They just beat Arkansas as an AAC team that hasn't had any of the aid playing in the Big Ten will give them. Yet...very biased Connecticut fans dare to make an absolute statement that Rutgers wont be able to hack it?

You will have to pardon me if I completely disregard your opinion on the matter. Thanks.

I originally did not like the additions of Maryland and Rutgers to the B1G and stated as much in the B1G Forum, but they are growing on me quickly.

Rutgers is playing pretty darn good ball and should be ready to compete in the B1G sooner than I thought. Maryland's been on a good run to start this season and that complete mauling of West Virginia was not something I expected.

If the B1G expands again, I would love to see the conference pick up KU and Mizzou or KU and OU. I know OU doesn't meet the AAU requirement, but Lord that would be a quality addition and may provide some needed fire/inspiration for Nebraska.

(09-23-2013 11:06 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 06:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Taking the mean and median Massey Composite rating and dividing by 2, here is where the middle of the conferences rate:

Some issues:

1. Why the Massey and not a different computer ranking? Why not all the computers? Didn't the Massey have Auburn #1 after week 3 or something crazy like that?

2. Did you take the mean or the median rating? You mention both but there's only 1 figure. Why divide by 2?

1. The Massey Composite is "all the computers." It's a combination of 60+ polls.

2. I calculated an average for each conference. And a median. Then instead of reporting one or the other or both, I added them and divided by 2. In some cases, the median was 5 spots different than the average. I thought my solution was representative of "the middle of the conference", which is what I was measuring. I could have done a weighted average like Sagarin, but I don't know the excel formula for it.

(09-24-2013 12:34 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  I could have done a weighted average like Sagarin, but I don't know the excel formula for it.

I've just generated the weights in a column next to the index by hand, but a sketch of the formula for the weight is min(rank, 1+size-rank), where "size" is the number of schools in the conference and rank is the function to rank a value in a set of values. I don't have Excel here, but in the OpenOffice Calc, its rank(value,data), where value would be the value from the scale and data would be the range of all the values from the conference.

Multiply each value by its weight, and take the sum of the weighted values divided by the sum of the weights.

(09-23-2013 10:51 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 10:45 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 10:37 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 09:01 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Disagree. Both Maryland and Rutgers have won their conferences. Neither will ever win the B1G or even come close. These schools have also won 8 to 10 games at times. With a 9 game B1G schedule, they will be lucky to get to 6 most years.

(09-23-2013 08:56 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Folks are going to have to get used to the fact that Rutgers and Maryland are not doomed to be nonexistent football programs.

In fact, Rutgers is going to be a very strong program. Maryland will be respectable with some good seasons and some bad ones.

FYI: Rutgers has never won the Big East in either football or basketball...

But IMO Rutgers will be successful in the B1G, since that association is going to make them much more attractive to recruits, especially those in NJ that they currently lose to programs like Penn State, Ohio State, WVU, Pitt, etc.. NJ produces a lot of very good recruits, and Rutgers should be able to keep a larger percentage of them at home now that they're in the B1G. That will be huge for their football program...

Don't be surprised if you see them challenging for a B1G football title before the next decade is up...

RU tied for a championship last year and they will only keep NJ talent if they can consistently win, which will be hard with the step up in talent. It's a two way street. NYers don't like losers and recruits don't like schools that can't go bowling.

It's hard for a non-elite program to stay good. Trust me. I'm a Syracuse fan who lived through Greg Robinson.

IMO merely tying for the conference title doesn't cut it. The conference winner is the one that gets the BCS bid...

As for your opinion on NJ recruiting, I get your point. But I still think you're wrong, because you're not seeing the whole picture. You're just looking at it from a New York point of view, which considers NJ a dump for their garbage...

This. I don't consider us to have won diddly. Louisville got the BCS bid last year so as far as I'm concerned we finished in 2nd place.

That being said its hard not to see our talent level rising as of late. While the Big Ten will definitely be a tougher challenge than we saw in the Big East (many years anyway) we have similar defensive and skill position talent levels to the top half of the conference. Whether we have the coaching level or the offensive line to contend out of the gate is what remains to be seen.

(09-23-2013 11:51 PM)Blackhawk-eye Wrote:  I originally did not like the additions of Maryland and Rutgers to the B1G and stated as much in the B1G Forum, but they are growing on me quickly.

Rutgers is playing pretty darn good ball and should be ready to compete in the B1G sooner than I thought. Maryland's been on a good run to start this season and that complete mauling of West Virginia was not something I expected.

If the B1G expands again, I would love to see the conference pick up KU and Mizzou or KU and OU. I know OU doesn't meet the AAU requirement, but Lord that would be a quality addition and may provide some needed fire/inspiration for Nebraska.

