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RE: Reedy
(10-03-2013 07:39 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: (09-30-2013 12:55 PM)PTLROCK Wrote: (09-30-2013 12:05 PM)Terry Wrote: Fact is:
Run routes and throw passes that will cover the yardage needed on 3rd to get 1st downs!!!!!!! and this thread never gets started.
For ex: it was 3rd and 4 and TO threw to Flu set 2 yards over the LOS and was tackled immediately for a 2 yard gain, bringing up 4th down. That should have been a 5 yard pass and a 1st down.
Got to know the down and distance!!!!!!!!!!!! The little things!!!!!!!!!
When BSU answered the final Toledo score, Wenning was completing 10+ yards every time he passed the ball. The average yards per catch were 12.4 for BSU. When the DBs are jumping the screen route constantly, do something different. Good grief. This loss is on the coaches for the play calling, but BSU defense was playing pretty tight. Throw the ball at least to the 1st down marker!
Part of the reason why I said we were outcoached. If I were facing a QB like Owens, I would pressure him and play the CB's tight on the line. I don't think Owens can complete passes in a tight window consistently. We seem to have no answers for adjustments made against us.
Pressure or not Moto TO has been so bad he has at times missed while not under pressure.
The MAC is a league predicated on good QB's winning league titles for their team.
This team of ours is looking for a good QB.
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RE: Reedy
(10-03-2013 09:23 PM)rocketpete Wrote: (10-03-2013 07:39 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: (09-30-2013 12:55 PM)PTLROCK Wrote: (09-30-2013 12:05 PM)Terry Wrote: Fact is:
Run routes and throw passes that will cover the yardage needed on 3rd to get 1st downs!!!!!!! and this thread never gets started.
For ex: it was 3rd and 4 and TO threw to Flu set 2 yards over the LOS and was tackled immediately for a 2 yard gain, bringing up 4th down. That should have been a 5 yard pass and a 1st down.
Got to know the down and distance!!!!!!!!!!!! The little things!!!!!!!!!
When BSU answered the final Toledo score, Wenning was completing 10+ yards every time he passed the ball. The average yards per catch were 12.4 for BSU. When the DBs are jumping the screen route constantly, do something different. Good grief. This loss is on the coaches for the play calling, but BSU defense was playing pretty tight. Throw the ball at least to the 1st down marker!
Part of the reason why I said we were outcoached. If I were facing a QB like Owens, I would pressure him and play the CB's tight on the line. I don't think Owens can complete passes in a tight window consistently. We seem to have no answers for adjustments made against us.
Pressure or not Moto TO has been so bad he has at times missed while not under pressure.
The MAC is a league predicated on good QB's winning league titles for their team.
This team of ours is looking for a good QB.
I believe UT has given up the fewest sacks in the league so being under pressure can't be blamed for weak QB play. I keep reminding myself we've lost to three good teams on the road. Some home coocking will do us good.
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RE: Reedy
(10-04-2013 06:38 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote: (10-03-2013 09:23 PM)rocketpete Wrote: (10-03-2013 07:39 PM)MotoRocket Wrote: (09-30-2013 12:55 PM)PTLROCK Wrote: (09-30-2013 12:05 PM)Terry Wrote: Fact is:
Run routes and throw passes that will cover the yardage needed on 3rd to get 1st downs!!!!!!! and this thread never gets started.
For ex: it was 3rd and 4 and TO threw to Flu set 2 yards over the LOS and was tackled immediately for a 2 yard gain, bringing up 4th down. That should have been a 5 yard pass and a 1st down.
Got to know the down and distance!!!!!!!!!!!! The little things!!!!!!!!!
When BSU answered the final Toledo score, Wenning was completing 10+ yards every time he passed the ball. The average yards per catch were 12.4 for BSU. When the DBs are jumping the screen route constantly, do something different. Good grief. This loss is on the coaches for the play calling, but BSU defense was playing pretty tight. Throw the ball at least to the 1st down marker!
Part of the reason why I said we were outcoached. If I were facing a QB like Owens, I would pressure him and play the CB's tight on the line. I don't think Owens can complete passes in a tight window consistently. We seem to have no answers for adjustments made against us.
Pressure or not Moto TO has been so bad he has at times missed while not under pressure.
The MAC is a league predicated on good QB's winning league titles for their team.
This team of ours is looking for a good QB.
I believe UT has given up the fewest sacks in the league so being under pressure can't be blamed for weak QB play. I keep reminding myself we've lost to three good teams on the road. Some home coocking will do us good.
It is tough to get to the QB when our offense is built around the ever explosive 2 yard pass to the flat. I believe our poor offensive game plan and conservative play calling has been the biggest factor of the Rockets average play this year. I understand (not really) the somewhat conservative play calling against Florida and even Missouri, but against Ball St!! Throw the damn ball down field and let your players make some plays. For what its worth, most teams are game planning to stop Fluellen and our running game, so the downfield pass will be open. It's time to see Russell, Reedy, Adams and Jones on the field together. Put your best talent on the field and open it up. We have nothing to lose.
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10-04-2013 11:29 AM |
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RE: Reedy
Toledo threw down field 3 or 4 times to Zo over the middle. It worked. But in the second half our receivers couldn't get space, their corners held us 15 yards down the field.
