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(10-05-2013 09:46 AM)TerryD Wrote:  "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"
If you substitute atoms for angels, the problem is not unsolvable...
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How about the Delany/Scott nuclear scenario....

B1G takes:
Oklahoma
Kansas
Iowa St
Baylor/TCU

PAC12 takes:
Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma St
Kansas St

B1G gets into a few new markets and they get a nice bump in basketball and football with KU and OU. If this were to happen they could stay at 18 or go to 20 and try and add U Conn and Mizzou.
PAC12 Gets into the central time zone and at 16 teams still has the ability to expand later with colleges like New Mexico, Nevada/UNLV, Colorado St, or whomever else they decide is a good fit to build there land bridge to Texas.
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Or how about this crazy scenario. ACC/PAC12 power play...

ACC takes:
Texas
Oklahoma
West Virginia
Baylor

PAC12 takes:
Kansas
Kansas St
Oklahoma St
Texas Tech
Iowa St
TCU

ESPN is happy, ACC is happy, PAC12 is happy, SEC and B1G are floored04-jawdrop
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ESPN airs more SEC and Big Ten match ups than any of the other conferences. ESPN would not take part in such a plan and without their blessing, it wouldn't happen.
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(10-05-2013 11:06 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(10-05-2013 09:46 AM)TerryD Wrote:  "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin?"
If you substitute atoms for angels, the problem is not unsolvable...

...and if you substitute elephants for atoms, the answer is 0. Elephants can't dance.

03-razz

Seriously though, the answer is 7 angles.
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(10-05-2013 11:17 AM)SouthEastAlaska Wrote:  Or how about this crazy scenario. ACC/PAC12 power play...

ACC takes:
Texas
Oklahoma
West Virginia
Baylor

PAC12 takes:
Kansas
Kansas St
Oklahoma St
Texas Tech
Iowa St
TCU

ESPN is happy, ACC is happy, PAC12 is happy, SEC and B1G are floored04-jawdrop

The old ACC doesn't want WVU, the new ACC might not want WVU (although I do), and nobody wants Baylor. I think that we would take Texas and possibly OU. But other than that, we are happy to sit "as is."
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Well I might change My take on Baylor after tonight.
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(10-05-2013 10:05 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well I might change My take on Baylor after tonight.
I think everyone is, dude. I wonder what kind of jump in the polls the Bears will get from tonight's game...
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(10-05-2013 10:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  
(10-05-2013 10:05 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well I might change My take on Baylor after tonight.
I think everyone is, dude. I wonder what kind of jump in the polls the Bears will get from tonight's game...

I don't think they will crack the top 10 yet, but a move to somewhere between 11 and 14 is likely depending on how many of the voters actually watched the game.
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(10-05-2013 10:05 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well I might change My take on Baylor after tonight.

Brand new stadium that is going to be bad ass. Strong basketball program and one of the strongest offenses in the game.

Been wondering why folks have been so down on the idea of taking Baylor along with Texas.
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(10-06-2013 12:22 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-05-2013 10:05 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well I might change My take on Baylor after tonight.

Brand new stadium that is going to be bad ass. Strong basketball program and one of the strongest offenses in the game.

Been wondering why folks have been so down on the idea of taking Baylor along with Texas.

The problem with Baylor is:

1. Association with the Baptist Church, and
2. Ken Starr of Monika Lewinsky, Bill Clinton witch hunt fame.

Some University presidents don't like that at all. For example, Wake Forest has been independent of the NC Baptist Convention for just 2 decades. Religion is an issue at Baylor, BYU, and ND.
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(10-06-2013 08:56 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 12:22 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-05-2013 10:05 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well I might change My take on Baylor after tonight.

Brand new stadium that is going to be bad ass. Strong basketball program and one of the strongest offenses in the game.

Been wondering why folks have been so down on the idea of taking Baylor along with Texas.

The problem with Baylor is:

1. Association with the Baptist Church, and
2. Ken Starr of Monika Lewinsky, Bill Clinton witch hunt fame.

Some University presidents don't like that at all. For example, Wake Forest has been independent of the NC Baptist Convention for just 2 decades. Religion is an issue at Baylor, BYU, and ND.

Think about what you are saying here. There is not a conference in the U.S. that would turn down Notre Dame. The real issue with Baylor is not their religious association as much as it is the political vendetta against Starr. And B.Y.U. is the only one of the three that restricts academic freedom. Baylor just doesn't like dances, but from what I've seen this generation can't dance anyway.

