Looking at the Big 12- think it's an interesting comparison to the Big East...
last year- #5 conference
2 teams tied 14-4
13-5
2 teams tied 11-7
9-9
7-11
6-12
3-15
2-16
top 5 got into tourney, #6 won NIT

2 years ago-#4 conference
16-2
14-4
2 teams 12-6
10-8
9-9
7-11
5-13
4-14
1-17
top 6 got into tourney.

I think Big East records will be a lot closer to last year's Big 12. Heck, could see it actually where top team is like 13-5 or maybe even 12-6. Don't see a situation like 2 years ago where a team able to get 16 wins.

Don't think it'll be as compact as the MVC last year:
13-5
12-6
11-7
10-8
9-9
8-10
3 at 7-11
6-12
(btw, this would be the worst case scenario for the Big East- if the wrong teams were 10-8, 9-9, and 8-10, could easily see only 3 teams makign the tourney in that case).

(09-27-2013 02:03 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Looking at the Big 12- think it's an interesting comparison to the Big East...
last year- #5 conference
2 teams tied 14-4
13-5
2 teams tied 11-7
9-9
7-11
6-12
3-15
2-16
top 5 got into tourney, #6 won NIT

2 years ago-#4 conference
16-2
14-4
2 teams 12-6
10-8
9-9
7-11
5-13
4-14
1-17
top 6 got into tourney.

I think Big East records will be a lot closer to last year's Big 12. Heck, could see it actually where top team is like 13-5 or maybe even 12-6. Don't see a situation like 2 years ago where a team able to get 16 wins.

Don't think it'll be as compact as the MVC last year:
13-5
12-6
11-7
10-8
9-9
8-10
3 at 7-11
6-12
(btw, this would be the worst case scenario for the Big East- if the wrong teams were 10-8, 9-9, and 8-10, could easily see only 3 teams makign the tourney in that case).

Who are the "wrong" teams, Steve?

As long as Big East teams take care of business OOC, I don't see how there can be any wrong teams. If a team with a weak OOC schedule does well in conference, they will do so by beating teams in conference who have done well OOC. The value of those OOC wins will transfer to the teams who win conference games.

The problem Melky would be if a team with a weak OOC schedule is the team that is 9-9 in conference play. A team like Providence. The value of the OOC wins from the other teams won't help Providence much at all. OOC schedules are a team by team thing. Providence won't get much help because Georgetown plays a killer OOC schedule.

(09-28-2013 12:38 AM)stever20 Wrote:  The problem Melky would be if a team with a weak OOC schedule is the team that is 9-9 in conference play. A team like Providence. The value of the OOC wins from the other teams won't help Providence much at all. OOC schedules are a team by team thing. Providence won't get much help because Georgetown plays a killer OOC schedule.

Sure they will. If Georgetown boosts its RPI by winning big games OOC and then PC beats Georgetown, the value transfers to PC. I used to run a power ranking service. That's the way it works.

The only thing in the RPI that changes if you win or lose a game is your actual record. Providence would get credit for Georgetown regardless of winning/losing. The thing is all top conferences will have a Georgetown.

If it's Providence finishing 9-9, and they're going up against another bubble team that had a much stronger OOC schedule- that OOC schedule could easily be the differential. The committee puts a lot of stock in OOC games.