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(09-19-2013 10:08 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:35 AM)Monarch Maniac 10 Wrote:  Yet again, this thread has gone off-track.

Unfortunately, that is going to happen when all the other threads are about color schemes and props.

+1
I was beginning to think I was at VCU Art School.

(09-19-2013 10:08 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:35 AM)Monarch Maniac 10 Wrote:  Yet again, this thread has gone off-track.

Unfortunately, that is going to happen when all the other threads are about color schemes and props.

So the best thing to do is to derail an actually sports themed thread to rant on about the exact same thing that's been said about 30 quadrillion times.

Enough. We get it. You don't like Jeff Jones. Stop bringing it up in every thread. There are threads that's topic is to discuss Jeff Jones, so read that again if you must. None of the arguments have changed.

(09-19-2013 09:30 AM)EverydayInVA Wrote:  Who was ODU going to get?

I just find it odd that you act like nobody would have wanted to coach here? You are right that we couldn't get a big name in coaching but I don't think anyone on these boards asked for a big name. We wanted someone young, energetic, hungry, coaches an exciting brand of basketball, etc. We got Jeff Jones.

As much as it pains me to say this, the roadmap was clearly presented to us in VCU. They have successfully identified and hired some of the premier assistant coaches in the country. Guys that nobody had really heard of. It worked for VCU and it worked great for ODU Football.

I think Jones will be an excellent X's and O's coach. I just agree with Razor that he was the wrong hire. I hope I am wrong.

Folks, watch the personal attacks. Made a very small edit to a few posts to eliminate one.

And please keep this thread on 2014 recruits.

Cheers.

(09-19-2013 11:16 AM)odufansam Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:30 AM)EverydayInVA Wrote:  You're such a tool. Who was ODU going to get?

I just find it odd that you act like nobody would have wanted to coach here? You are right that we couldn't get a big name in coaching but I don't think anyone on these boards asked for a big name. We wanted someone young, energetic, hungry, coaches an exciting brand of basketball, etc. We got Jeff Jones.

As much as it pains me to say this, the roadmap was clearly presented to us in VCU. They have successfully identified and hired some of the premier assistant coaches in the country. Guys that nobody had really heard of. It worked for VCU and it worked great for ODU Football.

I think Jones will be an excellent X's and O's coach. I just agree with Razor that he was the wrong hire. I hope I am wrong.

Hell no not Mike Rhoades again.

(09-19-2013 11:09 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  BT started out recruiting 3* players and tried to compete with the ACC and all the other big boys. We all know how little success he had overall. I'm guessing part of his lack of success had to do with the style of play he coached. Not many kids are into D first and foremost. Maybe Jones will have a little better luck. Remains to be seen.
Rebuilding will take time, lots of it. I've said all along Jones will be modestly successful. So, in the early years (after he gets over this year) I look for him to start having success and lots of fans saying "I told you so". But remenmber, there is no way to go but up right now. How good a coach Jones is won't really be known til somewher around years 5-7. By then he should have reestablished the program and had some recruiting success. If his trajectory stalls and we see a pattern of up and down years as has been his pattern, then we'll know what kind of a coach he is. My guess- good enough to not fire, not good enough to be noticed by any other schools and hired. My fear is we're stuck for the forseeable future with a modestly successful program.

I can understand those concerns, but there is one dynamic that I think is missing. Moderate success would mean at least fairly regular trips to the NCAA tournament. We have all seen what kind of transformation can occur for a program when it makes a deep run into the tournament. If JJ could get a couple of three star recruits, and some unheralded role players, I believe he has the coaching chops to orechestrate such a run. He certainly has more big game HC success than BT. Will it happen? I can't say, but that is my hope. Once a program does break through, it opens up a ton of recruiting possibilities, and can propel it to a maintainably higher level.

We didn't have the Ted till we had Blaine. BT could of had a few 3* but wanted to go a different direction.

Kah with the new NCAA rules could be cleared to come in by the second semister this year.

(09-19-2013 11:58 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  no one else at ODU has been able to bring in 3* recruits, which tells me maybe there's something about the school that just doesn't appeal. Maybe conference. Maybe location and environment. I don't know the answer and I'm just speculating. I hope the guy does well because I miss seeing successful basketball.

Not talking long-term, but at least for the BT era. I always assumed it was the lack of NBA players ODU has produced. I'd imagine that would scare off any player who thinks he has a shot.

(09-19-2013 12:21 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 11:58 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  no one else at ODU has been able to bring in 3* recruits, which tells me maybe there's something about the school that just doesn't appeal. Maybe conference. Maybe location and environment. I don't know the answer and I'm just speculating. I hope the guy does well because I miss seeing successful basketball.

Not talking long-term, but at least for the BT era. I always assumed it was the lack of NBA players ODU has produced. I'd imagine that would scare off any player who thinks he has a shot.

and (somewhat realted) we're not on TV very much. maybe 1-2 espn games a year.

That's probably more than "somewhat" related.

(09-19-2013 01:23 PM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 12:21 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 11:58 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  no one else at ODU has been able to bring in 3* recruits, which tells me maybe there's something about the school that just doesn't appeal. Maybe conference. Maybe location and environment. I don't know the answer and I'm just speculating. I hope the guy does well because I miss seeing successful basketball.