The U.S. is screwed up if it has intolerant academicians, but allows a sheltered religion to operate inside our borders which takes our citizens and recruits them to a life of fundamentalism including terrorist acts abroad. We either treat all religions the same, that is accept them and hold them accountable to tolerance and peaceful coexistence with those who don't agree with them, or we continue to practice which religions we as a society will target and disdain. The former is constitutional and represents freedom at its finest. The latter is the act of an intolerant state and not that of a constitutional republic.

If a religion at its core of beliefs encourages its participants to not be tolerant of fellow citizens who believe differently, or encourages its adherents to acts of violence either against our citizens or against those of another sovereign nation then that is the religion that should be prohibited by our government. And as far as the hypocrisy of academicians goes, they seem to clamor for the tuition that comes from abroad to train those who are intolerant in areas of expertise which facilitate their potential worth as terrorists by teaching them chemistry, biology, engineering, pharmacy, and even criminology. I doubt seriously that Baptists become more dangerous to society by learning those disciplines. When a Baptist or Mormon refuses to accept the principles of Darwin it doesn't make them potentially lethal, just ignorant.

And regardless of the politics of the man, had any other executive of any corporation had sex with a much younger temp on corporate grounds it would be fair to say that he was in abuse of his power, and if the feminists had an ounce of integrity they would have been all over Clinton about that singular issue which is so near and dear to their hearts. Republicans and Democrats put on moral, and justice issues, blinders when events involving their party cross the lines. So all their yammering, even over Starr, is just so many crocodile tears.

Remember Baptists are an easy minority to pick on in part because they have no internal unity, Mormons ride bicycles and therefore must not burn enough gasoline to suit BP and Exxon, and the Vatican has its own banking system and won't agree with the feminists on abortion. Muslims have oil and money and participate heavily in investments here and in the IMF. And, Wall Street bankers don't like anyone who has their own bank and doesn't invest with them. So when a consortium of university presidents are against these three schools it is likely due to their allegiances to those corporations that support their respective institutions and to the government from whence grants come. That is why these three schools are ridiculed by the establishment. It has little to do with religion. And yes, I'm trying out a little humor here, but just a little.
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(10-06-2013 08:56 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 12:22 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-05-2013 10:05 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well I might change My take on Baylor after tonight.

Brand new stadium that is going to be bad ass. Strong basketball program and one of the strongest offenses in the game.

Been wondering why folks have been so down on the idea of taking Baylor along with Texas.

The problem with Baylor is:

1. Association with the Baptist Church, and
2. Ken Starr of Monika Lewinsky, Bill Clinton witch hunt fame.

Some University presidents don't like that at all. For example, Wake Forest has been independent of the NC Baptist Convention for just 2 decades. Religion is an issue at Baylor, BYU, and ND.

Boston College is ran by the Jesuits. Someone else pointed out that Duke is Methodist.

In the end though this isn't about Baylor. It is about what you guys would be negotiating for with Texas. The likes of a Baylor or a TCU are negotiating points.
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(10-04-2013 08:06 AM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Jurich pretty much is Louisville Athletics. He build the Empire it is today. He controls every next move in expansion of stadiums and facilities. He will have a statue here someday. He is an Artist with a blank canvas here. In Texas He would just be an overseer of a troubled Ship. I say Tom remains in Louisville until He retires.

Louisville is also a hot city, some are saying the next Portland.

Louisville as a cultural city is comparable to Austin. Its not like going from Huntington, WV to Austin TX.
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(10-06-2013 12:22 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-05-2013 10:05 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well I might change My take on Baylor after tonight.

Brand new stadium that is going to be bad ass. Strong basketball program and one of the strongest offenses in the game.

Been wondering why folks have been so down on the idea of taking Baylor along with Texas.

The ACC has since it's founding has been tolerant of "religious" institutions (as well as private schools). I don't foresee any complications in inviting either Baylor or TCU to the ACC as a partner for Texas.
If a "southern" conference can accept a Catholic school as a member , then we certainly can take another Baptist school or one affiliated with the Disciples of Christ.
If anyone is saying anything differently, then they really don't know the ACC.
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(10-06-2013 01:02 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 12:22 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-05-2013 10:05 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well I might change My take on Baylor after tonight.

Brand new stadium that is going to be bad ass. Strong basketball program and one of the strongest offenses in the game.

Been wondering why folks have been so down on the idea of taking Baylor along with Texas.

The ACC has since it's founding has been tolerant of "religious" institutions (as well as private schools). I don't foresee any complications in inviting either Baylor or TCU to the ACC as a partner for Texas.
If a "southern" conference can accept a Catholic school as a member , then we certainly can take another Baptist school or one affiliated with the Disciples of Christ.
If anyone is saying anything differently, then they really don't know the ACC.

