(10-02-2013 09:40 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  This is another reason why anyone would take the USC job. What recruit would turn this down?

Bobby Petrino's resume is on the way.

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(10-02-2013 09:23 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:14 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Let's try a different approach. Given every current BCS head coach, what coaches would not, under any financial inducement, take the USC job? I think the list is very short and would include:

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
David Shaw
Brian Kelly
Frank Beamer
Bill O'Brien

I had Les Miles on my original list but after some thought, I think he'd take it.

Your thoughts?

If Les Miles wouldn't take the Mich job where he had ties, he's not gong to USC IMO.
Why not Urban Meyer?

He is a native Ohioan. Ohio State is his dream job!

(10-02-2013 11:29 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:23 AM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:14 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Let's try a different approach. Given every current BCS head coach, what coaches would not, under any financial inducement, take the USC job? I think the list is very short and would include:

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
David Shaw
Brian Kelly
Frank Beamer
Bill O'Brien

I had Les Miles on my original list but after some thought, I think he'd take it.

Your thoughts?

If Les Miles wouldn't take the Mich job where he had ties, he's not gong to USC IMO.
Why not Urban Meyer?

He is a native Ohioan. Ohio State is his dream job!

Corch Irving Meyers.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgbBP9Em00A


......often said that Notre Dame was his dream job. He didn't mind turning that job down.

That being said, I agree that he is unlikely to leave the Ohio State job for Southern Cal.

(10-02-2013 10:57 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 10:51 AM)OldGoldnBlue Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:45 AM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  I think you are overestimating the USC job at this point in time. Note that the rest of the PAC has decided to start playing actual football since Pete Carroll left. My list:

Better or Equal Jobs

Nick Saban
Urban Meyer
David Shaw
Brian Kelly
Les Miles
Kevin Sumlin
Will Muschamp
Mark Richt
Mark Helfrich
Whoever ends up at Texas
Jimbo Fisher
Dabo Swinney
Brady Hoke
Bob Stoops


Aren't leaving because of school ties, contract, or early years in a good or reputable program

Kirk Ferentz
Bill O'Brien
Kliff Kingsbury
Brett Bielema
Gus Malzahn
Hugh Freeze
Steve Spurrier
Butch Jones
Jim Mora
Mike Riley
Mike McIntyre
Sonny Dykes
Todd Graham
Rich Rodriguez
Gary Anderson
Darell Hazell
Gary Patterson
Bill Snyder
Art Briles (he will get a strong look at Texas or TAMU if their coaching positions ever change. He is a Texas lifer.)
Frank Beamer
Steve Addazio


Now I know that USC would not consider many of these coaches, but the point is that it really may be easier to spot the coaches who would have interest in USC and have the feeling reciprocated.

James Franklin and Al Golden are two coaches that could slide into the private culture of USC with no problem. Both coaches have to deal with begging fans to fill their stadiums, Golden has the insanely mismanaged NCAA sanctions going on, and James Franklin may want to get as far away from this player sex scandal as possible. Franklin really seems to like Nashville, but I hear his interviews a lot here in town, and he is clearly frustrated that Vandy plays second fiddle to the Vols in Nashville and that Vandy is not the only show in town. Vandy fans are as likely to catch a classical music concert or attend a fundraising ball on Saturday night as they are to watch Vandy against any team except UT. Of course, there are as many or more distractions in L.A., but the tradition and fan support is much better for USC.

Those two guys would kill their own children for that job. Half of your second list would take the USC job without thinking twice about it.

As I said, the guys on the second list are in the first or second year of a contract with either a good or a reputable program. If they were free agents or high level coordinators, sure, they would love that job. Pat Haden should not make the same mistake twice and take a coach at a reputable program after one year. It would be very bad PR for the school, and that coach would be labeled as a mercenary just like Kiffin. Any of the new coaches at programs on the list above should avoid the job if they want a respectable reputation moving forward. Todd Graham is already tarnished, and Rich Rod is just getting respectability back. I would be incredibly surprised if they get an interview with USC, and if either is hired, it will be a nationwide joke.

