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RE: MAC Attendance- September
Love the numbers from Kent State! The last 3 losses in as many weeks have defintely deflated a lot of the hype surrounding the program outta the gate, but unless the weather is horrible for homecoming against NIU (in 2 weeks) we should be able to get close to our average to this point and keep the number up there.
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(09-23-2013 10:01 AM)shakermaker05 Wrote:  Love the numbers from Kent State! The last 3 losses in as many weeks have defintely deflated a lot of the hype surrounding the program outta the gate, but unless the weather is horrible for homecoming against NIU (in 2 weeks) we should be able to get close to our average to this point and keep the number up there.

And you should have some positive momentum going into that NIU game in 2 weeks... :-/
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(09-22-2013 11:51 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Trust me. Go ahead and count the seats.

Those two statements are contradictory to each other.
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Bobcat Backer: Tell us the real scoop....what is Peden's official capacity and does it include lawn general admission seating? Despite claims to the contrary, I just gotta think you have to have seats for your defined stadium capacity. Otherwise, when the old "30K capacity" rule was in effect (so that you only had to then average 17K once every 4 years to maintain IA status), why would Miami and other schools have brought in all those temporary stands at great expense?
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RE: MAC Attendance- September
(09-23-2013 09:52 AM)wleakr Wrote:  
(09-22-2013 10:51 PM)Ubish Wrote:  
(09-22-2013 07:32 PM)LongtimeFan Wrote:  
(09-22-2013 03:28 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(09-22-2013 02:41 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  Stop lying to yourself. If EMU would have had 10,000 they would have had a huge celebration for breaking their single game attendance record.....Or perhaps they did and no one showed up.

Yep. With you on that one. Why would EMU understate their attendance. If anything, they over counted a few phantom fans. Every season its the same story.

I, too, was at the EMU game yesterday. I don't know what the total attendance was, but I feel safe in saying it appeared to be much closer to 10,000 than to 5,000. The tailgate lot looked to be nearly if not full, the atmosphere before and during the game was festive, and the EMU crowd was in to the game as much as could be expected, considering the Hurons were down by 21 by the end of the first quarter.

What happens with parking if EMU comes close to selling out a game. I've been to a few of the decently attended games and all of the nearby lots were full. Is parking allowed at the hospital?

I've never seen parking as an issue; until EMU actually gets to a point of selling out games, there is no reason to address parking lot overcrowding. There is a free shuttle that travels between the stadium and campus, but it doesn't run on weekends. The shuttle is geared toward the commuters that come in during the week to park in the Rynearson lot.
I am torn on how to respond to this post.

One one hand, I think it is an incredibly backwards way of thinking.
If interested fans show up and can't park, they may just decide attending the game isn't worth the trouble and go home.... So what could have been a sellout is another poor crowd. Worse, this bad experience encourages them to never consider going again since they can't even find anywhere to park. Then they tell all their friends who like community college football about their bad experience and BOOM, all those Ypsilanti CC fans stay home and attendance is in the gutter.

Now, if you are arguing there is no chance there are ever enough fans interested in attending a YCC game, so we shouldn't even bother worrying about the parking problem, I agree completely. However, I think this backwards thinking is something that should be avoided at other MAC schools where the consequences could be dire. If you get to the point where a program is losing fans over easily foreseeable problems, someone didn't do their job planning for the future.
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RE: MAC Attendance- September
(09-23-2013 11:59 AM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Bobcat Backer: Tell us the real scoop....what is Peden's official capacity and does it include lawn general admission seating? Despite claims to the contrary, I just gotta think you have to have seats for your defined stadium capacity. Otherwise, when the old "30K capacity" rule was in effect (so that you only had to then average 17K once every 4 years to maintain IA status), why would Miami and other schools have brought in all those temporary stands at great expense?

A) Bobcat Backer doesn't know. You have to count the seat which I've done.

B) Ohio never was in compliance with the 30,000 seat rule but the rule was changed (2004) before they were forced in compliance. Ohio made the 17,000 average component of the rule so actually wasn't forced to have to add the seats.

C) I've told you before that schools can list their capacities however they see fit and 24,000 is an approximate number for Peden not an actual seat count. It includes "victory hill" overflow seating but how much seating is that really when Ohio has crowds now of over 25,000.
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RE: MAC Attendance- September
Kitton: There was no requirement (contrary to popular opinion I think) that DIA programs had to once have (a decade or so ago) a 30K capacity stadium....what the rule actually said was that is you did have 30K seats, you only had to make the 17K average attendance requirement (that was then supposedly in effect but not really enforced) once every 4 years..if your stadium (like Peden's) was under 30K, you weren't out of compliance, but the rules read that you had to average 17K each and every year. As we all know now, many a school did not average the 17K and survived. In some instances, at unecessary expense schools expanded or found ways to get up to 30K seats (like Miami did with ridiculous metal bleachers stuck in the corners of the endzones) so they could then hit the 17K once every four years.

