(09-24-2013 02:34 PM)indycat Wrote:  Surely Gran (and Tuberville) will surprise us and open up the playbook against USF. The final eight games represent now or never for that last ever BCS bid. USF is always a tough road game and will be a test once again.

Just give it time, before making judgements. Miami had two weeks to put together a gameplan against UC. They knew that what they were doing had not worked so far. So they came up with something completely different. We did not respond well to the change and didn't make the right adjustments. That kind of stuff happens every year. Even during the 12-0 year, we had games where the offense wasn't clicking, but we still won. Good teams will find a way to win those kinds of games, which we did.

The McKay play shows that he (McKay) has some work to do. If you're in a route and the ball is poorly thrown, you have to make adjustments and make sure that if you can't catch it, the defense can't get it either. That's what good receivers do.

After four weeks, I think we can feel confident that this team's strenth is the defense. There are still some things to work out, but they were just plain nasty on Saturday. I think that's a reflection of CTT. The statline from the game was amazing.

(09-24-2013 03:16 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 02:34 PM)indycat Wrote:  Surely Gran (and Tuberville) will surprise us and open up the playbook against USF. The final eight games represent now or never for that last ever BCS bid. USF is always a tough road game and will be a test once again.

The McKay play shows that he (McKay) has some work to do. If you're in a route and the ball is poorly thrown, you have to make adjustments and make sure that if you can't catch it, the defense can't get it either. That's what good receivers do.

Totally agree. Kay clearly underthrew it after waiting too long to throw (he was looking at the wheel route out of the backfield and totally missed McKay until he was way down field) but McKay was way too passive. He had his arms out like he was catching a punt in his breadbasket instead of going up and attacking the ball. A Binns or a Goodman goes up and snares it out of the air. McKay has some growing to do. I would say, as a whole, we don't seem to have any gamebreakers in our WR corps this year. A lot of solid guys, though, but I'm not seeing any difference-makers.

Heck, RDA4 used to be a playmaker before someone decidesd he was going to take up Bradly Glathaar's role.

(09-24-2013 10:20 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  UC was playing a defense that was ranked dead LAST in college football. They could not stop Marshall (lost 52-14). They could not stop UK (lost 41-7). Somehow they miraculously came up with a way to stop UC?

Yes - I expected UC to score more than 14 points against what was statistically the worst defense in college football.

Does that make me or anybody else that pointed out issues a doomsdayer?

No, but it makes me concerned about many things - the health of Kay, the offensive coordinator, the head coach, the o-line, the stupid penalties, identifying one strong RB to use, etc.

I think UC will be fine but to not have any concern at all and think everything is ok is a mistake.

Ok, well let's do this....I'm going to defer to Mopper's perspective since so far as I know neither you or I watched Miami's games. To simply point to box scores and prognosticate on supposed outcomes/ expectations is quite frankly silly. Do I do it? Why of course. I don't have the time to dedicate to proper due diligence to I make the same assumptions you seemingly have. Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps you watched and assessed the sorts of adjustments made by Miami and still deemed them to be inadequate. Correct me if I'm wrong but week to week adjustments can and do have the capability to affect outcomes. All that to say, there's no true carry over effect. You're going off of a cpl of data points. Miami's coaching staff gets paid to coach just as ours does. They made the sorts of moves that they felt would give them the best opportunity to contain us. Or did you expect them to just lay down b/c they have "statistically the worst D?!?" From the appearance of things they played to not lose big. Why is it so hard to give credit where it's due?

No, it doesn't make you a doomsdayer.

A singular game, or....giving benefit of doubt....4 games lead you to question TT? What are 4 games in context of his career? I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's a tad too soon for concern. Are you familiar with how TT coaches? He's not looking for blowouts, he's a pragmatist. I've lived in SEC country for the past 8.5 years and I vividly recall his days at Auburn. He's concerned with the W, not the style points that are the heart of many of the gripes (perhaps not you, but others.) The game was ugly, but never in doubt. Get the win, go home.



mc

(09-24-2013 05:47 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  [quote='bearcatfan' pid='9764160' dateline='1380036036']
UC was playing a defense that was ranked dead LAST in college football. They could not stop Marshall (lost 52-14). They could not stop UK (lost 41-7). Somehow they miraculously came up with a way to stop UC?

Yes - I expected UC to score more than 14 points against what was statistically the worst defense in college football.

Does that make me or anybody else that pointed out issues a doomsdayer?

No, but it makes me concerned about many things - the health of Kay, the offensive coordinator, the head coach, the o-line, the stupid penalties, identifying one strong RB to use, etc.

