Taking the mean and median Massey Composite rating and dividing by 2, here is where the middle of the conferences rate:

1. SEC 26.1
2. Pac 12 30.3
3. Big 10 41.5
4. ACC 46.5
5. Big 12 47.7
6. American 71.6
7. MWC 83.5
8. CUSA 93.6
9. SunBelt 94.6
10. MAC 96.0

Looking at the conferences in their 2015 configuration, and using Sagarin ratings to project Old Dominion, App St, Georgia Southern, etc:

1. SEC 26.1
2. Pac 12 30.3
3. Big 10 41.3
4. ACC 45.8
5. Big 12 47.7
6. American 78.8
7. MWC 83.5
8. MAC 96.0
9. SunBelt 101.5
10. CUSA 102.3

(09-23-2013 06:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Taking the mean and median Massey Composite rating and dividing by 2, here is where the middle of the conferences rate:

1. SEC 26.1
2. Pac 12 30.3
3. Big 10 41.5
4. ACC 46.5
5. Big 12 47.7
6. American 71.6
7. MWC 83.5
8. CUSA 93.6
9. SunBelt 94.6
10. MAC 96.0

Looking at the conferences in their 2015 configuration, and using Sagarin ratings to project Old Dominion, App St, Georgia Southern, etc:

1. SEC 26.1
2. Pac 12 30.3
3. Big 10 41.3
4. ACC 45.8
5. Big 12 47.7
6. American 78.8
7. MWC 83.5
8. MAC 96.0
9. SunBelt 101.5
10. CUSA 102.3

How does the ACC's drop trading Louisville for Maryland?

Something doesn't look right. I don't understand how the B1G is virtually the same even after taking on Rutgers and Maryland.

Pack: UL has a higher rating, its a good thing (for the ACC) that it drops.

Jam: Probably because Maryland and RU are ranked in the upper 30 low 40 range so it wouldn't have much of an impact on the average/median.

(09-23-2013 07:53 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Pack: UL has a higher rating, its a good thing it drops.

Jam: probably because umd and rut are ranked in the upper 30 low 40 range so it wouldn't have much of an impact on the avg.

10-4

Either way...the gap between #5 and #6 conference is ridiculous.

about what I figured it would be

(09-23-2013 07:45 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Something doesn't look right. I don't understand how the B1G is virtually the same even after taking on Rutgers and Maryland.

Simple. We are measuring the middle of the conference here. Maryland is 32 in the latest Massey Composite, and Rutgers is 50. So the Big 10's average/median of 41 is little changed.

(09-23-2013 08:08 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Either way...the gap between #5 and #6 conference is ridiculous.

Look at how horrible the bottom 3 conferences are in the new alignment.

Not saying the American and MWC are great, but those bottom 3 suck eggs.

Folks are going to have to get used to the fact that Rutgers and Maryland are not doomed to be nonexistent football programs.

In fact, Rutgers is going to be a very strong program. Maryland will be respectable with some good seasons and some bad ones.

Disagree. Both Maryland and Rutgers have won their conferences. Neither will ever win the B1G or even come close. These schools have also won 8 to 10 games at times. With a 9 game B1G schedule, they will be lucky to get to 6 most years.

(09-23-2013 08:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Folks are going to have to get used to the fact that Rutgers and Maryland are not doomed to be nonexistent football programs.

In fact, Rutgers is going to be a very strong program. Maryland will be respectable with some good seasons and some bad ones.

(09-23-2013 09:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Disagree. Both Maryland and Rutgers have won their conferences. Neither will ever win the B1G or even come close. These schools have also won 8 to 10 games at times. With a 9 game B1G schedule, they will be lucky to get to 6 most years.

(09-23-2013 08:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Folks are going to have to get used to the fact that Rutgers and Maryland are not doomed to be nonexistent football programs.

In fact, Rutgers is going to be a very strong program. Maryland will be respectable with some good seasons and some bad ones.

I don't think Maryland will be winning the Big Ten and never stated such. Rutgers has more possibility in that regard. The kids in Jersey are rallying around Rutgers and doing much of the recruiting for the school. If Rutgers can seal up that State and assure themselves of the cream of the crop there then they can definitely earn themselves a place at the top of the Big Ten and in contention.

You will see soon enough. You are relying on the past while there are plenty of signs that show bright futures for both programs.

You are correct. I am relying on the past but that's the data I have at the moment. Neither program has shown the ability to consistently win..even in weaker conferences. Look at what has happened to Nebraska since they joined the B1G. I can just see both programs being middle of the road in the B1G and that's it.

(09-23-2013 09:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 09:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Disagree. Both Maryland and Rutgers have won their conferences. Neither will ever win the B1G or even come close. These schools have also won 8 to 10 games at times. With a 9 game B1G schedule, they will be lucky to get to 6 most years.

(09-23-2013 08:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Folks are going to have to get used to the fact that Rutgers and Maryland are not doomed to be nonexistent football programs.