When that rule changed (to the now suppposedly in effect 15K a year), we pulled out those seats...for some schools, it was too late as they had unfortunately invested in expanding to 30K. I believe that was in the timeframe that Kelly Shorts and Rynearson were expanded permanently to 30K seats. With that rule out, Miami even reduced capacity when they renovated Yager and built new away stands and took out one endzone of bleacher seats in favor of the Cradle of Coach's plaza and new jumbotron. Much nicer.
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RE: MAC Attendance- September
I know the idea of a "Small Peden" may anger some Ohio fans, but that is reality of the stadium.

The solution is not to get angry, its to demand a stadium that has more seats. Peden is fine size for where Ohio's fanbase was 10 years ago but times change. For one, the school has 3,000 more students and winning has become an every year thing at Ohio.

If Ohio wants to be a program like Boise State regularly in the Top 25 its going to need a stadium that is more nationally competitive than one that can only go to 26,000 SRO. Its not just small nationally, its one of the smaller stadiums in the Mid American conference too.
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Wouldn't it be pretty easy to add 3,000 seats to Peden? All you need to administration agreement that it's needed and have a capital campaign to fund it...maybe one big shot will "cough up" a mil or something...it shouldn't cost that much to add 3,000 seats if that's the desired number. I would think 24K (if that is what Peden now actually seats) is probably fine 90% plus of the time.....and although it may be a nice goal to have a top 25 program out of the MAC, to think that with our limited resources you can have a "periennally" ranked team is probably a stretch. How many times has OU been ranked in the final polls, even during this nice run they've had the last 4-5 years?
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(09-23-2013 12:20 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Kitton: There was no requirement (contrary to popular opinion I think) that DIA programs had to once have (a decade or so ago) a 30K capacity stadium....what the rule actually said was that is you did have 30K seats, you only had to make the 17K average attendance requirement (that was then supposedly in effect but not really enforced) once every 4 years..if your stadium (like Peden's) was under 30K, you weren't out of compliance, but the rules read that you had to average 17K each and every year. As we all know now, many a school did not average the 17K and survived. In some instances, at unecessary expense schools expanded or found ways to get up to 30K seats (like Miami did with ridiculous metal bleachers stuck in the corners of the endzones) so they could then hit the 17K once every four years.

When that rule changed (to the now suppposedly in effect 15K a year), we pulled out those seats...for some schools, it was too late as they had unfortunately invested in expanding to 30K. I believe that was in the timeframe that Kelly Shorts and Rynearson were expanded permanently to 30K seats. With that rule out, Miami even reduced capacity when they renovated Yager and built new away stands and took out one endzone of bleacher seats in favor of the Cradle of Coach's plaza and new jumbotron. Much nicer.

A) Yes that is a correct depiction of the old attendance rule. Note that it was only on the books from 1990 to 2004 so capacity thinking prior to that didn't factor in 30k seating. It was a CUSA/SEC driven rule because they didn't want too many FCS programs moving up cutting into recruiting. Now the SEC's advantage is paved over by TV dollars so essentially they've eliminated competition but back then and before the days of APR standards they were concerned about new southern programs.

B) The Michigan MAC schools are the only ones that have permanent 30,000 capacities and mostly I think was driven by the 30k stadium waiver for attendance and the need to "keep up with the joneses" and not be viewed as inferior to the other directional michigan schools.

C) IMO, for the MAC 25,000 actual seats with the ability to put a 30,000 in the stadium is about the right size. EMU at 30,200 seats 35k SRO is too big and Peden at 21,000 seats 26k SRO is too small, especially with the quality program the school is running in Athens.
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(09-23-2013 12:22 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I know the idea of a "Small Peden" may anger some Ohio fans, but that is reality of the stadium.
Did you say 'small Peden"? There might be some Peden Envy around here. COGS
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(09-23-2013 11:48 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  
(09-23-2013 10:01 AM)shakermaker05 Wrote:  Love the numbers from Kent State! The last 3 losses in as many weeks have defintely deflated a lot of the hype surrounding the program outta the gate, but unless the weather is horrible for homecoming against NIU (in 2 weeks) we should be able to get close to our average to this point and keep the number up there.

And you should have some positive momentum going into that NIU game in 2 weeks... :-/

But you guys are favored by 3.
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I think you have to have one season where you end up in the top 25 before you can "regularly" be a top 25 team. The MAC has teams who have done that in the last 10 years: NIU, BG, Miami...
Ohio and KSU and EMU among others, aren't among them. Good to keep trying, though!
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(09-23-2013 12:29 PM)exCincy Kid Wrote:  Wouldn't it be pretty easy to add 3,000 seats to Peden? All you need to administration agreement that it's needed and have a capital campaign to fund it...maybe one big shot will "cough up" a mil or something...it shouldn't cost that much to add 3,000 seats if that's the desired number. I would think 24K (if that is what Peden now actually seats) is probably fine 90% plus of the time.....and although it may be a nice goal to have a top 25 program out of the MAC, to think that with our limited resources you can have a "periennally" ranked team is probably a stretch. How many times has OU been ranked in the final polls, even during this nice run they've had the last 4-5 years?

