(09-30-2013 02:03 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 01:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Indiana and Bowling Green are swapping $250,000 guarantees for a home/home.

No, that's a 2-for-1 deal with two games at Indiana.

I remember a couple of years back when IU actually played @ a 1AA school as opposed to paying them a guarantee.

(09-30-2013 04:48 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 02:55 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Or they have a greater need for the cash. I'd guess that your need for the quick paycheck at Arkansas State is a lot less than it is for many other G5 athletic departments.

Probably some truth to that. The leadership at A-State is pretty public that they won't go anywhere for less than a million if it isn't home and home.

A couple of years back the Sunbelt as a conference made a mandate that all OOC games had to have a $1 million guarantee or a home and home (there were considerations for 2 for 1's). That was why you saw things like Kentucky playing @ Western Kentucky, Louisville playing @ Ark St and Middle Tenn St, Texas A&M playing @ La Tech, etc.

(09-30-2013 11:22 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  the simple math for the P5 is- less non conference games = less wins, = less home games, and = less ticket revenue.

You leave out an important component. Less gate revenue, but more TV revenue. Gives the conferences 7 extra games to monetize each year. For the Big Ten, who in their new TV contract will likely make an average of $4-$6 million per televised conference game, which are worth 3-4 times what OOC games vs. FCS or G5 schools are worth, at the cost of only 0.5 of a home game, that is a VERY big deal.

(10-01-2013 11:41 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-30-2013 11:22 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  the simple math for the P5 is- less non conference games = less wins, = less home games, and = less ticket revenue.

You leave out an important component. Less gate revenue, but more TV revenue. Gives the conferences 7 extra games to monetize each year. For the Big Ten, who in their new TV contract will likely make an average of $4-$6 million per televised conference game, which are worth 3-4 times what OOC games vs. FCS or G5 schools are worth, at the cost of only 0.5 of a home game, that is a VERY big deal.

I think the opposite will happen. Most P5 OOC games are already on TV. And does ESPN actually pay more for conference games or are you speculating?

For instance, the noon start time of Week 1 this year had Buffalo @ Ohio State on ESPN2 and Purdue @ Cincinnati on ESPNU. If you replace those OOC games with a conference game you now have Purdue @ Ohio State on ESPN2 and Buffalo @ Cincinnati on ESPNU. You just went from 2 B1G ESPN broadcasts in that time slot to 1. That's less money.

(10-01-2013 01:44 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  I think the opposite will happen. Most P5 OOC games are already on TV. And does ESPN actually pay more for conference games or are you speculating?

It's not about being on TV. It's when you are selling your contract the value it has. OOC games in the past haven't held much value because they were not possible to predict. Conference games and marquee OOC games you have played for years will factor in. A random home and home series scheduled won't. So yes Conference games are "worth" more because they are easily predicted. If you are talking about OOC games such as ND vs. Stan/UCS, FSU/UF, or now ND vs. 2.5 ACC teams, that are consistent or in the ND case contracted in, they make a difference. If Ohio State schedules a home and home series five years from now against Texas, it won't matter when they go to market.

And yes you do lose 0.5 home games often times when you do that. I mentioned that above. But those 63 conference games and roughly 28 OOC games are worth far more than 56 conference games and 42 OOC games.

(10-01-2013 11:41 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  A couple of years back the Sunbelt as a conference made a mandate that all OOC games had to have a $1 million guarantee or a home and home (there were considerations for 2 for 1's). That was why you saw things like Kentucky playing @ Western Kentucky, Louisville playing @ Ark St and Middle Tenn St, Texas A&M playing @ La Tech, etc.

That's not entirely true. First, La Tech is not a Sun Belt member. I think many of their fans would probably be insulted to be confused as one.

Second, While many SBC teams require million dollar paydays, it is not required to my knowledge. I can name multiple money games scheduled for next year and beyond that do not require a million dollar pay day. The league frowns upon scheduling a bunch of money games, but we don't have any real control over how a school sets their schedule.

I would like to see the P5 go to playing all 12 regular season games contracted on a home and home basis. So each team gets 6 home and 6 away games.

BUT.... as a trade-off for the lost home game, each P5 school will be allowed to play one exhibition game, against any team they like, P5, G5, FCS, etc.

The #1 dif is they will need less bowls.

IF they are only playing conference games and fellow p5 school's, they need to come up with system that allows a few loses since the cupcakes are gone. Maybe like the 4 team pods in the NFL, so if you win your pod you still might make the playoffs.

Sun Belt is likely going to a 9 game schedule but there is a significant disagreement within the league on the issue. I know Arkansas State is fighting to stay at 8 league games because they are having some luck getting a schedule that fits their preferred model. One big payday balanced by an FCS and two FBS home and home.

(10-04-2013 08:47 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Sun Belt is likely going to a 9 game schedule but there is a significant disagreement within the league on the issue. I know Arkansas State is fighting to stay at 8 league games because they are having some luck getting a schedule that fits their preferred model. One big payday balanced by an FCS and two FBS home and home.

Isn't 2 FBS series home and home the same as playing 9 conference games and 1 FBS series home and home?

(10-04-2013 12:17 PM)goofus Wrote:  

(10-04-2013 08:47 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Sun Belt is likely going to a 9 game schedule but there is a significant disagreement within the league on the issue. I know Arkansas State is fighting to stay at 8 league games because they are having some luck getting a schedule that fits their preferred model. One big payday balanced by an FCS and two FBS home and home.

Isn't 2 FBS series home and home the same as playing 9 conference games and 1 FBS series home and home?

Not when you calculate power ratings to determine the ranking of the G5 1-5 for the second component of the CFP distribution.