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RE: Reedy
(10-04-2013 11:29 AM)DSV27 Wrote: It is tough to get to the QB when our offense is built around the ever explosive 2 yard pass to the flat. I believe our poor offensive game plan and conservative play calling has been the biggest factor of the Rockets average play this year. I understand (not really) the somewhat conservative play calling against Florida and even Missouri, but against Ball St!! Throw the damn ball down field and let your players make some plays. For what its worth, most teams are game planning to stop Fluellen and our running game, so the downfield pass will be open. It's time to see Russell, Reedy, Adams and Jones on the field together. Put your best talent on the field and open it up. We have nothing to lose.
Yeah, but do that 3 times and it adds up.
Unfortunately, to 6.
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RE: Reedy
(10-04-2013 03:39 PM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote: (10-04-2013 11:29 AM)DSV27 Wrote: It is tough to get to the QB when our offense is built around the ever explosive 2 yard pass to the flat. I believe our poor offensive game plan and conservative play calling has been the biggest factor of the Rockets average play this year. I understand (not really) the somewhat conservative play calling against Florida and even Missouri, but against Ball St!! Throw the damn ball down field and let your players make some plays. For what its worth, most teams are game planning to stop Fluellen and our running game, so the downfield pass will be open. It's time to see Russell, Reedy, Adams and Jones on the field together. Put your best talent on the field and open it up. We have nothing to lose.
Yeah, but do that 3 times and it adds up.
Unfortunately, to 6.
and a punt...
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10-04-2013 03:41 PM |
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RE: Reedy
Not sure who should take the blame, a lot to go around...
I agree, the bubble screen is used way too much, we use it as a staple which is just wrong. I'm fine with a bubble now and then, but it should be part of a comprehensive attack when they give it to us. We just don't have consistent savvy play calling sequences this year. For Christ sake, I have never called plays in my life and I feel like I could come up with better play calling sequences. First, stretch the field longer often with passes. This sets up the run, a screen to the RB as a safety outlet, or even a bubble screen to the WR once they back off far enough. Also, with good protection, it can let the QB take off running now and then a la Jordan Lynch. Next, spread the field wider now and then. Keep the formations changing to keep them on their toes. Once in a while, get to the line and run a quick power running play when they least expect it (we do this well at times). Finally, the last rule, if they can't stop a play, run it often until they prove they can stop it (this is how we beat UM with Nick Moore and allowed him to set the Big House reception record).
Hopefully we will get back on track this week. We have great talent, we just need to be more consistent in all facets of the game. Go Rockets!
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RE: Reedy
i both hated and like that screen UT ran a couple yards across the line of scrimmage
we never run it anymore
i think that one was often referred to as the bubble screen or kailbreak screen
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10-05-2013 02:44 AM |
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RE: Reedy
Mastering the different screens is essential for running a spread offense. We used to execute them much more consistently and called them on the proper reads and situations. They can be daggers on 2nd or 3rd and long situations when a pass rush is coming. The jailbreak is when the WR fakes down field and then comes back to the middle of the field along the LOS to receive the ball and then cuts up-field (hopefully with a blocker or two). The bubble is when the WR stays mid to wide and quickly receives the pass behind the LOS or as they bubble out, hopefully with another WR coming over to help block. Watch Oregon's offense and drool Of course there are many variants and wrinkles of these plays. Identifying the defensive tendencies and positioning is important to setting them up correctly. When you have athletes than can work in space like Reedy, Macon, and Adams, it is silly not to use these WR screens as part of your comprehensive spread-to-run attack. However, you can't rely too much on one facet of your offense unless the other team is poor defensively. It seems like this has been our downfall against the good teams. And as others have mentioned, there seems to be a fear to throw down-field more for some reason. I would like to see Russel and the TE's used more to stretch the field.
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10-05-2013 08:59 AM |
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RE: Reedy
(10-05-2013 08:59 AM)ToledoMike Wrote: Mastering the different screens is essential for running a spread offense. We used to execute them much more consistently and called them on the proper reads and situations. They can be daggers on 2nd or 3rd and long situations when a pass rush is coming. The jailbreak is when the WR fakes down field and then comes back to the middle of the field along the LOS to receive the ball and then cuts up-field (hopefully with a blocker or two). The bubble is when the WR stays mid to wide and quickly receives the pass behind the LOS or as they bubble out, hopefully with another WR coming over to help block. Watch Oregon's offense and drool Of course there are many variants and wrinkles of these plays. Identifying the defensive tendencies and positioning is important to setting them up correctly. When you have athletes than can work in space like Reedy, Macon, and Adams, it is silly not to use these WR screens as part of your comprehensive spread-to-run attack. However, you can't rely too much on one facet of your offense unless the other team is poor defensively. It seems like this has been our downfall against the good teams. And as others have mentioned, there seems to be a fear to throw down-field more for some reason. I would like to see Russel and the TE's used more to stretch the field.
Certainly have forgotten our TE's as receivers.
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10-05-2013 09:06 AM |
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RE: Reedy
That's for sure. I guess I could understand why they might run a conservative offense in the non-con games--not that I agree with it--but I could understand the reasoning not to show everything. But, to hold anything back in that BSU game would have been insanity. That game was a must-win.
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10-05-2013 10:43 AM |
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RE: Reedy
(10-05-2013 10:43 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote: That's for sure. I guess I could understand why they might run a conservative offense in the non-con games--not that I agree with it--but I could understand the reasoning not to show everything. But, to hold anything back in that BSU game would have been insanity. That game was a must-win.
It was a must win for sure. Toledo just can't win the big game. We feast on the bottom feeders of the MAC and can't win against teams that are of near equal talent. It's been like that for a few years now. Very frustrating.
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