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RE: LaTech (10) Kansas (13) FINAL
(09-22-2013 03:05 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  
(09-21-2013 09:44 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  I love Skip, I really do and I want to avoid having him piled upon after a loss... but what the posters said above is true. However, there's no reason to believe that he will not succeed in Ruston; I'm sure that he's learned a lot over the past few years.

La Tech will be just fine in the long run.

I don't know. I'm a little skeptical. With Holtz at ECU, I would find myself thinking that he does well with the players he has, but then wondering why it was that he didn't have better players. My read was that he underachieved on the recruiting trail but did a great job of getting everything he could out of his players. Really, I never thought a ton of him--just a pretty good coach.

I wouldn't predict that Skip will do poorly but I don't see him coming close to the success he had at ECU. He had A LOT more to work with at ECU in regard to resources. I'm also wondering how he will do recruiting given that I never thought he was a particularly good one and now he's in an unfamiliar area and has no idea how to recruit at a school like LT in SEC Country.

I was scratching my head over the hire. Given how successful LA Tech had with a young, fiery coach and a wide-open offense, it seemed strange that they'd go with a re-tread defensive coach. I hope it works out for them, though.

From what I have heard, our new president's main criteria was stability. He didn't want to hire someone that would leave after a couple of years. I think that is wrong headed. At our stage in our program development, I would rather have someone hungry come here who wants to win and move up because they are always trying to win right away. Bicknell hung around and drove the program right into the ground. We had finally begun to overcome that the last couple of years and I am concerned we are about to head back in the direction Bicknell took us.
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95, we are running a no huddle, up-tempo spread offense this year. We are not running the Power I or the triple option. Our struggles are with poor OL play, poor WR play, and poor QB play (and turnovers in the red zone and FG kicking). This offense reminds me a lot of the Dykes/Franklin offense in Year 1 and 2. (Yes, it took 3 years for Dykes to find an offense at Tech).
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RE: LaTech (10) Kansas (13) FINAL
(09-22-2013 01:00 PM)LATech95 Wrote:  
(09-22-2013 03:05 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  
(09-21-2013 09:44 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  I love Skip, I really do and I want to avoid having him piled upon after a loss... but what the posters said above is true. However, there's no reason to believe that he will not succeed in Ruston; I'm sure that he's learned a lot over the past few years.

La Tech will be just fine in the long run.

I don't know. I'm a little skeptical. With Holtz at ECU, I would find myself thinking that he does well with the players he has, but then wondering why it was that he didn't have better players. My read was that he underachieved on the recruiting trail but did a great job of getting everything he could out of his players. Really, I never thought a ton of him--just a pretty good coach.

I wouldn't predict that Skip will do poorly but I don't see him coming close to the success he had at ECU. He had A LOT more to work with at ECU in regard to resources. I'm also wondering how he will do recruiting given that I never thought he was a particularly good one and now he's in an unfamiliar area and has no idea how to recruit at a school like LT in SEC Country.

I was scratching my head over the hire. Given how successful LA Tech had with a young, fiery coach and a wide-open offense, it seemed strange that they'd go with a re-tread defensive coach. I hope it works out for them, though.

From what I have heard, our new president's main criteria was stability. He didn't want to hire someone that would leave after a couple of years. I think that is wrong headed. At our stage in our program development, I would rather have someone hungry come here who wants to win and move up because they are always trying to win right away. Bicknell hung around and drove the program right into the ground. We had finally begun to overcome that the last couple of years and I am concerned we are about to head back in the direction Bicknell took us.

So he picked Holtz? 03-lmfao
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RE: LaTech (10) Kansas (13) FINAL
Tough loss.

I think the La Tech/North Texas game will be a barn-burner no matter what both school's records are before that Game Day.

Just my .02 on the subject.


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(09-22-2013 01:04 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  95, we are running a no huddle, up-tempo spread offense this year. We are not running the Power I or the triple option. Our struggles are with poor OL play, poor WR play, and poor QB play (and turnovers in the red zone and FG kicking). This offense reminds me a lot of the Dykes/Franklin offense in Year 1 and 2. (Yes, it took 3 years for Dykes to find an offense at Tech).

I am not saying up tempo spread. I am saying pass the ball down the field. Throwing the bubble screens worked yesterday, but not everyone is as bad as Kansas. We run up the middle 2/3rds of the time or the little screens etc. I am talking about throwing the ball down field. This offense reminds me more of the OC Conroy Hines offense of the early to mid-2000s. Flash some talent and lots of frustratingly close losses. Player struggles are exasperating but not sure that long term I like our style of play. But I will celebrate every win we get and support the team no matter what. Just have a bad feeling about what I am seeing because I've seen this movie before and it did not end well.
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(09-22-2013 01:40 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  
(09-22-2013 01:00 PM)LATech95 Wrote:  
(09-22-2013 03:05 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  
(09-21-2013 09:44 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  I love Skip, I really do and I want to avoid having him piled upon after a loss... but what the posters said above is true. However, there's no reason to believe that he will not succeed in Ruston; I'm sure that he's learned a lot over the past few years.

La Tech will be just fine in the long run.