Forde Yard Dash

From the Forde-Yard Dash

YOU HAVE A CALL ON LINE ONE, MR. HADEN

It's been roughly 48 hours since Pat Haden whacked Lane Kiffin. That's plenty of time for the most enthusiastic of job applicants, Arizona State coach Todd Graham (32), to get busy. After a deeply committed 17 games at ASU, The Dash can only imagine his eagerness to upgrade to USC …

Email From: Todd Graham
To: Pat Haden
Date: 9/29/2013
Time: 1 a.m., PDT

Hey Pat,
Just wanted to say it was an honor to have a class program like USC and a class guy like yourself in our stadium – which is nowhere near as nice as your stadium, I must say. I'm sorry we didn't get a chance to catch up in person last night, but don't be a stranger, OK? Let's stay in touch. My cell number is below. Talk soon. I mean, real soon. Like, anytime. Call me, Pat.

Join the Todd Squad,
Todd Graham

Email From: Todd Graham
To: Pat Haden
Date: 9/29/2013
Time: 9:05 a.m., PDT

Hey Pat,

Wow, I feel silly. I just read that you fired Lane Kiffin. Sorry to see it come to that – but hey, you did what you had to do, right? I just want to reiterate what a CLASS guy you are and what a CLASS institution USC is, and to let you in on a little secret – my REAL dream job is USC!

I know I said Arizona State was my dream job last year after I came over from Pittsburgh, which was after I left Tulsa, which was after I left Rice. But that was taken out of context and blown out of proportion and misquoted, among other things. Really, I grew up in Mesquite, Texas, dreaming of Student Body Right, Student Body Left and Pat Haden touchdown passes. I even nicknamed our family horse Traveler. Honest!

Again, my cell number is below. Don't let it go to waste, haha. Call me, Pat.

Hotty Toddy,
Todd Graham

Text message from: Todd Graham

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ASU coach Todd Graham. (Credit: USA Today)

To: Pat Haden
Date: 9/29/2013
Time: 3:15 p.m. PDT

Watched ur press conference online, amazing job. Ur a class guy, just the type of leader I would love to work for someday. Call me!

Voicemail from: Todd Graham
To: Pat Haden
Date: 9/29/2013
Time: 10 pm PDT

"Hey Pat, it's Todd. Realize it's been a long, difficult day for you, pardner, so you might not have been checking your emails. Or text messages. But hopefully you get this voicemail before going to bed, because I just wanted to reiterate that USC is the dream job for me! I'll be up for a while watching a rerun of that 1974 comeback against Notre Dame, so give me a call. Fight on!"

Email from: Todd Graham
To: Pat Haden
Date: 9/30/2013
Time: 9 a.m. PDT

Hey Pat,

I hope you got the fruit basket the Graham family sent to your office this morning. If you look between the pear and the grapefruit, you will find a small laminated card with my career win-loss record, which is not too shabby. Just think what I could do with USC talent! Call me!

Good to Great with Graham,
Todd Graham

Text message from: Todd Graham
To: Pat Haden
Date: 9/30/2013
Time: 3 p.m. PDT

Please look out ur office window. I am told there is a plane circling the McKay Center with a banner that expresses the true wishes of the Trojan Family. In case u can't see it, it says "Todd Graham: The Best Man for the Job." I had nothing to do with this, just heard about it through the grapevine. Call me!

Voicemail from: Todd Graham
To: Pat Haden
Date: 9/30/2013
Time: 10 p.m. PDT

"Hey Pat, just wanted to let you know that I think your pass to Shelton Diggs to win the 1975 Rose Bowl was great. I know he had to dive to catch it and all, but you put it where only he could get it. Let's talk ball sometime soon. Gimme a holler!"

Email from: Todd Graham
To: Pat Haden
Date: 10/1/2013
Time: 12:01 a.m. PDT

Hey Pat,

You've been busy, I've been busy – I understand why I haven't heard from you. No big deal at all. When you're ready. Which is hopefully soon, haha.

