State I thought he was in completely over his head at the BCS level. He certainly turned that around in year two and this staff will too. In hindsight, expectations were too high. Tuberville didn't inherit the talent, depth and experience that guy up north did one year ago.

By all accounts this is the most talented roster in our history.

Whoever suggested this was the most talented roster in our history was either ill informed or prone to hyperbole after smoking something. Talent evaluation is always a highly subjective opinion at best. Show me a Mauk, Pike, Peed or Gilyard who can truly change a game anywhere on this roster. There's a reason Kay hasn't started all these years. Few on here thought Munchie was the man for the job prior to his injury despite being a gifted athlete. So which QB or RB on this roster takes control of a game through their leadership?

I'm not giving the coaching staff a free pass at all. We also witnessed Louisville losing to UConn last year but no one remembers that after they crushed FL in the Sugar Bowl. It's a long season and the coaching staff should be held accountable. But the loss to USF isn't the fall from grace for the entire football program as some were proclaiming last night.

(10-06-2013 12:22 PM)indycat Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:13 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:09 AM)indycat Wrote:  It's become clear after five games that UC truly lacks a proven QB and/or RB. It's pretty tough for a team to be special without either one or both. In the second half, Kay was much better and Green delivered more of what all of us have been looking for in the running game. Why did it take two ugly road losses and an ugly road win to figure that out? The coaches didn't fumble the ball at our own 25 or throw the picks but I'm not giving them a free pass either. Clearly, this team was not ready to match the intensity of a hungry USF squad on the road...or a hungry IL or Miami team earlier this year.

I was as disappointed as anyone with last night's performance. Will all be well with wins over Temple and UConn? Not until this team demonstrates it can play competently on the road.

For those ready to jump off the bandwagon, Nippert will still be renovated, a P5 conference will still come calling and this team will recover, win seven, and reach a bowl to continue the postseason tradition. I just didn't expect such a difficult transition with a proven, veteran coach. When Butch lost his first year at Fresno State and NC State I thought he was in completely over his head at the BCS level. He certainly turned that around in year two and this staff will too. In hindsight, expectations were too high. Tuberville didn't inherit the talent, depth and experience that guy up north did one year ago.

By all accounts this is the most talented roster in our history.

Whoever suggested this was the most talented roster in our history was either ill informed or prone to hyperbole after smoking something. Talent evaluation is always a highly subjective opinion at best. Show me a Mauk, Pike, Peed or Gilyard who can truly change a game anywhere on this roster. There's a reason Kay hasn't started all these years. Few on here thought Munchie was the man for the job prior to his injury despite being a gifted athlete. So which QB or RB on this roster takes control of a game through their leadership?

I'm not giving the coaching staff a free pass at all. We also witnessed Louisville losing to UConn last year but no one remembers that after they crushed FL in the Sugar Bowl. It's a long season and the coaching staff should be held accountable. But the loss to USF isn't the fall from grace for the entire football program as some were proclaiming last night.

UofL steadily improved last year and Charlie Strong can coach.

UL also had Teddy Bridgewater

yeah...any comparison to last year's UofL team and this year's UC team need to be limited to things like, they both wore helmets and pads, they both had uniforms with their last names on them, etc.

(10-06-2013 12:22 PM)indycat Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:13 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:09 AM)indycat Wrote:  It's become clear after five games that UC truly lacks a proven QB and/or RB. It's pretty tough for a team to be special without either one or both. In the second half, Kay was much better and Green delivered more of what all of us have been looking for in the running game. Why did it take two ugly road losses and an ugly road win to figure that out? The coaches didn't fumble the ball at our own 25 or throw the picks but I'm not giving them a free pass either. Clearly, this team was not ready to match the intensity of a hungry USF squad on the road...or a hungry IL or Miami team earlier this year.

I was as disappointed as anyone with last night's performance. Will all be well with wins over Temple and UConn? Not until this team demonstrates it can play competently on the road.

For those ready to jump off the bandwagon, Nippert will still be renovated, a P5 conference will still come calling and this team will recover, win seven, and reach a bowl to continue the postseason tradition. I just didn't expect such a difficult transition with a proven, veteran coach. When Butch lost his first year at Fresno State and NC State I thought he was in completely over his head at the BCS level. He certainly turned that around in year two and this staff will too. In hindsight, expectations were too high. Tuberville didn't inherit the talent, depth and experience that guy up north did one year ago.