I don't know. I'm a little skeptical. With Holtz at ECU, I would find myself thinking that he does well with the players he has, but then wondering why it was that he didn't have better players. My read was that he underachieved on the recruiting trail but did a great job of getting everything he could out of his players. Really, I never thought a ton of him--just a pretty good coach.

I wouldn't predict that Skip will do poorly but I don't see him coming close to the success he had at ECU. He had A LOT more to work with at ECU in regard to resources. I'm also wondering how he will do recruiting given that I never thought he was a particularly good one and now he's in an unfamiliar area and has no idea how to recruit at a school like LT in SEC Country.

I was scratching my head over the hire. Given how successful LA Tech had with a young, fiery coach and a wide-open offense, it seemed strange that they'd go with a re-tread defensive coach. I hope it works out for them, though.

From what I have heard, our new president's main criteria was stability. He didn't want to hire someone that would leave after a couple of years. I think that is wrong headed. At our stage in our program development, I would rather have someone hungry come here who wants to win and move up because they are always trying to win right away. Bicknell hung around and drove the program right into the ground. We had finally begun to overcome that the last couple of years and I am concerned we are about to head back in the direction Bicknell took us.

So he picked Holtz? 03-lmfao

Right. 01-lauramac2 It is also the fourth coach in a row whose dad was a college coaching legend. Not sure what's up with that.
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RE: LaTech (10) Kansas (13) FINAL
(09-22-2013 01:53 PM)LATech95 Wrote:  
(09-22-2013 01:04 PM)T_Won1 Wrote:  95, we are running a no huddle, up-tempo spread offense this year. We are not running the Power I or the triple option. Our struggles are with poor OL play, poor WR play, and poor QB play (and turnovers in the red zone and FG kicking). This offense reminds me a lot of the Dykes/Franklin offense in Year 1 and 2. (Yes, it took 3 years for Dykes to find an offense at Tech).

I am not saying up tempo spread. I am saying pass the ball down the field. Throwing the bubble screens worked yesterday, but not everyone is as bad as Kansas. We run up the middle 2/3rds of the time or the little screens etc. I am talking about throwing the ball down field. This offense reminds me more of the OC Conroy Hines offense of the early to mid-2000s. Flash some talent and lots of frustratingly close losses. Player struggles are exasperating but not sure that long term I like our style of play. But I will celebrate every win we get and support the team no matter what. Just have a bad feeling about what I am seeing because I've seen this movie before and it did not end well.

This thread is such a broken record.

"Pass the ball down field"
"The QB is inexperienced."

"Pass the ball in the middle."
"The line can't block well enough."

[Take a narrow viewpoint and relate the current to the past - Bicknell, Williams, etc]
[Take a narrow viewpoint and relate the current to the current past - Dooley & Dykes]

Why do you guys have to be so egocentric and try to point to our own past or the near past of our coach (see USC and UCONN) to justify our current position? It's very simple. The team is young, we have a weak schedule, and we are in a dogfight every week because our D is our strength and we have no run OR pass protection. It's really easy to see what we SHOULD do, but that doesn't mean that we always can. I do not expect a RS Frosh to make a middle of the field throw, 3 reads into his progression, with 2 defenders in his face; and you shouldn't either. Holtz had 3 crappy years at an upstart school in the only state with a more ludicrous amount of universities than Louisiana, and he's only had 3 games in Ruston. So please, stop crying Bicknell before we even have a change to be INelligible for a bowl in his first year.
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(09-22-2013 01:40 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  
(09-22-2013 01:00 PM)LATech95 Wrote:  
(09-22-2013 03:05 AM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  
(09-21-2013 09:44 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  I love Skip, I really do and I want to avoid having him piled upon after a loss... but what the posters said above is true. However, there's no reason to believe that he will not succeed in Ruston; I'm sure that he's learned a lot over the past few years.

La Tech will be just fine in the long run.

I don't know. I'm a little skeptical. With Holtz at ECU, I would find myself thinking that he does well with the players he has, but then wondering why it was that he didn't have better players. My read was that he underachieved on the recruiting trail but did a great job of getting everything he could out of his players. Really, I never thought a ton of him--just a pretty good coach.

I wouldn't predict that Skip will do poorly but I don't see him coming close to the success he had at ECU. He had A LOT more to work with at ECU in regard to resources. I'm also wondering how he will do recruiting given that I never thought he was a particularly good one and now he's in an unfamiliar area and has no idea how to recruit at a school like LT in SEC Country.

I was scratching my head over the hire. Given how successful LA Tech had with a young, fiery coach and a wide-open offense, it seemed strange that they'd go with a re-tread defensive coach. I hope it works out for them, though.

From what I have heard, our new president's main criteria was stability. He didn't want to hire someone that would leave after a couple of years. I think that is wrong headed. At our stage in our program development, I would rather have someone hungry come here who wants to win and move up because they are always trying to win right away. Bicknell hung around and drove the program right into the ground. We had finally begun to overcome that the last couple of years and I am concerned we are about to head back in the direction Bicknell took us.

So he picked Holtz? 03-lmfao

lol you read my mind.
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RE: LaTech (10) Kansas (13) FINAL
Holtz has a lot to prove at Tech. Is he the promising coach from ECU or the failure from USF? Schools are going to want to give him a few years before they are comfortable hiring him. But when they are comfortable, he's gone of course.
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