Definitely. Making OU-UNL an annual affair again would do wonders for Nebraska and probably Oklahoma as well. Nebraska fits with the Big Ten just fine overall though.

(09-23-2013 11:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  They just beat Arkansas as an AAC team that hasn't had any of the aid playing in the Big Ten will give them. Yet...very biased Connecticut fans dare to make an absolute statement that Rutgers wont be able to hack it?

You will have to pardon me if I completely disregard your opinion on the matter. Thanks.

It's no surprise you'd disregard anyone's opinion other than your own and claim yours to be fact. Good for you.

Were you calling me a UConn fan or were others in this thread also telling you how foolish you were and they just happened to cheer for the Huskies?

And, uh, brah, Arkansas will be lucky to make a bowl this year and went 4-8 last year. What a big win by Rutgers.

(09-24-2013 12:34 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 11:06 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 06:13 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  Taking the mean and median Massey Composite rating and dividing by 2, here is where the middle of the conferences rate:

Some issues:

1. Why the Massey and not a different computer ranking? Why not all the computers? Didn't the Massey have Auburn #1 after week 3 or something crazy like that?

2. Did you take the mean or the median rating? You mention both but there's only 1 figure. Why divide by 2?

1. The Massey Composite is "all the computers." It's a combination of 60+ polls.

2. I calculated an average for each conference. And a median. Then instead of reporting one or the other or both, I added them and divided by 2. In some cases, the median was 5 spots different than the average. I thought my solution was representative of "the middle of the conference", which is what I was measuring. I could have done a weighted average like Sagarin, but I don't know the excel formula for it.

I see.

(09-23-2013 08:51 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 08:08 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Either way...the gap between #5 and #6 conference is ridiculous.

Look at how horrible the bottom 3 conferences are in the new alignment.

Not saying the American and MWC are great, but those bottom 3 suck eggs.

Are those ratings just based on the first 3-4 games of this year? That's meaningless.

(09-24-2013 10:04 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 11:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  They just beat Arkansas as an AAC team that hasn't had any of the aid playing in the Big Ten will give them. Yet...very biased Connecticut fans dare to make an absolute statement that Rutgers wont be able to hack it?

You will have to pardon me if I completely disregard your opinion on the matter. Thanks.

It's no surprise you'd disregard anyone's opinion other than your own and claim yours to be fact. Good for you.

Were you calling me a UConn fan or were others in this thread also telling you how foolish you were and they just happened to cheer for the Huskies?

And, uh, brah, Arkansas will be lucky to make a bowl this year and went 4-8 last year. What a big win by Rutgers.

Arkansas is certainly better than Towson State. You are one hell of a hypocrite. Arkansas could go 4-8 this year and still be a team that could easily win your division and that is the point. You are a pissy little UConn fan who badmouths Rutgers at every opportunity because you hate the fact that the Big Ten wanted them and neither the ACC nor the Big Ten want UConn. That is why I disregard your opinion.

All that crying you did in response to my statement just supports my opinion of you, it does nothing for whatever you are trying to prove.

Let's understand what we are really talking about here. Rutgers has only 2 double digit winning season in it's history. Maryland has only 3 double digit winning seasons in the past 36 years. I would like to believe being in the B1G would make both programs better but I just don't see it.

(09-24-2013 10:32 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  Let's understand what we are really talking about here. Rutgers has only 2 double digit winning season in it's history. Maryland has only 3 double digit winning seasons in the past 36 years. I would like to believe being in the B1G would make both programs better but I just don't see it.

Looks like UMD may be racking up another one on it's ACC farewell tour. Only time will tell. We will see when they play FSU next.

Rutgers has an outside shot but without the luxury of a championship game.

(09-24-2013 07:30 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 10:04 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 11:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  They just beat Arkansas as an AAC team that hasn't had any of the aid playing in the Big Ten will give them. Yet...very biased Connecticut fans dare to make an absolute statement that Rutgers wont be able to hack it?

You will have to pardon me if I completely disregard your opinion on the matter. Thanks.

It's no surprise you'd disregard anyone's opinion other than your own and claim yours to be fact. Good for you.

Were you calling me a UConn fan or were others in this thread also telling you how foolish you were and they just happened to cheer for the Huskies?

And, uh, brah, Arkansas will be lucky to make a bowl this year and went 4-8 last year. What a big win by Rutgers.

Arkansas is certainly better than Towson State. You are one hell of a hypocrite. Arkansas could go 4-8 this year and still be a team that could easily win your division and that is the point. You are a pissy little UConn fan who badmouths Rutgers at every opportunity because you hate the fact that the Big Ten wanted them and neither the ACC nor the Big Ten want UConn. That is why I disregard your opinion.