By all accounts this is the most talented roster in our history.

Whoever suggested this was the most talented roster in our history was either ill informed or prone to hyperbole after smoking something. Talent evaluation is always a highly subjective opinion at best. Show me a Mauk, Pike, Peed or Gilyard who can truly change a game anywhere on this roster. There's a reason Kay hasn't started all these years. Few on here thought Munchie was the man for the job prior to his injury despite being a gifted athlete. So which QB or RB on this roster takes control of a game through their leadership?

I'm not giving the coaching staff a free pass at all. We also witnessed Louisville losing to UConn last year but no one remembers that after they crushed FL in the Sugar Bowl. It's a long season and the coaching staff should be held accountable. But the loss to USF isn't the fall from grace for the entire football program as some were proclaiming last night.

People around the program and even Tim Adams thought this was the most talented group. How is Texas tech ranked with a first year head coach and we lose to USf? What about the Miami game, we won but what a poor showing. Illinois hadn't beat a d1 team in two years. Kay didn't start all these years because he was hurt most of them so he really didn't have a chance. How does this team last year win a bowl game with Kay and no head coach then look so terrible now?

(10-06-2013 05:22 PM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 12:22 PM)indycat Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:13 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:09 AM)indycat Wrote:  It's become clear after five games that UC truly lacks a proven QB and/or RB. It's pretty tough for a team to be special without either one or both. In the second half, Kay was much better and Green delivered more of what all of us have been looking for in the running game. Why did it take two ugly road losses and an ugly road win to figure that out? The coaches didn't fumble the ball at our own 25 or throw the picks but I'm not giving them a free pass either. Clearly, this team was not ready to match the intensity of a hungry USF squad on the road...or a hungry IL or Miami team earlier this year.

I was as disappointed as anyone with last night's performance. Will all be well with wins over Temple and UConn? Not until this team demonstrates it can play competently on the road.

For those ready to jump off the bandwagon, Nippert will still be renovated, a P5 conference will still come calling and this team will recover, win seven, and reach a bowl to continue the postseason tradition. I just didn't expect such a difficult transition with a proven, veteran coach. When Butch lost his first year at Fresno State and NC State I thought he was in completely over his head at the BCS level. He certainly turned that around in year two and this staff will too. In hindsight, expectations were too high. Tuberville didn't inherit the talent, depth and experience that guy up north did one year ago.

By all accounts this is the most talented roster in our history.

Whoever suggested this was the most talented roster in our history was either ill informed or prone to hyperbole after smoking something. Talent evaluation is always a highly subjective opinion at best. Show me a Mauk, Pike, Peed or Gilyard who can truly change a game anywhere on this roster. There's a reason Kay hasn't started all these years. Few on here thought Munchie was the man for the job prior to his injury despite being a gifted athlete. So which QB or RB on this roster takes control of a game through their leadership?

I'm not giving the coaching staff a free pass at all. We also witnessed Louisville losing to UConn last year but no one remembers that after they crushed FL in the Sugar Bowl. It's a long season and the coaching staff should be held accountable. But the loss to USF isn't the fall from grace for the entire football program as some were proclaiming last night.

People around the program and even Tim Adams thought this was the most talented group. How is Texas tech ranked with a first year head coach and we lose to USf? What about the Miami game, we won but what a poor showing. Illinois hadn't beat a d1 team in two years. Kay didn't start all these years because he was hurt most of them so he really didn't have a chance. How does this team last year win a bowl game with Kay and no head coach then look so terrible now?

Bingo...exactly what most of us are saying and asking. I'm tired of the new staff excuse. Kaufman and some of the defensive staff are at least in the game and performing at a high enough level to keep us in a game. Gran is just not ready to be an OC and he is in WAY over his head. There are plenty of first year staffs that are way more competent and doing better than what we have. And yes, I have said it before just look at T-Tech...they are killing it and we are laying an egg.