A) Ohio has votes in one of the major polls for 5 consecutive seasons. Basically Ohio's had a Top 40-50 program on the field for 5 seasons. Ohio's budget is over 30 million and in the range of program like Fresno State so I don't see a resource gap here. Interestingly the HC of Fresno was an assistant under Jim Grobe at Ohio and the Fresno State AD Tom Boeh was Ohio's AD when Grobe was coaching.

Tom Boeh while at Ohio thought that once the facilities and budget came into place that Ohio could be a regular Top 40 to Top 25 team and I think he was right on that prediction. Big time football has finally arrived in Athens after a gradual 15-20 year process.

B) Last season Ohio averaged 21,800 in a 21,000 seat stadium on a 6 game schedule. That to me says the capacity is "unacceptable" in the words of Chuck Landon. That was on a schedule where the best home opponents were New Mexico State and Akron, both games over 25k. Ohio has Cincinnati coming in a few years and wants to get BCS programs at home you really need a bigger stadium.

On the idea of 3,000 additional seats, I want to see it done ASAP but Ohio's administration (president and AD) has said no to more seats in Peden. I do kind of see it though because only 4-5 years ago Ohio was struggling to average 15,000 and Peden's capacity felt like an Ocean. That was before family packs and some of the new seating initiatives. The main reason I have posted the season ticket sales on here is I'm trying to see whether its time to expand Peden yet or not. I don't think season ticket sales (10,000ish) are quite there yet but with another year of price increases and growth in numbers its time to get serious about it.

I don't really care if its 3,000 seats, 6,000 seats, 9,000 seats and where they are placed. The stadium is undersized by MAC standards. Unacceptable.
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(09-23-2013 12:38 PM)axeme Wrote:  I think you have to have one season where you end up in the top 25 before you can "regularly" be a top 25 team. The MAC has teams who have done that in the last 10 years: NIU, BG, Miami...
Ohio and KSU and EMU among others, aren't among them. Good to keep trying, though!

Ohio has been regularly Top 40. The school wants to be a regular Top 25 program making BCS runs.

That is hard to do with a tiny Peden.......03-idea

If even MAC schools can use the fact you have a small stadium against you in recruiting battles, stadium size is definitely a problem.
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It's listed at 24K...I doubt MAC recruits really notice the difference in size between most MAC stadiums. With your new IPF and such, stadium capacity isn't that big a deal unless you simply just need more seats to accommodate your fans.

Most all MAC stadiums must look "high schoolish" to recruits that are at least "getting a sniff" of big time program interest. Still, in the smaller school category, (outside the power 5), there are a number of very nice MAC stadiums, in terms of size and appearance, which to me would be: UT (neat setting and impressive pressbox and luxury loges), CMU, WMU, Miami, Buffalo, and BSU (small but upscale). EMU is nice, too in terms of size but doesn't have a lot of "curb appeal". I guess when you force me to look at it that way Peden does comes off kind of badly...the stadium is kind of dis-jointed looking too with the end zone and corner stands not really matching up with the sideine stands.

Our stadium at Miami was that way when we had a curved concrete (newer section) home side and straight across steel bleachers brought over from the old stadium. Looked horrible but that was rectified with the renovations and new away side, new endzone, new Cradle and Coach's plaza and new turf. Now we need an IPA.
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(09-23-2013 12:49 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  A) Ohio has votes in one of the major polls for 5 consecutive seasons. Basically Ohio's had a Top 40-50 program on the field for 5 seasons.

That's a pretty good trick when Ohio's last 5 seasons have been:
2008--#120
2009--#88
2010--#104
2011--#68
2012--#75

..and this year #76. (courtesy of Sagarin)

While it's great that you are excited about your school's program over the last 5 years, the reality is that they have averaged being ranked #91. They are consistently ranked in the top 100! (3 out of 5 years is some kind of consistency, anyway.)

So a team that has never even been top 60 for any season is somehow a top 40-50 program? Magic!
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(09-23-2013 12:35 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  
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(09-23-2013 10:01 AM)shakermaker05 Wrote:  Love the numbers from Kent State! The last 3 losses in as many weeks have defintely deflated a lot of the hype surrounding the program outta the gate, but unless the weather is horrible for homecoming against NIU (in 2 weeks) we should be able to get close to our average to this point and keep the number up there.

And you should have some positive momentum going into that NIU game in 2 weeks... :-/

But you guys are favored by 3.

Trying to sucker the bettors. Three of our top remaining players are questionable for the Kent game.
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Three of your top players? How about Dri Archer, a banged up Rosie Nix, one of only two returning OL, DT and his backup and others. I think Archer alone trumps your injuries.
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I get it about Archer and your offensive woes but ours are much worse.

We lost a ton of guys before the season even began, one being last season's Freshman of the year. Our true freshman WR stud Davis is one that is questionable. Without him, we have no offense. The D knows that 90% of the passes will go to him. Our offense can't move the ball or score much at all. We've got a new HC obsessed with rowboats and stuff.

If your team can't beat the Broncos, they deserve to be mocked. Hard.
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