In fact, Rutgers is going to be a very strong program. Maryland will be respectable with some good seasons and some bad ones.

I don't think Maryland will be winning the Big Ten and never stated such. Rutgers has more possibility in that regard. The kids in Jersey are rallying around Rutgers and doing much of the recruiting for the school. If Rutgers can seal up that State and assure themselves of the cream of the crop there then they can definitely earn themselves a place at the top of the Big Ten and in contention.

You will see soon enough. You are relying on the past while there are plenty of signs that show bright futures for both programs.

(09-23-2013 09:12 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  You are correct. I am relying on the past but that's the data I have at the moment. Neither program has shown the ability to consistently win..even in weaker conferences. Look at what has happened to Nebraska since they joined the B1G. I can just see both programs being middle of the road in the B1G and that's it.

(09-23-2013 09:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 09:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Disagree. Both Maryland and Rutgers have won their conferences. Neither will ever win the B1G or even come close. These schools have also won 8 to 10 games at times. With a 9 game B1G schedule, they will be lucky to get to 6 most years.

(09-23-2013 08:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Folks are going to have to get used to the fact that Rutgers and Maryland are not doomed to be nonexistent football programs.

In fact, Rutgers is going to be a very strong program. Maryland will be respectable with some good seasons and some bad ones.

I don't think Maryland will be winning the Big Ten and never stated such. Rutgers has more possibility in that regard. The kids in Jersey are rallying around Rutgers and doing much of the recruiting for the school. If Rutgers can seal up that State and assure themselves of the cream of the crop there then they can definitely earn themselves a place at the top of the Big Ten and in contention.

You will see soon enough. You are relying on the past while there are plenty of signs that show bright futures for both programs.

Nebraska has been weakened in recruiting. Maryland and Rutgers will grow stronger in recruiting in their regions because their region is actually strong for recruiting unlike Nebraska.

2014 recruiting numbers are available. Rutgers is doing ok. Somewhere in the 20's. Maryland is terrible at the moment. They are even being out-recruited by Duke.

Don't rely too much on recruiting. You still have to do something with the talent.

(09-23-2013 09:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 09:12 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  You are correct. I am relying on the past but that's the data I have at the moment. Neither program has shown the ability to consistently win..even in weaker conferences. Look at what has happened to Nebraska since they joined the B1G. I can just see both programs being middle of the road in the B1G and that's it.

(09-23-2013 09:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 09:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Disagree. Both Maryland and Rutgers have won their conferences. Neither will ever win the B1G or even come close. These schools have also won 8 to 10 games at times. With a 9 game B1G schedule, they will be lucky to get to 6 most years.

(09-23-2013 08:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Folks are going to have to get used to the fact that Rutgers and Maryland are not doomed to be nonexistent football programs.

In fact, Rutgers is going to be a very strong program. Maryland will be respectable with some good seasons and some bad ones.

I don't think Maryland will be winning the Big Ten and never stated such. Rutgers has more possibility in that regard. The kids in Jersey are rallying around Rutgers and doing much of the recruiting for the school. If Rutgers can seal up that State and assure themselves of the cream of the crop there then they can definitely earn themselves a place at the top of the Big Ten and in contention.

You will see soon enough. You are relying on the past while there are plenty of signs that show bright futures for both programs.

Nebraska has been weakened in recruiting. Maryland and Rutgers will grow stronger in recruiting in their regions because their region is actually strong for recruiting unlike Nebraska.

(09-23-2013 09:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Disagree. Both Maryland and Rutgers have won their conferences. Neither will ever win the B1G or even come close. These schools have also won 8 to 10 games at times. With a 9 game B1G schedule, they will be lucky to get to 6 most years.

(09-23-2013 08:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Folks are going to have to get used to the fact that Rutgers and Maryland are not doomed to be nonexistent football programs.

In fact, Rutgers is going to be a very strong program. Maryland will be respectable with some good seasons and some bad ones.

FYI: Rutgers has never won the Big East in either football or basketball...

But IMO Rutgers will be successful in the B1G, since that association is going to make them much more attractive to recruits, especially those in NJ that they currently lose to programs like Penn State, Ohio State, WVU, Pitt, etc.. NJ produces a lot of very good recruits, and Rutgers should be able to keep a larger percentage of them at home now that they're in the B1G. That will be huge for their football program...

Don't be surprised if you see them challenging for a B1G football title before the next decade is up...

(09-23-2013 10:37 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 09:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Disagree. Both Maryland and Rutgers have won their conferences. Neither will ever win the B1G or even come close. These schools have also won 8 to 10 games at times. With a 9 game B1G schedule, they will be lucky to get to 6 most years.

(09-23-2013 08:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Folks are going to have to get used to the fact that Rutgers and Maryland are not doomed to be nonexistent football programs.

In fact, Rutgers is going to be a very strong program. Maryland will be respectable with some good seasons and some bad ones.

FYI: Rutgers has never won the Big East in either football or basketball...