I just cant get over the fact that we lost to one of the worst teams in the country in any division and people think we are going to win the remaining games or "kill" anyone. I want some of that Kool-Aid. Temple is not a good team but they are better than USF and Miami combined. Rutgers, UConn, SMU, Memphis, Houston or Louisville. Can someone find a definite win in that group? Let's also not forget that these teams we have yet to play are not SEC caliber and most are mid FCS caliber. I want to be optimistic, but this team with this staff, especially the offensive staff leaves a ton to be desired. At this point 4-8 may be a stretch, without a huge turn around and a lot of introspection.

(10-06-2013 05:22 PM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 12:22 PM)indycat Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:13 AM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(10-06-2013 08:09 AM)indycat Wrote:  It's become clear after five games that UC truly lacks a proven QB and/or RB. It's pretty tough for a team to be special without either one or both. In the second half, Kay was much better and Green delivered more of what all of us have been looking for in the running game. Why did it take two ugly road losses and an ugly road win to figure that out? The coaches didn't fumble the ball at our own 25 or throw the picks but I'm not giving them a free pass either. Clearly, this team was not ready to match the intensity of a hungry USF squad on the road...or a hungry IL or Miami team earlier this year.

I was as disappointed as anyone with last night's performance. Will all be well with wins over Temple and UConn? Not until this team demonstrates it can play competently on the road.

For those ready to jump off the bandwagon, Nippert will still be renovated, a P5 conference will still come calling and this team will recover, win seven, and reach a bowl to continue the postseason tradition. I just didn't expect such a difficult transition with a proven, veteran coach. When Butch lost his first year at Fresno State and NC State I thought he was in completely over his head at the BCS level. He certainly turned that around in year two and this staff will too. In hindsight, expectations were too high. Tuberville didn't inherit the talent, depth and experience that guy up north did one year ago.

By all accounts this is the most talented roster in our history.

Whoever suggested this was the most talented roster in our history was either ill informed or prone to hyperbole after smoking something. Talent evaluation is always a highly subjective opinion at best. Show me a Mauk, Pike, Peed or Gilyard who can truly change a game anywhere on this roster. There's a reason Kay hasn't started all these years. Few on here thought Munchie was the man for the job prior to his injury despite being a gifted athlete. So which QB or RB on this roster takes control of a game through their leadership?

I'm not giving the coaching staff a free pass at all. We also witnessed Louisville losing to UConn last year but no one remembers that after they crushed FL in the Sugar Bowl. It's a long season and the coaching staff should be held accountable. But the loss to USF isn't the fall from grace for the entire football program as some were proclaiming last night.

People around the program and even Tim Adams thought this was the most talented group. How is Texas tech ranked with a first year head coach and we lose to USf? What about the Miami game, we won but what a poor showing. Illinois hadn't beat a d1 team in two years. Kay didn't start all these years because he was hurt most of them so he really didn't have a chance. How does this team last year win a bowl game with Kay and no head coach then look so terrible now?

IMO this is the most talented roster from top to bottom that UC has ever had, and it really isn't close to any other teams.

X2. This roster has no business showing up the way it has. It's indefensible.

Kay might be one of the easier QBs to read . He doesnt take the time to look at both sides of the field for the most part and has his eyes locked on the receiver he plans on throwing to. He also has a very slow release. The whole thing he does with his arm..no that has to stop. He gives the defender so much time to move on the ball before hes even released it.

Im sorry Butch for not understanding why munchie was the QB last year. Sadly, hes definitely the better QB

(10-07-2013 06:48 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  Kay might be one of the easier QBs to read . He doesnt take the time to look at both sides of the field for the most part and has his eyes locked on the receiver he plans on throwing to. He also has a very slow release. The whole thing he does with his arm..no that has to stop. He gives the defender so much time to move on the ball before hes even released it.

Im sorry Butch for not understanding why munchie was the QB last year. Sadly, hes definitely the better QB

You are going to give THAT as the reason Munchie is a better QB? His delivery is much slower than Kay's (makes Kay's look quick by comparison) and he always locked on to the primary receiver. That's why so many of his passes got tipped at the line of scrimmage.

In spite of a pitiful performance, UC still could have won late with a touchdown and PAT. The mistakes they made in the first half cost them the game. Given their poor performances on the road so far, none of this suggests they'll lose at home to Temple or UConn. This has turned out to be a defensive team and Nippert trumps Gran.

Some of the comments on here mirror those by Bengals fans immediately after the loss to the Browns. If it was up to them, Dalton would have been cut this week before the win over the Patriots because he is, "totally worthless."