Not talking long-term, but at least for the BT era. I always assumed it was the lack of NBA players ODU has produced. I'd imagine that would scare off any player who thinks he has a shot.

and (somewhat realted) we're not on TV very much. maybe 1-2 espn games a year.

Hopefully that will change in CUSA, but early indications are that we will not be on TV much...

There are still some open slots available on Fox Sports 2 and the regional networks, but CUSA got 0 games on Fox Sports 1 for basketball.

But the tv stuff will change if teams can make runs into the tourney. With all the realignment if cusa can get a few teams to go deep maybe tv schedule will change. Vcuu wasn't shown often either.

Question....what positive step forward has JJ made since being hired ODU's Head Coach? What has he done to try and right a sinking ship?

(09-20-2013 10:46 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  Question....what positive step forward has JJ made since being hired ODU's Head Coach? What has he done to try and right a sinking ship?

Well, he salvaged our 2013 recruiting class (save one) and has gone after higher quality recruits. He landed a few transfers that will help sooner or later, and has landed a quality 2014 recruit.

I guess a better question might be, "what should he have done?". Sans landing a 4* big man, what could JJ have done so far to silence the criticism?

Like the hire or not, he hasn't had time to do too much.

(09-20-2013 10:46 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  Question....what positive step forward has JJ made since being hired ODU's Head Coach? What has he done to try and right a sinking ship?

(09-20-2013 10:46 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  Question....what positive step forward has JJ made since being hired ODU's Head Coach? What has he done to try and right a sinking ship?

Hired what appears to be a pretty good team of assistant coaches.
Firmed up 2013 recruits--Taylor in particular.
Bringing in a Juco that may help.
Bringing in A. Carver in 2015.
Who knows what is going on in recruiting, there seems to be good effort.

What would you suggest should be done?

If that's a serious question (you never know around here) . . . First, I wouldn't classify the ODU basketball program as a sinking ship. The ship has sunk, it's at the bottom of the sea. Don't know how else you can see a team coming off a 5-win season in which an alcoholic coach was fired as anything other than sunk. I don't know that anyone can answer your question because the most important thing he could do would be to bring in good players to fill in the team's many roster holes and get us back on the winning track. The verdict on that is still out on that and will be for some time. . .

Question for you: What kind of step would you like to hear about? isn't it all really about selling ODU to recruits and putting a better product on the court? Doesn't everything else fall in place from that?

(09-20-2013 11:13 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  If that's a serious question (you never know around here) . . . First, I wouldn't classify the ODU basketball program as a sinking ship. The ship has sunk, it's at the bottom of the sea. Don't know how else you can see a team coming off a 5-win season in which an alcoholic coach was fired as anything other than sunk. I don't know that anyone can answer your question because the most important thing he could do would be to bring in good players to fill in the team's many roster holes and get us back on the winning track. The verdict on that is still out on that and will be for some time. . .

Question for you: What kind of step would you like to hear about? isn't it all really about selling ODU to recruits and putting a better product on the court? Doesn't everything else fall in place from that?

An accurate description of the problem which will not be solved by a 53 year old has been coach who plays a style that is alien to the modern player.

(09-20-2013 10:56 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 10:46 AM)BigBlueBobby Wrote:  Question....what positive step forward has JJ made since being hired ODU's Head Coach? What has he done to try and right a sinking ship?

Well, he salvaged our 2013 recruiting class (save one) and has gone after higher quality recruits. He landed a few transfers that will help sooner or later, and has landed a quality 2014 recruit.

I guess a better question might be, "what should he have done?". Sans landing a 4* big man, what could JJ have done so far to silence the criticism?

Like the hire or not, he hasn't had time to do too much.

Oh man....he landed a transfer from Christopher Newport and saved one player in our recruiting class.

(And don't give him credit for freeman, jones had little to do with that).

He's landed zero 2014 recruits......

He's had nearly half a year. The excuse making is going to reach Blaine Taylor proportions before we're done it seems.

(09-20-2013 11:42 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 11:13 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  If that's a serious question (you never know around here) . . . First, I wouldn't classify the ODU basketball program as a sinking ship. The ship has sunk, it's at the bottom of the sea. Don't know how else you can see a team coming off a 5-win season in which an alcoholic coach was fired as anything other than sunk. I don't know that anyone can answer your question because the most important thing he could do would be to bring in good players to fill in the team's many roster holes and get us back on the winning track. The verdict on that is still out on that and will be for some time. . .

Question for you: What kind of step would you like to hear about? isn't it all really about selling ODU to recruits and putting a better product on the court? Doesn't everything else fall in place from that?

An accurate description of the problem which will not be solved by a 53 year old has been coach who plays a style that is alien to the modern player.

Bingo. And that's the point some of us have been making all along.

For all intents and purposes, Jeff jones is Blaine Taylor. Boring brand of basketball, questionable past, old white guy.

Look at the coaches who were getting it done at a mid major level. Brad Stevens, Shaka smart, Andy enfield, dr. Brett Reed.

Exciting young coaches, exciting styles (well maybe Stevens style isn't exciting but it's effective).

This is what today's young players want to play in. Not Jeff jones brand of basketball. Anyone who thinks he's magically going to start landing big recruits is more deluded than the poor souls who defended Blaine Taylor until he drunk himself out of town.

The ship is sunk......but we hired an anchor instead of a life raft to pull us out of the wreckage.

Enjoy it, I'll be watching football.