if you add up all constituents of the 80 something elected officials who are responsible for the govt being shut down. they make up just 18% of the total population.

is that pathetic or what?

Pa pa pa thetic......

Like bad to the bone but insert the Pa pa pa

At least someone is representing the interest of the people who elected them.

Let's face it, Washington is broken. The nation is just too divided. The sensible solution is a voluntary dissolution. The union is not a suicide pact.

I guess I should make a sign that says I am the 18%, go set up a tent city at city hall, not bathe for days, do drugs and whatever else, urinate in the street and rage against the 82%.

(10-01-2013 06:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if you add up all constituents of the 80 something elected officials who are responsible for the govt being shut down. they make up just 18% of the total population.

is that pathetic or what?

Since this is about Obamacare then why don't you count the percentage of people who don't want it?

(10-01-2013 07:11 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-01-2013 06:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if you add up all constituents of the 80 something elected officials who are responsible for the govt being shut down. they make up just 18% of the total population.

is that pathetic or what?

Since this is about Obamacare then why don't you count the percentage of people who don't want it?

That doesn't fit the liberal talking points.

It's sad that 18% can nullify a presidency. It's different for D's. You can count on R's never working with the opposite party. They torpedoed Clinton every chance they got. It's not the same in reverse. D's work with R's. When Bush expanded MediCare Part B? Did D's set out to destroy it? R's pervert the system. They have tried every way and form to nullify Obama's presidency. I wish they would just leave for Somalia or another Libertarian paradise.

(10-01-2013 07:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It's sad that 18% can nullify a presidency. It's different for D's. You can count on R's never working with the opposite party. They torpedoed Clinton every chance they got. It's not the same in reverse. D's work with R's. When Bush expanded MediCare Part B? Did D's set out to destroy it? R's pervert the system. They have tried every way and form to nullify Obama's presidency. I wish they would just leave for Somalia or another Libertarian paradise.

amen

(10-01-2013 07:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It's sad that 18% can nullify a presidency. It's different for D's. You can count on R's never working with the opposite party. They torpedoed Clinton every chance they got. It's not the same in reverse. D's work with R's. When Bush expanded MediCare Part B? Did D's set out to destroy it? R's pervert the system. They have tried every way and form to nullify Obama's presidency. I wish they would just leave for Somalia or another Libertarian paradise.

Somalia is nothing even remotely close to a Libertarian paradise, and you know that full well, so are you just lying to prove you can lie?

Medicare Part B wasn't democrats working with republicans, it was Bush caving in to democrats to get them to let his wars go on.

Nullifying Obama's presidency is an idea I would support, but I don't think that's what republicans are doing. They get accuses of not wanting to work with Obama, of not wanting to give and take. What has Obama offered to give on any issue?

You two need to get a room.

(10-01-2013 06:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if you add up all constituents of the 80 something elected officials who are responsible for the govt being shut down. they make up just 18% of the total population.

is that pathetic or what?

It is called building coalitions. The Europeans don't seem to have problems building them with smaller factions.

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Give me a Liberatrian paradise so I can use it instead. I was thinking of a place with no govt. since the current GOP is filled with people trying to dismantle ours.

(10-01-2013 07:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It's sad that 18% can nullify a presidency. It's different for D's. You can count on R's never working with the opposite party. They torpedoed Clinton every chance they got. It's not the same in reverse. D's work with R's. When Bush expanded MediCare Part B? Did D's set out to destroy it? R's pervert the system. They have tried every way and form to nullify Obama's presidency. I wish they would just leave for Somalia or another Libertarian paradise.

Nullify a Presidency?

It's called checks and balances, and the constitution places SOLE responsibility for all spending in the US House. Awlllllll so saddddd.

Dubya's Part D expansion was the beginning of the death of neoconservatism. And it is HILARIOUS you are invoking neoconservatism when you spent a decade railing against everything it stood for.

