UT under investigation? And, just a matter of time before the big schools start paying them to play - to hell with getting a degree or not?


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college...&eref=sihp

This mentality is exactly why I dont really like that level of NCAA sports. The false entitlement is amazing

the other two guys who came out recently and said they were paid while at UT were post Fulmer.. but I believe Foster's coach was Phil.. and Phil is our guy now.... if this becomes a big deal, we might be glad we didn't hire him as coach!!!!

At the University of Florida, what is the Family, Youth & Community Sciences major?

(09-21-2013 05:16 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  At the University of Florida, what is the Family, Youth & Community Sciences major?

Ok, to answer my own question:

https://catalog.ufl.edu/ugrad/current/ag...ences.aspx

(09-20-2013 02:01 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  This mentality is exactly why I dont really like that level of NCAA sports. The false entitlement is amazing

If paid, then let them pay their tuition, room, and board or they don't get the privie of attending class.

Better yet, cut the big 64 loose then maybe the NC$$ can return to the NCAA.

(09-21-2013 08:57 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:01 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  This mentality is exactly why I dont really like that level of NCAA sports. The false entitlement is amazing

If paid, then let them pay their tuition, room, and board or they don't get the privie of attending class.

Better yet, cut the big 64 loose then maybe the NC$$ can return to the NCAA.

The Big 64 probably will depart or become independent of the others. Perhaps then then they can remove "student" from the student/athlete concept and just hire players, saving the universities academic monies supporting these "keeping them eligible" majors.

(09-22-2013 08:17 AM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(09-21-2013 08:57 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:01 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  This mentality is exactly why I dont really like that level of NCAA sports. The false entitlement is amazing

If paid, then let them pay their tuition, room, and board or they don't get the privie of attending class.

Better yet, cut the big 64 loose then maybe the NC$$ can return to the NCAA.

The Big 64 probably will depart or become independent of the others. Perhaps then then they can remove "student" from the student/athlete concept and just hire players, saving the universities academic monies supporting these "keeping them eligible" majors.

Absolutely agree. Then if a few of them want to attend class there would be no scholarship, they would have to pay like every other student.

I heard an interesting point made by Jay Bilas regarding the top conferences breaking off. He said he thought the only thing that would stop it would be the tax exempt status. They currently have tax exempt status, and would have to reapply for it if they broke off into their own thing, and it would be impossible to justify giving them tax exempt status after they just departed the NCAA so they could pay players.

(09-21-2013 08:57 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:01 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  This mentality is exactly why I dont really like that level of NCAA sports. The false entitlement is amazing

If paid, then let them pay their tuition, room, and board or they don't get the privie of attending class.

Better yet, cut the big 64 loose then maybe the NC$$ can return to the NCAA.

If paid equal to what they are responsible for generating, no college football or basketball player would need a scholarship, or their room and board paid for.

Starting next year, the NCAA will generate $1.2 BILLION (with a b) dollars purely off TV revenue for the NCAA tournament and the college football playoff.

As for not appreciating a free education, why is there an assumption that because players want to be compensated for services rendered, they don't appreciate their scholarship? Do graduate assistants and teaching assistants not appreciate their scholarships because they expect to be paid a stipend? And unlike college football and basketball players, most TA's and GA's aren't responsible for generating a dime for their colleges and universities.

College athletics has become a billion dollar business. The NCAA is fighting hard to ensure that players aren't viewed as employees but that is EXACTLY what they are.

This type of stuff is rampant across the NCAA; some schools get caught, others don't, but that doesn't mean those other schools aren't doing the same things. I can't really fault the players for taking an extra $500 or more under the table from boosters or coaches. Some of these kids probably haven't seen $500 in their lives. I never had $500 in my bank account at any one point during college, and I came from a well-off middle class family.

The whole of the NCAA system is a farce. Players who go to schools like Alabama or Georgia get basket-weaving degrees because they're at school solely for their professional development as athletes. The NCAA insists they not get money in any way, shape, or form for anything - even stuff unrelated to their athletic careers - while making billions of dollars off the backs of said athletes. In much of the rest of the world, there are no athletic scholarships at universities, and professional teams and leagues sponsor their own youth development systems, so the kids who want the education can get it, and the kids who want to be pro athletes can do that without the extra pressures of college. The Olympics have a system where athletes can be compensated for use of their image, but not during the season and not for their on-field performance. Either setup would be a huge step up from the mess that exists now.