Yeah, if there is a model for diversity in terms of conference make up, it is definitely the ACC. That is something to be proud of, in my opinion.
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Its really only the PAC that has a problem with potential member schools having an active religious affiliation/mission.
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(10-06-2013 01:32 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Its really only the PAC that has a problem with potential member schools having an active religious affiliation/mission.

I think for them it is just BYU's affiliation. USC has a religious background, hence how the USC/ND historical rivalry came about.

The PAC's big issue seems to be about the freedom at a school to follow the religious path or secular. At BYU, you don't really have that freedom. Baylor is neck deep in the Baptist culture but I have yet to see anyone say that the curriculum is very constricting in that regard.
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(10-06-2013 01:52 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 01:32 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Its really only the PAC that has a problem with potential member schools having an active religious affiliation/mission.

I think for them it is just BYU's affiliation. USC has a religious background, hence how the USC/ND historical rivalry came about.

The PAC's big issue seems to be about the freedom at a school to follow the religious path or secular. At BYU, you don't really have that freedom. Baylor is neck deep in the Baptist culture but I have yet to see anyone say that the curriculum is very constricting in that regard.

The issue raised by some of the Pac-12 CEOs is "academic freedom", i.e., are the faculty free to say, write, or research what they want without being censored or blocked by the university.

BYU is a no-go for that reason. Notre Dame would be ok under that standard -- not that ND would or should ever join the Pac-12.
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(10-06-2013 10:06 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 08:56 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  
(10-06-2013 12:22 AM)He1nousOne Wrote:  
(10-05-2013 10:05 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Well I might change My take on Baylor after tonight.

Brand new stadium that is going to be bad ass. Strong basketball program and one of the strongest offenses in the game.

Been wondering why folks have been so down on the idea of taking Baylor along with Texas.

The problem with Baylor is:

1. Association with the Baptist Church, and
2. Ken Starr of Monika Lewinsky, Bill Clinton witch hunt fame.

Some University presidents don't like that at all. For example, Wake Forest has been independent of the NC Baptist Convention for just 2 decades. Religion is an issue at Baylor, BYU, and ND.

Think about what you are saying here. There is not a conference in the U.S. that would turn down Notre Dame. The real issue with Baylor is not their religious association as much as it is the political vendetta against Starr. And B.Y.U. is the only one of the three that restricts academic freedom. Baylor just doesn't like dances, but from what I've seen this generation can't dance anyway.

The U.S. is screwed up if it has intolerant academicians, but allows a sheltered religion to operate inside our borders which takes our citizens and recruits them to a life of fundamentalism including terrorist acts abroad. We either treat all religions the same, that is accept them and hold them accountable to tolerance and peaceful coexistence with those who don't agree with them, or we continue to practice which religions we as a society will target and disdain. The former is constitutional and represents freedom at its finest. The latter is the act of an intolerant state and not that of a constitutional republic.

If a religion at its core of beliefs encourages its participants to not be tolerant of fellow citizens who believe differently, or encourages its adherents to acts of violence either against our citizens or against those of another sovereign nation then that is the religion that should be prohibited by our government. And as far as the hypocrisy of academicians goes, they seem to clamor for the tuition that comes from abroad to train those who are intolerant in areas of expertise which facilitate their potential worth as terrorists by teaching them chemistry, biology, engineering, pharmacy, and even criminology. I doubt seriously that Baptists become more dangerous to society by learning those disciplines. When a Baptist or Mormon refuses to accept the principles of Darwin it doesn't make them potentially lethal, just ignorant.

And regardless of the politics of the man, had any other executive of any corporation had sex with a much younger temp on corporate grounds it would be fair to say that he was in abuse of his power, and if the feminists had an ounce of integrity they would have been all over Clinton about that singular issue which is so near and dear to their hearts. Republicans and Democrats put on moral, and justice issues, blinders when events involving their party cross the lines. So all their yammering, even over Starr, is just so many crocodile tears.

Remember Baptists are an easy minority to pick on in part because they have no internal unity, Mormons ride bicycles and therefore must not burn enough gasoline to suit BP and Exxon, and the Vatican has its own banking system and won't agree with the feminists on abortion. Muslims have oil and money and participate heavily in investments here and in the IMF. And, Wall Street bankers don't like anyone who has their own bank and doesn't invest with them. So when a consortium of university presidents are against these three schools it is likely due to their allegiances to the those corporations that support their respective institutions and to the government from whence grants come. That is why these three schools are ridiculed by the establishment. It has little to do with religion. And yes, I'm trying out a little humor here, but just a little.

What "sheltered religion" are you referring to?
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