Regarding your stupid Somalia talking point ... it is based upon a staggering wanton ignorance if not outright stupidity of both Somalia and Libertarianism. Let me pick something at random from that right wing rag known as the Associated Press:

Last year, Somalia came under the rule of the first internationally-recognized government in twenty years. Now it’s jailing women who accuse its security forces of rape.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/afri...story.html



But to hopefully bury your ignorance and/or stupidity for good:



Journalists Oppose Somalia's New Media Watchdog Law

http://www.sunherald.com/2013/07/12/4792...e-the.html




The Most Libertarian Countries for Drugs, Gay Rights, Prostitution, and Taxes Are

Quote:according to the U.K. Telegraph:
- Portugal for drugs
- Argentina for gay rights
- Canada for prostitution
- Andorra for taxes

On that last topic, check this out:

There is no income tax in Andorra on either individuals or companies. Citizens pay five to nine per cent of their salaries towards social security. Spanish expatriates who move to Andorra still have to pay Spanish taxes under law for the first five years of their emigration.

Monaco and the Isle of Jersey are nipping at tiny Andorra's heels when it comes to taxes, by the way.

And the least libertarian place in the world - which is to say, the least transparent and most corrupt - was Somalia (oh noes). Among western countries, Russia took the top slot on that score.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...tries.html




Doctors Without Borders Closing Operations in Somalia After 22 Years

Quote:It said armed groups and civilian leaders increasingly "support, tolerate or condone the killing, assaulting, and abducting of humanitarian aid workers".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23697275




Somali Defense Ministry Riddled With Corruption

http://shabelle.net/?p=1694




Somali Journalists Claim Police Brutality, Threats at Gunpoint While Covering Court Case

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/mar...ss-freedom



Crackdown on Free Press in Somalia Continues

Quote:Somalia’s only had a full-fledged government for the last seven months or so, but that nascent government’s already begun to flex its muscle in the realm of restricting rights.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/12/crackd...alia-conti



Somali Government to Recognize Islamist Warlord as Leader of Port City

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-r...3762.story

(10-01-2013 07:53 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Give me a Libertarian paradise so I can use it instead. I was thinking of a place with no govt. since the current GOP is filled with people trying to dismantle ours.

Switzerland probably comes closest. It's pretty much the polar opposite of Somalia.

Libertarian has never meant no government. It means that government has certain essential functions to perform, and it performs them and no others. Milton Friedman probably offers the best description of a Libertarian paradise in CAPITALISM AND FREEDOM, at about pp. 38-40 (pagination may vary with some editions). That's definitely not Somalia, or anywhere even remotely close.

(10-01-2013 07:03 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  I guess I should make a sign that says I am the 18%, go set up a tent city at city hall, not bathe for days, do drugs and whatever else, urinate in the street and rage against the 82%.

You also have to rape women

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

(10-01-2013 07:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It's sad that 18% can nullify a presidency. It's different for D's. You can count on R's never working with the opposite party. They torpedoed Clinton every chance they got. It's not the same in reverse. D's work with R's. When Bush expanded MediCare Part B? Did D's set out to destroy it? R's pervert the system. They have tried every way and form to nullify Obama's presidency. I wish they would just leave for Somalia or another Libertarian paradise.

At least you admit R's are responsible for the boom in the 90's.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

(10-01-2013 07:53 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Give me a Liberatrian paradise so I can use it instead. I was thinking of a place with no govt. since the current GOP is filled with people trying to dismantle ours.

Make up your mind. You said Liberatrian (I assume you mean Libertarian?) paradise (that's one form of government), then you said a place with no government (that's another form of government). Then you said the GOP is trying to dismantle ours even though they have already approved keeping over 70% of all government spending going (yes, Virginia, that's how much you get when you combine entitlements and the military). The GOP's version of government is yet another third and distinct form from the previous two.

So which of your three parallel versions of reality are you wishing to choose?

(10-01-2013 06:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if you add up all constituents of the 80 something elected officials who are responsible for the govt being shut down. they make up just 18% of the total population.

is that pathetic or what?

Surely the Democrat party represent more than that!

(10-01-2013 06:35 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if you add up all constituents of the 80 something elected officials who are responsible for the govt being shut down. they make up just 18% of the total population.

is that pathetic or what?

I thought libs supported minorities.