But listen: I know you have Arizona on Oct. 10, and I beat those Wildcats last year. I can be in L.A. by dawn Oct. 6, after we play Notre Dame, to give you my gameplan. And heck, if you want to just hire me on the spot, well, let's make it happen! I can get to know the players that day, do the introductory press conference that night and be on the practice field with the team Monday afternoon.

I know changing teams in mid-season might ruffle a few feathers, but I can handle it if you can. This is my dream job, really. I know all the words to "Conquest." Hire me, Pat. Now.

In Todd We Trust,
Todd Graham

(10-02-2013 09:14 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Given every current BCS head coach, what coaches would not, under any financial inducement, take the USC job? I think the list is very short and would include:

This line right here makes the answer 0. Because while I do not envision it ever happening, USC could just offer $15 million a year, which would make it hard to put anyone on the list as saying they would "never" take it.

(10-02-2013 09:40 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  This is another reason why anyone would take the USC job. What recruit would turn this down?

Umm, I would turn that down. I think the USC song girls are some of the ugliest cheerleaders in CFB. Ugly uniforms, waaay too much makeup, and they aren't in half as good shape (athletically) as the SEC or Big 10 cheerleaders are.

I'll take an athletic girl over an airbrushed Hollywood skank any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. (probably why I married a former college athlete. D-3, but still )

(10-02-2013 12:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:14 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Given every current BCS head coach, what coaches would not, under any financial inducement, take the USC job? I think the list is very short and would include:

This line right here makes the answer 0. Because while I do not envision it ever happening, USC could just offer $15 million a year, which would make it hard to put anyone on the list as saying they would "never" take it.

What can you do with $15 million that you can't do with $4 million?

Not everyone in this industry is motivated by cash. Frank Beamer, Chris Petersen, and plenty of others have turned down offers that would have doubled their salary. Most of the time I think they leave for the bigger challenge and bigger prestige, rather than the bigger paycheck.

(10-02-2013 07:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 12:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:14 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Given every current BCS head coach, what coaches would not, under any financial inducement, take the USC job? I think the list is very short and would include:

This line right here makes the answer 0. Because while I do not envision it ever happening, USC could just offer $15 million a year, which would make it hard to put anyone on the list as saying they would "never" take it.

What can you do with $15 million that you can't do with $4 million?

Not everyone in this industry is motivated by cash. Frank Beamer, Chris Petersen, and plenty of others have turned down offers that would have doubled their salary. Most of the time I think they leave for the bigger challenge and bigger prestige, rather than the bigger paycheck.

They are clearly the exception. Most of these guys are mercenaries. Beamer accepted the North Carolina job in 2001 only to change his mind.

(10-02-2013 12:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:14 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Given every current BCS head coach, what coaches would not, under any financial inducement, take the USC job? I think the list is very short and would include:

This line right here makes the answer 0. Because while I do not envision it ever happening, USC could just offer $15 million a year, which would make it hard to put anyone on the list as saying they would "never" take it.

I know of one coach who wouldn't.


Clemson gave Dabo Swinney a coaching job when nobody else in college football would return his calls. Dabo was selling real estate when Tommy Bowden brought him in to be WR coach. The absolute only program I see Dabo leaving Clemson for is to return home to Alabama, and only because it's where he played and started coaching. If money drove Dabo he wouldn't keep redirecting his raises into assistant coaching salaries.

(10-02-2013 08:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 12:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:14 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Given every current BCS head coach, what coaches would not, under any financial inducement, take the USC job? I think the list is very short and would include:

This line right here makes the answer 0. Because while I do not envision it ever happening, USC could just offer $15 million a year, which would make it hard to put anyone on the list as saying they would "never" take it.

I know of one coach who wouldn't.


