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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 08:37 AM)LairDweller Wrote:  
(09-28-2013 08:19 AM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  
(09-27-2013 03:07 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(09-27-2013 01:23 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  His record of 62-74 at UAB looks pretty good compared to what has taken place since he left (22-53).

We weren't losers until Watson made us losers.

Okay. With respect to D1, we weren't winners either.

I know you don't like Watson Brown. Unfortunately, he has been our most successful football coach to date.
Just curious...in your mind, does that mean he was our best coach?

Nope. I never said he was our best coach. I still consider McGee to be our best coach to date.

But when it comes to comparing success, you have to consider the wins and losses. There is no way getting around it.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-27-2013 08:56 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  There are degrees of losing, and Callaway was 18-42. I'm aware Callaway had to cleanup the mess left by WB, but 18-42 is what got him fired.

McGee is 4-11, which is the worst winning percentage of any UAB football coaches (0.267). Although I'm starting to be a little critical of some of his recent decisions, I truly believe he is moving the program in the right direction. I'm still a fan of Coach McGee.

But man, it's a difficult job being the UAB football coach given all of the challenges. And yet Watson Brown still has the best winning percentage at 0.456.

Watson left 44 players behind. And, yes, some of those left when Callaway came in, but when a player leaves because he was told he had to workout and follow new team rules then something was rotten already in the barrel. I'm not blaming away all of Callaway's record (he did some good things but ultimately you've got to win on the field), but before Watson left I did not think it even remotely possible that someone, through their own ego and with eyes wide open, could sabotage an FBS football program as thoroughly as he did.

And I was tempted, at the time, to lay some of the blame at the office of the AD but the undeniable truth is that Watson ran under the skirt of PBJr to save his job...the program be damned. That alone should explain why the "Zero" moniker belongs 100% to him and should make him persona non grata around here.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 10:05 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(09-27-2013 08:56 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  There are degrees of losing, and Callaway was 18-42. I'm aware Callaway had to cleanup the mess left by WB, but 18-42 is what got him fired.

McGee is 4-11, which is the worst winning percentage of any UAB football coaches (0.267). Although I'm starting to be a little critical of some of his recent decisions, I truly believe he is moving the program in the right direction. I'm still a fan of Coach McGee.

But man, it's a difficult job being the UAB football coach given all of the challenges. And yet Watson Brown still has the best winning percentage at 0.456.

Watson left 44 players behind. And, yes, some of those left when Callaway came in, but when a player leaves because he was told he had to workout and follow new team rules then something was rotten already in the barrel. I'm not blaming away all of Callaway's record (he did some good things but ultimately you've got to win on the field), but before Watson left I did not think it even remotely possible that someone, through their own ego and with eyes wide open, could sabotage an FBS football program as thoroughly as he did.

And I was tempted, at the time, to lay some of the blame at the office of the AD but the undeniable truth is that Watson ran under the skirt of PBJr to save his job...the program be damned. That alone should explain why the "Zero" moniker belongs 100% to him and should make him persona non grata around here.

I believe that all to be true. And we can never forget that. Callaway didn't have a chance the first couple of years. He stepped right into the cesspool WB left behind. Consequently most of us gave Callaway the benefit of the doubt for a year or two.

I guess you could say the UA BOT's did Jimbo Fisher a favor. Who could have won the first two years after WB?
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
Hopefully McGee's legacy is as the first coach to:

-Win a bowl game
-Have a winning conference record all-time
-Win the first game on campus
-Convert a drop kick FG on a 3rd and 4 in the 2nd quarter.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 10:05 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(09-27-2013 08:56 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  There are degrees of losing, and Callaway was 18-42. I'm aware Callaway had to cleanup the mess left by WB, but 18-42 is what got him fired.

McGee is 4-11, which is the worst winning percentage of any UAB football coaches (0.267). Although I'm starting to be a little critical of some of his recent decisions, I truly believe he is moving the program in the right direction. I'm still a fan of Coach McGee.

But man, it's a difficult job being the UAB football coach given all of the challenges. And yet Watson Brown still has the best winning percentage at 0.456.

Watson left 44 players behind. And, yes, some of those left when Callaway came in, but when a player leaves because he was told he had to workout and follow new team rules then something was rotten already in the barrel. I'm not blaming away all of Callaway's record (he did some good things but ultimately you've got to win on the field), but before Watson left I did not think it even remotely possible that someone, through their own ego and with eyes wide open, could sabotage an FBS football program as thoroughly as he did.

And I was tempted, at the time, to lay some of the blame at the office of the AD but the undeniable truth is that Watson ran under the skirt of PBJr to save his job...the program be damned. That alone should explain why the "Zero" moniker belongs 100% to him and should make him persona non grata around here.

So how does that make him any different than Garrison, Mackin, and Margison? Watson ran under Bear Jr.'s skirt to save his job, then the administrators hiked their skirts and ran away as fast as they could to save theirs. Those skirts are still firmly planted under their armpits to this day.

Those that went along with the hiring of Neal Callaway are just as responsible for the current state of UAB's football program as Watson Brown.
The day he was hired is when we officially "kissed the ring". UAB went along with the BOT's wishes and got NOTHING in return. Our leaders are still kissing their @ss and we still got nothing. If UAB had cared about what the UA BOT wanted there wouldn't be Blazer athletics, much less football. Our fortunes will turn around when somebody in a leadership role grows a spine.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 09:14 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Exactly.