But IMO Rutgers will be successful in the B1G, since that association is going to make them much more attractive to recruits, especially those in NJ that they currently lose to programs like Penn State, Ohio State, WVU, Pitt, etc.. NJ produces a lot of very good recruits, and Rutgers should be able to keep a larger percentage of them at home now that they're in the B1G. That will be huge for their football program...

Don't be surprised if you see them challenging for a B1G football title before the next decade is up...

RU tied for a championship last year and they will only keep NJ talent if they can consistently win, which will be hard with the step up in talent. It's a two way street. NYers don't like losers and recruits don't like schools that can't go bowling.

It's hard for a non-elite program to stay good. Trust me. I'm a Syracuse fan who lived through Greg Robinson.

(09-23-2013 10:45 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 10:37 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 09:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Disagree. Both Maryland and Rutgers have won their conferences. Neither will ever win the B1G or even come close. These schools have also won 8 to 10 games at times. With a 9 game B1G schedule, they will be lucky to get to 6 most years.

(09-23-2013 08:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Folks are going to have to get used to the fact that Rutgers and Maryland are not doomed to be nonexistent football programs.

In fact, Rutgers is going to be a very strong program. Maryland will be respectable with some good seasons and some bad ones.

FYI: Rutgers has never won the Big East in either football or basketball...

But IMO Rutgers will be successful in the B1G, since that association is going to make them much more attractive to recruits, especially those in NJ that they currently lose to programs like Penn State, Ohio State, WVU, Pitt, etc.. NJ produces a lot of very good recruits, and Rutgers should be able to keep a larger percentage of them at home now that they're in the B1G. That will be huge for their football program...

Don't be surprised if you see them challenging for a B1G football title before the next decade is up...

RU tied for a championship last year and they will only keep NJ talent if they can consistently win, which will be hard with the step up in talent. It's a two way street. NYers don't like losers and recruits don't like schools that can't go bowling.

It's hard for a non-elite program to stay good. Trust me. I'm a Syracuse fan who lived through Greg Robinson.

IMO merely tying for the conference title doesn't cut it. The conference winner is the one that gets the BCS bid...

As for your opinion on NJ recruiting, I get your point. But I still think you're wrong, because you're not seeing the whole picture. You're just looking at it from a New York point of view, which considers NJ a dump for their garbage...

(09-23-2013 06:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Taking the mean and median Massey Composite rating and dividing by 2, here is where the middle of the conferences rate:

Some issues:

1. Why the Massey and not a different computer ranking? Why not all the computers? Didn't the Massey have Auburn #1 after week 3 or something crazy like that?

2. Did you take the mean or the median rating? You mention both but there's only 1 figure. Why divide by 2?

(09-23-2013 09:23 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 09:12 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  You are correct. I am relying on the past but that's the data I have at the moment. Neither program has shown the ability to consistently win..even in weaker conferences. Look at what has happened to Nebraska since they joined the B1G. I can just see both programs being middle of the road in the B1G and that's it.

(09-23-2013 09:04 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 09:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Disagree. Both Maryland and Rutgers have won their conferences. Neither will ever win the B1G or even come close. These schools have also won 8 to 10 games at times. With a 9 game B1G schedule, they will be lucky to get to 6 most years.

(09-23-2013 08:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Folks are going to have to get used to the fact that Rutgers and Maryland are not doomed to be nonexistent football programs.

In fact, Rutgers is going to be a very strong program. Maryland will be respectable with some good seasons and some bad ones.

I don't think Maryland will be winning the Big Ten and never stated such. Rutgers has more possibility in that regard. The kids in Jersey are rallying around Rutgers and doing much of the recruiting for the school. If Rutgers can seal up that State and assure themselves of the cream of the crop there then they can definitely earn themselves a place at the top of the Big Ten and in contention.

You will see soon enough. You are relying on the past while there are plenty of signs that show bright futures for both programs.

Nebraska has been weakened in recruiting. Maryland and Rutgers will grow stronger in recruiting in their regions because their region is actually strong for recruiting unlike Nebraska.

Plain and simply, no.

Why would Rutgers be stronger than Maryland? Has Rutgers played in a BCS bowl? Maryland did. Rutgers has good recruiting territory? So does Maryland. The recruits are "rallying behind" Rutgers? Maryland's done a good job keeping local kids home lately.

If Rutgers is going to be so "strong," why won't Maryland? Everything you say about Rutgers you can easily say about Maryland.

Both will struggle to consistently finish higher than 4th in their new division. They're pretty much guaranteed not to finish last though, thanks to Indiana.

Best case scenario: Both schools wind up about as good as Michigan State. Worst case scenario: The only teams they consistently beat are Indiana and each other.

So, best case scenario, they average 2-4 in their division over the long haul. That's 0-3 against UM, PSU and OSU, 1-0 against IU, and 1-1 against MSU and RU/UMD. Throw in a 2-1 against the West and 2-1 OOC and you get a nice 6-6 season, 7-5 if they upset one of the divisions elite programs.