Gran should feel some heat but I wouldn't bet the farm on this team going 4-8. They will improve; they will bowl.

Kay does lock on to receivers with his eyes. Coney gets one play, throws an int and goes back to the bench? Maybe Benny got more than one, as bad as they were playing I flipped around.
TT doesn't impress me at all so far. It's early, but if this is the future let's just beam forward three years and get a new staff.

I agree, Beck. Guess it depends on what the goal is.

For this gang, the gold ring going forward looks to be 7-5 in a bad conference and a trip to Birmingham for a bowl game every year in mid December. Raise the roof...

(10-07-2013 06:51 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 06:48 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  Kay might be one of the easier QBs to read . He doesnt take the time to look at both sides of the field for the most part and has his eyes locked on the receiver he plans on throwing to. He also has a very slow release. The whole thing he does with his arm..no that has to stop. He gives the defender so much time to move on the ball before hes even released it.

Im sorry Butch for not understanding why munchie was the QB last year. Sadly, hes definitely the better QB

You are going to give THAT as the reason Munchie is a better QB? His delivery is much slower than Kay's (makes Kay's look quick by comparison) and he always locked on to the primary receiver. That's why so many of his passes got tipped at the line of scrimmage.

Oh my. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Kay checks down...the next time Munchie does will be the first..

Bigger problem now is the other team knows our play before the snap. Like playing Tecmo Bowl against the computer set to Easy Mode.

(10-07-2013 08:13 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Bigger problem now is the other team knows our play before the snap. Like playing Tecmo Bowl against the computer set to Easy Mode.

Yeah, if I'm a UC coach this week I'm having the defense try to simulate what Miami and USF ran against UC because it's a safe bet Temple will try to do a lot of the same things.

And then I'm trying to run some plays that will work against it.

(10-07-2013 08:56 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 08:13 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Bigger problem now is the other team knows our play before the snap. Like playing Tecmo Bowl against the computer set to Easy Mode.

Yeah, if I'm a UC coach this week I'm having the defense try to simulate what Miami and USF ran against UC because it's a safe bet Temple will try to do a lot of the same things.

And then I'm trying to run some plays that will work against it.

Seems like this has been Gran's biggest shortcoming thus far. He appears to be gameplanning (if you can call it that) for the tendencies the opposition has shown in other games as opposed to planning for a way to correct against the defensive scheme that has repeatedly frustrated and shut down the 'Cats. Seems very interesting to me that other teams have found a way to adapt their defenses to the style that has stymied the 'Cats but Gran and Co. can't find a way to adapt the UC offense to plays and style that beats what is a very plain defensive strategy. Hope he can see that... and soon.

(10-07-2013 06:51 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 06:48 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  Kay might be one of the easier QBs to read . He doesnt take the time to look at both sides of the field for the most part and has his eyes locked on the receiver he plans on throwing to. He also has a very slow release. The whole thing he does with his arm..no that has to stop. He gives the defender so much time to move on the ball before hes even released it.

Im sorry Butch for not understanding why munchie was the QB last year. Sadly, hes definitely the better QB

You are going to give THAT as the reason Munchie is a better QB? His delivery is much slower than Kay's (makes Kay's look quick by comparison) and he always locked on to the primary receiver. That's why so many of his passes got tipped at the line of scrimmage.

well my point was this isnt really a situation where 1 is drastically better than the other. Neither is very good, but Munchie did atleast give you the ability to run every once in a while. Neither really does a good job of spotting the secondary and both have their eyes locked on the receiver.

But change of topic. Everyone bashing TT really? How did butch do his first year? We of all people should know patience is required in a coaching change. Maybe Kiel is the answer..Maybe not. But im not giving up on TT and I wont fully judge his coaching abilities until he has a roster of all TT players.

Kay is definitely off. He's not the same QB we saw last year. Maybe he's not comfortable with the offense or his reads but something is amiss there.

(10-07-2013 09:09 AM)coachpipe Wrote:  But im not giving up on TT and I wont fully judge his coaching abilities until he has a roster of all TT players.

In this day and age, if you wait 3-4 years to fully judge a coach you've waited too long. A lot of damage can be done in that time period if he's not the right guy. And to be clear, I'm not advocating TT be fired at this juncture either.