Some of the biggest handicaps both Callaway and McGee have dealt with at UAB can be laid squarely at Watson's feet.

This is it in a nutshell. Plus 0 never embraced Hilyer and personally that rubbed me the wrong way.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 10:44 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  
(09-28-2013 10:05 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(09-27-2013 08:56 PM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  There are degrees of losing, and Callaway was 18-42. I'm aware Callaway had to cleanup the mess left by WB, but 18-42 is what got him fired.

McGee is 4-11, which is the worst winning percentage of any UAB football coaches (0.267). Although I'm starting to be a little critical of some of his recent decisions, I truly believe he is moving the program in the right direction. I'm still a fan of Coach McGee.

But man, it's a difficult job being the UAB football coach given all of the challenges. And yet Watson Brown still has the best winning percentage at 0.456.

Watson left 44 players behind. And, yes, some of those left when Callaway came in, but when a player leaves because he was told he had to workout and follow new team rules then something was rotten already in the barrel. I'm not blaming away all of Callaway's record (he did some good things but ultimately you've got to win on the field), but before Watson left I did not think it even remotely possible that someone, through their own ego and with eyes wide open, could sabotage an FBS football program as thoroughly as he did.

And I was tempted, at the time, to lay some of the blame at the office of the AD but the undeniable truth is that Watson ran under the skirt of PBJr to save his job...the program be damned. That alone should explain why the "Zero" moniker belongs 100% to him and should make him persona non grata around here.

So how does that make him any different than Garrison, Mackin, and Margison? Watson ran under Bear Jr.'s skirt to save his job, then the administrators hiked their skirts and ran away as fast as they could to save theirs. Those skirts are still firmly planted under their armpits to this day.

Those that went along with the hiring of Neal Callaway are just as responsible for the current state of UAB's football program as Watson Brown.
The day he was hired is when we officially "kissed the ring". UAB went along with the BOT's wishes and got NOTHING in return. Our leaders are still kissing their @ss and we still got nothing. If UAB had cared about what the UA BOT wanted there wouldn't be Blazer athletics, much less football. Our fortunes will turn around when somebody in a leadership role grows a spine.

Like Ann Reynolds?
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"Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 10:18 AM)KevMo4UAB Wrote:  I guess you could say the UA BOT's did Jimbo Fisher a favor. Who could have won the first two years after WB?

I agree 100% so don't take this as disputing your point, but this is where I think most people miss how much credit is due to Callaway. Someone like Fisher not only wouldn't have been able to win but would have been tempted to just get some talent in here ASAP without regard to everything else surrounding the program. Callaway, being already resented before his first day on the job, didn't have to - as Jake Seitz put it - do what was necessary to put the chiefs back in charge and not the indians. But he did and had the testicular fortitude to show guys the door if they didn't buy in even when it meant we'd have roughly 60 players on our sideline. As I've said, he couldn't get over that final hump but even considering the Hawai'i Bowl I'll always rate him the better coach than Brown.
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"Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 10:44 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  Those that went along with the hiring of Neal Callaway are just as responsible for the current state of UAB's football program as Watson Brown.
The day he was hired is when we officially "kissed the ring". UAB went along with the BOT's wishes and got NOTHING in return. Our leaders are still kissing their @ss and we still got nothing. If UAB had cared about what the UA BOT wanted there wouldn't be Blazer athletics, much less football. Our fortunes will turn around when somebody in a leadership role grows a spine.

Surely you can make the distinction between living to fight another day and completely selling one's soul. Even more, those who backed down did so for the program to live to fight another day...not just themselves. Watson actively secured the backing of a man who had made no secret of his disdain for our entire athletics department solely to save his ass. If you think Mackin, Garrison, et. al. should have pursued some course other than what they did, you're welcome to your opinion. But there is not even the tiniest of similarities between their actions and Watson's.
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RE: "Brown set foundation for both Vandy, UAB."
(09-28-2013 11:35 AM)blazr Wrote:  
(09-28-2013 10:44 AM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  Those that went along with the hiring of Neal Callaway are just as responsible for the current state of UAB's football program as Watson Brown.
The day he was hired is when we officially "kissed the ring". UAB went along with the BOT's wishes and got NOTHING in return. Our leaders are still kissing their @ss and we still got nothing. If UAB had cared about what the UA BOT wanted there wouldn't be Blazer athletics, much less football. Our fortunes will turn around when somebody in a leadership role grows a spine.

Surely you can make the distinction between living to fight another day and completely selling one's soul. Even more, those who backed down did so for the program to live to fight another day...not just themselves. Watson actively secured the backing of a man who had made no secret of his disdain for our entire athletics department solely to save his ass. If you think Mackin, Garrison, et. al. should have pursued some course other than what they did, you're welcome to your opinion. But there is not even the tiniest of similarities between their actions and Watson's.

Pure, and total, BS. Backing down did nothing positive for the program. Backing down made this program into the worst in C-USA and one of the worst in the nation. UAB is still paying for the craven nature of its leadership.
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