All that crying you did in response to my statement just supports my opinion of you, it does nothing for whatever you are trying to prove.

Is this true? I was under the impression he was a Fl. St. fan, that is how he has portrayed himself when he's over on the ACC board badmouthing that conference...

(09-24-2013 07:30 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 10:04 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 11:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  They just beat Arkansas as an AAC team that hasn't had any of the aid playing in the Big Ten will give them. Yet...very biased Connecticut fans dare to make an absolute statement that Rutgers wont be able to hack it?

You will have to pardon me if I completely disregard your opinion on the matter. Thanks.

It's no surprise you'd disregard anyone's opinion other than your own and claim yours to be fact. Good for you.

Were you calling me a UConn fan or were others in this thread also telling you how foolish you were and they just happened to cheer for the Huskies?

And, uh, brah, Arkansas will be lucky to make a bowl this year and went 4-8 last year. What a big win by Rutgers.

Arkansas is certainly better than Towson State. You are one hell of a hypocrite. Arkansas could go 4-8 this year and still be a team that could easily win your division and that is the point. You are a pissy little UConn fan who badmouths Rutgers at every opportunity because you hate the fact that the Big Ten wanted them and neither the ACC nor the Big Ten want UConn. That is why I disregard your opinion.

All that crying you did in response to my statement just supports my opinion of you, it does nothing for whatever you are trying to prove.

There's no State in Towson. Just like it's not North Texas State or Memphis State or Troy State any longer.

You clearly don't know **** about me if you think I'm a UConn fan. I mean, you serious?

But regardless, it warms my soul that you think about me so much.

(09-25-2013 12:55 AM)Crimsonelf Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 07:30 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 10:04 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 11:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  They just beat Arkansas as an AAC team that hasn't had any of the aid playing in the Big Ten will give them. Yet...very biased Connecticut fans dare to make an absolute statement that Rutgers wont be able to hack it?

You will have to pardon me if I completely disregard your opinion on the matter. Thanks.

It's no surprise you'd disregard anyone's opinion other than your own and claim yours to be fact. Good for you.

Were you calling me a UConn fan or were others in this thread also telling you how foolish you were and they just happened to cheer for the Huskies?

And, uh, brah, Arkansas will be lucky to make a bowl this year and went 4-8 last year. What a big win by Rutgers.

Arkansas is certainly better than Towson State. You are one hell of a hypocrite. Arkansas could go 4-8 this year and still be a team that could easily win your division and that is the point. You are a pissy little UConn fan who badmouths Rutgers at every opportunity because you hate the fact that the Big Ten wanted them and neither the ACC nor the Big Ten want UConn. That is why I disregard your opinion.

All that crying you did in response to my statement just supports my opinion of you, it does nothing for whatever you are trying to prove.

Is this true? I was under the impression he was a Fl. St. fan, that is how he has portrayed himself when he's over on the ACC board badmouthing that conference...

I don't "portray" to be anything over there. There's no need for it. And the ACC is bad at a lot of things. If it wasn't UL's life raft you'd notice that as well.

(09-25-2013 09:15 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 07:30 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 10:04 AM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(09-23-2013 11:32 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  They just beat Arkansas as an AAC team that hasn't had any of the aid playing in the Big Ten will give them. Yet...very biased Connecticut fans dare to make an absolute statement that Rutgers wont be able to hack it?

You will have to pardon me if I completely disregard your opinion on the matter. Thanks.

It's no surprise you'd disregard anyone's opinion other than your own and claim yours to be fact. Good for you.

Were you calling me a UConn fan or were others in this thread also telling you how foolish you were and they just happened to cheer for the Huskies?

And, uh, brah, Arkansas will be lucky to make a bowl this year and went 4-8 last year. What a big win by Rutgers.

Arkansas is certainly better than Towson State. You are one hell of a hypocrite. Arkansas could go 4-8 this year and still be a team that could easily win your division and that is the point. You are a pissy little UConn fan who badmouths Rutgers at every opportunity because you hate the fact that the Big Ten wanted them and neither the ACC nor the Big Ten want UConn. That is why I disregard your opinion.

All that crying you did in response to my statement just supports my opinion of you, it does nothing for whatever you are trying to prove.

There's no State in Towson. Just like it's not North Texas State or Memphis State or Troy State any longer.

You clearly don't know **** about me if you think I'm a UConn fan. I mean, you serious?

But regardless, it warms my soul that you think about me so much.

Marge Schott belongs to only one city, pretty sure its not in Conn.