(09-22-2013 12:09 PM)BucNut22 Wrote:  

(09-21-2013 08:57 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-20-2013 02:01 PM)etsubuc Wrote:  This mentality is exactly why I dont really like that level of NCAA sports. The false entitlement is amazing

If paid, then let them pay their tuition, room, and board or they don't get the privie of attending class.

Better yet, cut the big 64 loose then maybe the NC$$ can return to the NCAA.

If paid equal to what they are responsible for generating, no college football or basketball player would need a scholarship, or their room and board paid for.

Starting next year, the NCAA will generate $1.2 BILLION (with a b) dollars purely off TV revenue for the NCAA tournament and the college football playoff.

As for not appreciating a free education, why is there an assumption that because players want to be compensated for services rendered, they don't appreciate their scholarship? Do graduate assistants and teaching assistants not appreciate their scholarships because they expect to be paid a stipend? And unlike college football and basketball players, most TA's and GA's aren't responsible for generating a dime for their colleges and universities.

College athletics has become a billion dollar business. The NCAA is fighting hard to ensure that players aren't viewed as employees but that is EXACTLY what they are.

Since the NFL will not draft a player until he has been out of high school for at least three years, the NFL contributes greatly to this college billion dollar business. Has this three-years-out-of-high school rule been tested in court?

There is absolutely no reason to take an NFL age policy to court. These kids have no "right" to go into a professional field of their choice straight out of high school. Just like any other employer, the NFL has the right to make rules regarding its employment.

(09-22-2013 12:09 PM)BucNut22 Wrote:  And unlike college football and basketball players, most TA's and GA's aren't responsible for generating a dime for their colleges and universities.

Oh for the uninformed. Yes GAs and TAs do generate revenue for their colleges and universities. Every person sitting in a section they are working in is paying tuition. If not filled by a GA/TA then a full-time faculty member would be needed and costs would increase. Cost savings and revenue generation are both parts of the attractiveness of using GA/TA in the education system.

Yes it's been tested twice and twice the courts have upheld it. The last was a joint suit with USC wr Mike Williams and Ohio st. Running back Maurice Clarrett.
It's a form of age discrimination but the NFL also has a safety issue. 18 year olds aren't developed physically for the NFL, he'll they're not ready for college ball typically.
As for taco gate, this fumbling clown gets a full ride, priority registration, gym access, healthcare, personal trainers and nutrition experts. Pre and post game meals, travel per diems and don't get me started on the free stuff they get for bowl appearances. Oh and btw did I mention since he came from a low income background he got Pell Grant money and could take out student loans?
It pisses me off to hear it out of someone like him. He gets a free education, a million dollar nfl contract, contacts to help with life AFTER football as well as retirement money from the nfl once he's vested. He gets none of this without Tennessee or the NCAA.
If they want paid, then fine. They'll need to file taxes and PAY on EVERY pair of shoes, shirt, jacket, warm up or other freebie they get including the workout facility. They'll also need to pay their own tuition and no priority registration. They'll need a copay for the healthcare too and if they're injured during practice or a game, the player should submit a MANDATORY urinalasys, after all getting hurt on the job is workers comp. You fail the test, workers comp doesn't pay and you get FIRED.
They'll beg for the current system...

(09-22-2013 07:22 PM)BucDoctor Wrote:  

(09-22-2013 12:09 PM)BucNut22 Wrote:  And unlike college football and basketball players, most TA's and GA's aren't responsible for generating a dime for their colleges and universities.

Oh for the uninformed. Yes GAs and TAs do generate revenue for their colleges and universities. Every person sitting in a section they are working in is paying tuition. If not filled by a GA/TA then a full-time faculty member would be needed and costs would increase. Cost savings and revenue generation are both parts of the attractiveness of using GA/TA in the education system.

Matter settled. Excellent clarification! To add on, the actual revenue can be precisely calculated--unlike with NCAA football revenue per individual player, where only an average could be offered. Were players to be paid, we'd open Pandora's box as far as proper compensation.