I think UC will be fine but to not have any concern at all and think everything is ok is a mistake.

Ok, well let's do this....I'm going to defer to Mopper's perspective since so far as I know neither you or I watched Miami's games. To simply point to box scores and prognosticate on supposed outcomes/ expectations is quite frankly silly. Do I do it? Why of course. I don't have the time to dedicate to proper due diligence to I make the same assumptions you seemingly have. Perhaps I'm wrong, perhaps you watched and assessed the sorts of adjustments made by Miami and still deemed them to be inadequate. Correct me if I'm wrong but week to week adjustments can and do have the capability to affect outcomes. All that to say, there's no true carry over effect. You're going off of a cpl of data points. Miami's coaching staff gets paid to coach just as ours does. They made the sorts of moves that they felt would give them the best opportunity to contain us. Or did you expect them to just lay down b/c they have "statistically the worst D?!?" From the appearance of things they played to not lose big. Why is it so hard to give credit where it's due?

No, it doesn't make you a doomsdayer.

A singular game, or....giving benefit of doubt....4 games lead you to question TT? What are 4 games in context of his career? I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's a tad too soon for concern. Are you familiar with how TT coaches? He's not looking for blowouts, he's a pragmatist. I've lived in SEC country for the past 8.5 years and I vividly recall his days at Auburn. He's concerned with the W, not the style points that are the heart of many of the gripes (perhaps not you, but others.) The game was ugly, but never in doubt. Get the win, go home.

Quote:I would contend that when the score is 0-0 with 5 min to go in the game, the outcome is in doubt. Anything could have happened, and without an assist from the refs on that scoring drive on a 4th down, who knows what happens.


mc

Not sure what I dis to my post, but re: marcuscan's comment abiut the game never being in doubt, I have to difer on that. When it is 0-0 with 5 min left, anything can happen, and it most certainly is in doubt. Heck, we needed an assist from the refs on a 4th down to keep the scoring drive going.

(09-24-2013 04:09 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 03:16 PM)Edgebrookjeff Wrote:  

(09-24-2013 02:34 PM)indycat Wrote:  Surely Gran (and Tuberville) will surprise us and open up the playbook against USF. The final eight games represent now or never for that last ever BCS bid. USF is always a tough road game and will be a test once again.

The McKay play shows that he (McKay) has some work to do. If you're in a route and the ball is poorly thrown, you have to make adjustments and make sure that if you can't catch it, the defense can't get it either. That's what good receivers do.

Totally agree. Kay clearly underthrew it after waiting too long to throw (he was looking at the wheel route out of the backfield and totally missed McKay until he was way down field) but McKay was way too passive. He had his arms out like he was catching a punt in his breadbasket instead of going up and attacking the ball. A Binns or a Goodman goes up and snares it out of the air. McKay has some growing to do. I would say, as a whole, we don't seem to have any gamebreakers in our WR corps this year. A lot of solid guys, though, but I'm not seeing any difference-makers.

Chisum (injured), Moore and McClung (injured) were probably our three leading returning receivers, and having injuries plus a sore-armed Kay at QB is affecting our passing game big time. Munchie was simply not a throwing QB and had a difficult time putting the ball where receivers could catch it in stride.

'85, Since your post is completely empty, you are obviously speechless

(09-24-2013 12:05 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  The doomsayer label is just a default by some for anything that is not company line/everything is swell.

Don't sweat it.

Rath I do not consider you a doomsayer.

However, I saw someone in the game thread start predicting losses to the likes of USF, UConn and SMU. I would call THAT a doomsayer.

I don't recall that but if someone were to predict that UC could lose at USF after how we have looked in our 2 road games thus far against bad teams, who am I to tell them they are wrong?

We will most likely be the underdog in the Rutgers and UofL games, but we "shouldn't" lose any other games. The only way we will lose is if we beat ourselves.

We lost to Illinois because they were better than expected and we didn't show up. Had we played to the level of our capabilities, we still might have lost, but it would have been a respectable game.

I still believe we're 9-3 (at worst) and 10-2 (at best). That will be a great start for CTT, get us into a respectable bowl game and set us up nicely for next year.

(09-25-2013 05:16 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I don't recall that but if someone were to predict that UC could lose at USF after how we have looked in our 2 road games thus far against bad teams, who am I to tell them they are wrong?

My good friend the South Florida grad says we would have to play poorly enough to lose to Cincinnati Country Day to lose to South Florida. He thinks Miami (OH) would take USF down hard.