i think that vacated wins & scholarship reductions have too many issue's associated with them. kinda like what we saw with tv bans & the death penalty that these two types of penalties will eventually be phased out by the NCAA.

so when that does in fact happen, what can the ncaa replace em with

By making them stay in the #$%& NCAA.

The new penalty structure that went into effect August 1 no longer has the death penalty (only postseason bans are potential prohibitions of play), tv bans, nor vacated wins as punishments.

It does however have one VERY strong potential punishment available: forfeiture of revenue for a certain sport for all the years of violations.

wow Penn State fan bitching about vacating wins. I wonder where that came from.....

(09-27-2013 01:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  wow Penn State fan bitching about vacating wins. I wonder where that came from.....

its not bitching about the sanctions. but its obvious scholly reductions & vacated wins have too many issue's associated with them.

scholarships- injuries, taking away a kids chance's to go to school

vacated wins- they still happened anyways & you cant erase history

it's obvious vacated wins matter if you and all the other penn st minions keep on brining them up.

Depending on the situation...
Fine the coaches or the AD's involved with cheating. Bar them if they don't pay the fine.

(09-27-2013 01:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  it's obvious vacated wins matter if you and all the other penn st minions keep on brining them up.

yeah well look at osu & usc they still claimed those wins at times and like i said.....

you cant erase history

(09-27-2013 01:20 PM)ULdave Wrote:  Depending on the situation...
Fine the coaches or the AD's involved with cheating. Bar them if they don't pay the fine.

i agree

this is 10x more effective

(09-27-2013 01:29 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 01:18 PM)stever20 Wrote:  it's obvious vacated wins matter if you and all the other penn st minions keep on brining them up.

yeah well look at osu & usc they still claimed those wins at times and like i said.....

you cant erase history

Who is the all time winningest coach in Major College football... hint.. it's not Joe Pa!!!!!

the more I read psu fans whine about the punishment they received, the more I believe psu wasn't punished harsh enough.

WTF is wrong with you people? because im a psu fan my point is suddenly invalid?

these sanctions with usc osu & psu in all 3 cases just caused more controversy than it settled.

(09-27-2013 02:12 PM)john01992 Wrote:  WTF is wrong with you people? because im a psu fan my point is suddenly invalid?

these sanctions with usc osu & psu in all 3 cases just caused more controversy than it settled.

All you are trying to do is get Joe Pa to be back to #1. That's it.

(09-27-2013 02:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 02:12 PM)john01992 Wrote:  WTF is wrong with you people? because im a psu fan my point is suddenly invalid?

these sanctions with usc osu & psu in all 3 cases just caused more controversy than it settled.

All you are trying to do is get Joe Pa to be back to #1. That's it.

i never brought up PSU.....

you did

all im saying is that vacating wins just isnt that effective because the fans will still claim it, the schools will still do their best to claim em, and not matter what everyone knows who won those games.

wether its texas psu or alabama the result is the same

I'd say with how butthurt Penn St fans have been about the vacating of the wins- that punishment has done it's job 100% effectively.

(09-27-2013 12:50 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  The new penalty structure that went into effect August 1 no longer has the death penalty (only postseason bans are potential prohibitions of play), tv bans, nor vacated wins as punishments.

It does however have one VERY strong potential punishment available: forfeiture of revenue for a certain sport for all the years of violations.

I agree with this this will get AD and school presidents attention. Take away TV revenue and make them play in empty stadiums like European soccer leagues do.

psu got off easy. The program should have received the death penalty.

The athletes were allowed to transfer without harm. They could stay at psu without playing if they chose and retain their scholarship.

(09-27-2013 02:47 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I'd say with how butthurt Penn St fans have been about the vacating of the wins- that punishment has done it's job 100% effectively.

Yup. That punishment made Joe Paterno into the Ben Johnson of college football coaches. Sure, diehards can still say that Paterno won more games than any other coach... just like they can still say that Ben Johnson won the 100-meter dash at the 1988 Summer Olympic Games.

(09-27-2013 02:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 02:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 02:12 PM)john01992 Wrote:  WTF is wrong with you people? because im a psu fan my point is suddenly invalid?

these sanctions with usc osu & psu in all 3 cases just caused more controversy than it settled.

All you are trying to do is get Joe Pa to be back to #1. That's it.

i never brought up PSU.....

you did

all im saying is that vacating wins just isnt that effective because the fans will still claim it, the schools will still do their best to claim em, and not matter what everyone knows who won those games.

wether its texas psu or alabama the result is the same

I have heard people claim all kind of strange things,doesn't make it true. That is why we keep a set of official records. Sounds like some fans are going through a denial stage.

According to the NCAA, opposing teams are not granted wins, as in a forfeit. The penalized school simply can't claim credit for that victory. For instance, in 2009, Penn State opened the season with a 31-7 rout of Akron. Penn State will lose credit for that win, but Akron cannot claim it as a victory.

(09-27-2013 03:12 PM)redfan Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 02:44 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 02:31 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-27-2013 02:12 PM)john01992 Wrote:  WTF is wrong with you people? because im a psu fan my point is suddenly invalid?

these sanctions with usc osu & psu in all 3 cases just caused more controversy than it settled.

All you are trying to do is get Joe Pa to be back to #1. That's it.

i never brought up PSU.....

you did

all im saying is that vacating wins just isnt that effective because the fans will still claim it, the schools will still do their best to claim em, and not matter what everyone knows who won those games.

wether its texas psu or alabama the result is the same

I have heard people claim all kind of strange things,doesn't make it true. That is why we keep a set of official records. Sounds like some fans are going through a denial stage.

According to the NCAA, opposing teams are not granted wins, as in a forfeit. The penalized school simply can't claim credit for that victory. For instance, in 2009, Penn State opened the season with a 31-7 rout of Akron. Penn State will lose credit for that win, but Akron cannot claim it as a victory.

ive seen plenty of times where tv announcers have referenced vacated games. heck in OSU's gamebook last season they still marked the victories. and did you see the 30 for 30 fab 5 documentary?

its really hard to say a game didnt happen, and its especially hard to erase heismans, final fours & nattys