To Buccaneerlover above: brilliant post! If all is in the name of fairness, then submit any paid NCAA player to the full scrutiny and expectations of university professionals. More from Pandora's box! I would continue to advocate the expectation of fulltime attendance and satisfactory academic progress. In fact, I would add contract provisions docking pay for failure to meet academic standards.

(09-23-2013 01:06 PM)shampoo Wrote:  To Buccaneerlover above: brilliant post! If all is in the name of fairness, then submit any paid NCAA player to the full scrutiny and expectations of university professionals. More from Pandora's box! I would continue to advocate the expectation of fulltime attendance and satisfactory academic progress. In fact, I would add contract provisions docking pay for failure to meet academic standards.

Other questions no one wants to talk about...would the players be benefit eligible? would they qualify for state retirement benefits if they were a 5 year player and perhaps met the vesting time requirement? under what employee status would they fall (full time, temporary full time, temporary part time, etc.) would they qualify for health insurance benefits under the Affordable Care Act?

Could these football players unionize in states that are not right to work states?

Again, it is a bad idea and my suggestion is to dismiss the Big 64 from the NC$$ for all sports, and let the rest of us get on with student athlete based programs.

(09-23-2013 09:28 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Yes it's been tested twice and twice the courts have upheld it. The last was a joint suit with USC wr Mike Williams and Ohio st. Running back Maurice Clarrett.
It's a form of age discrimination but the NFL also has a safety issue. 18 year olds aren't developed physically for the NFL, he'll they're not ready for college ball typically.
As for taco gate, this fumbling clown gets a full ride, priority registration, gym access, healthcare, personal trainers and nutrition experts. Pre and post game meals, travel per diems and don't get me started on the free stuff they get for bowl appearances. Oh and btw did I mention since he came from a low income background he got Pell Grant money and could take out student loans?
It pisses me off to hear it out of someone like him. He gets a free education, a million dollar nfl contract, contacts to help with life AFTER football as well as retirement money from the nfl once he's vested. He gets none of this without Tennessee or the NCAA.
If they want paid, then fine. They'll need to file taxes and PAY on EVERY pair of shoes, shirt, jacket, warm up or other freebie they get including the workout facility. They'll also need to pay their own tuition and no priority registration. They'll need a copay for the healthcare too and if they're injured during practice or a game, the player should submit a MANDATORY urinalasys, after all getting hurt on the job is workers comp. You fail the test, workers comp doesn't pay and you get FIRED.
They'll beg for the current system...

How dare you come at an argument with facts and logical thinking! There is so much intellegence and common sense in that post that it might just break the internet. I'm so sick of our "entitled society".

+1,000,000,000,000

(09-22-2013 12:38 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  This type of stuff is rampant across the NCAA; some schools get caught, others don't, but that doesn't mean those other schools aren't doing the same things. I can't really fault the players for taking an extra $500 or more under the table from boosters or coaches. Some of these kids probably haven't seen $500 in their lives. I never had $500 in my bank account at any one point during college, and I came from a well-off middle class family.

The whole of the NCAA system is a farce. Players who go to schools like Alabama or Georgia get basket-weaving degrees because they're at school solely for their professional development as athletes. The NCAA insists they not get money in any way, shape, or form for anything - even stuff unrelated to their athletic careers - while making billions of dollars off the backs of said athletes. In much of the rest of the world, there are no athletic scholarships at universities, and professional teams and leagues sponsor their own youth development systems, so the kids who want the education can get it, and the kids who want to be pro athletes can do that without the extra pressures of college. The Olympics have a system where athletes can be compensated for use of their image, but not during the season and not for their on-field performance. Either setup would be a huge step up from the mess that exists now.

Some do get basket weaving degrees. That's their decision. For every Cordarelle Patterson out there I can match you with a group of Colquitts, Bartholomews, Reveizs, and a fumbling taco guy named Arian Foster. There are some steretypes that flounder around and use it for a springboard at that level, there are also those that get their education, they go to the large research universities in the midwest, play football and get a degree.
The system isn't broken, the people running it and playing within it are.
Again, with the kids that come in from dirt poor backgrounds, most qualify for need based aid on top of the full ride that includes a MEAL PLAN. They just have to be cool and have an iphone, Xbox and 1000 dollar suits and live off campus instead of doing what they have to do to get an education. It's pure and simple priorities.