Clemson gave Dabo Swinney a coaching job when nobody else in college football would return his calls. Dabo was selling real estate when Tommy Bowden brought him in to be WR coach. The absolute only program I see Dabo leaving Clemson for is to return home to Alabama, and only because it's where he played and started coaching. If money drove Dabo he wouldn't keep redirecting his raises into assistant coaching salaries.

I hope Dabo stays at Clemson a long, long time.....he is good for the Tigers and the ACC.

Spurrier

(10-02-2013 08:59 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 08:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 12:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:14 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  Given every current BCS head coach, what coaches would not, under any financial inducement, take the USC job? I think the list is very short and would include:

This line right here makes the answer 0. Because while I do not envision it ever happening, USC could just offer $15 million a year, which would make it hard to put anyone on the list as saying they would "never" take it.

I know of one coach who wouldn't.


Clemson gave Dabo Swinney a coaching job when nobody else in college football would return his calls. Dabo was selling real estate when Tommy Bowden brought him in to be WR coach. The absolute only program I see Dabo leaving Clemson for is to return home to Alabama, and only because it's where he played and started coaching. If money drove Dabo he wouldn't keep redirecting his raises into assistant coaching salaries.

I hope Dabo stays at Clemson a long, long time.....he is good for the Tigers and the ACC.

I hope the same thing

(10-02-2013 11:25 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Spurrier

True, but like many others on the aforementioned lists, he'd have to be asked first.

In many ways, this is no different than expecting a power conference bouncyball coach to move on over to another power conference school.

There are not a lot of those jobs out there, so leaving one could end up as career suicide. It rarely happens.

Lots of things at play here. USC wants (allegedly) to keep the pro set philosophy. You can axe most of those coaches right there. Voila. I don't see an SEC coach moving over. Cushy jobs, lateral movement, leaving prime recruiting grounds in the SE USA.

An Al Golden sounds interesting, but maybe it's splitting hairs to think he likes keeping an extra 10% of his income being in Florida than he would if he was a California resident.

Anyway, USCs athletic programs aren't really flourishing under Haden. Before too long, his pick for coach could be out on the streets, too.

(10-02-2013 07:34 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 09:40 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  This is another reason why anyone would take the USC job. What recruit would turn this down?

Umm, I would turn that down. I think the USC song girls are some of the ugliest cheerleaders in CFB. Ugly uniforms, waaay too much makeup, and they aren't in half as good shape (athletically) as the SEC or Big 10 cheerleaders are.

I'll take an athletic girl over an airbrushed Hollywood skank any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. (probably why I married a former college athlete. D-3, but still )

Agree to disagree.

(10-02-2013 07:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(10-02-2013 12:12 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  This line right here makes the answer 0. Because while I do not envision it ever happening, USC could just offer $15 million a year, which would make it hard to put anyone on the list as saying they would "never" take it.

What can you do with $15 million that you can't do with $4 million?

One makes you rich. the other makes your children rich.

(10-02-2013 08:32 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I know of one coach who wouldn't.


Clemson gave Dabo Swinney a coaching job when nobody else in college football would return his calls. Dabo was selling real estate when Tommy Bowden brought him in to be WR coach. The absolute only program I see Dabo leaving Clemson for is to return home to Alabama, and only because it's where he played and started coaching. If money drove Dabo he wouldn't keep redirecting his raises into assistant coaching salaries.

I didn't say that it means if they just offered $15 million or more that they could get anyone. What I am saying is if you start triple and quadrupling salaries of people, it takes people off the "never" list. There is a difference between money being the only driving force behind a move, and having to consider a substantial securement of your situation that sets up your family for generations of wealth.

It does not mean that the person would definitely take it. But the moment you consider the offer, is the moment that the word "never" cannot be used.

You can add Charlie Strong to that list.

(10-02-2013 11:25 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  Spurrier

Yeah, because as he found out in Washington you can't get away with trying to control the media in a big city like you can in two-bit towns like Gainesville and Columbia.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/62295900/

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/62340648/


And I doubt the LA media would give him a pass for showing up soused to do his coach's show like the Columbia media has.

Spurrier in DC was great TV