So I was thinking about this:

I dont know of another FBS league with top notch basketball that doesnt have FBS football that is at least respected. Can the very high quality basketball aspect of a league elevate the football status in the long run?

I think so. But it will need some actual football accomplishments to come with it too.

for reference:

Old Big East - basketball powerhouse - decent football.
ACC - basketball focused - decent football.
Big10 - excells in bball as of lately- respected in football.

Big12 - no bueno bball, respected football.
Pac12 - eh bball - good football.
SEC - decent bball (as a whole) - great football.

side note: does the "big east" now fade away in relevance to an a-10 conference level? I think so. They are not in the conversation as much, and I think the AAC is really stealing some of their thunder. The fox move certainly didn't help.

Even if the MWC is a strong contender for the 6th spot in the BCS line-up, I think the AAC benifits in the long run, and becomes the favorite most years. I'm happy to hear y'alls take on it though! Don't come at me all crazy like though, haha.

The Big Ten hasn't won a basketball title since 2000 (but yeah are on an upswing),
and over the last 42 plus years they have 2 football titles, OSU.

The 1997 football season was a split title Nebraska/Michigan.

ACC picked up Cuse, Pitt, ND and defending champ Louisville, that is strong on bball.
Big 12 is not bad in bball. The PAC has been poor for many years in bball.
The Big East has good programs, of which I think Marquette and GTown are the best of that group.

And not just focused on the football side, the Big 12 could use a good BBall program like Cincinnati.
Cronin and his are staff are continuing to recruit really well.

(09-18-2013 04:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  The Big Ten hasn't won a basketball title since 2000 (but yeah are on an upswing),
and over the last 42 plus years they have 2 football titles, OSU.

The 1997 football season was a split title Nebraska/Michigan.

ACC picked up Cuse, Pitt, ND and defending champ Louisville, that is strong on bball.
Big 12 is not bad in bball. The PAC has been poor for many years in bball.
The Big East has good programs, of which I think Marquette and GTown are the best of that group.

So you think Yes? the positive bball aides in elevating the league - a synergy that can rub off in football?

or no..?

SEC poor b-ball... The SEC has won 3 of the last 8 men's championships and the SEC women have a dynasty in Tennessee. It can easily be argued that the SEC has the two dynasties of college basketball over the long term in the Kentucky men and Tennessee women.

Big 10 - excells (sic) in bball... The Big 10 has not won a men's championship since Michigan State in 2000 and 10 overall, which is 1 less than the SEC's 11 total. Purdue won the women's championship in 1999, which is the Big 10's only women's championship in the 30+ year history of the tournament. The SEC women hold 8 championships.

(09-18-2013 04:50 PM)SMUfrat Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 04:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  The Big Ten hasn't won a basketball title since 2000 (but yeah are on an upswing),
and over the last 42 plus years they have 2 football titles, OSU.

The 1997 football season was a split title Nebraska/Michigan.

ACC picked up Cuse, Pitt, ND and defending champ Louisville, that is strong on bball.
Big 12 is not bad in bball. The PAC has been poor for many years in bball.
The Big East has good programs, of which I think Marquette and GTown are the best of that group.

So you think Yes? the positive bball aides in elevating the league - a synergy that can rub off in football?

or no..?

Possible yes, but I think you can park Basketball in any conference and have a good program. Kansas could join the MWC and they are still going
to be really good. Cincinnati, Memphis, Marquette, Louisville have been all over the map conference affiliation wise and successful in all of the places.

(09-18-2013 04:52 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  SEC poor b-ball... The SEC has won 3 of the last 8 men's championships and the SEC women have a dynasty in Tennessee. It can easily be argued that the SEC has the two dynasties of college basketball over the long term in the Kentucky men and Tennessee women.

Big 10 - excells (sic) in bball... The Big 10 has not won a men's championship since Michigan State in 2000 and 10 overall, which is 1 less than the SEC's 11 total. Purdue won the women's championship in 1999, which is the Big 10's only women's championship in the 30+ year history of the tournament. The SEC women hold 8 championships.

made some adjustments to original post. TY

(09-18-2013 04:52 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  SEC poor b-ball... The SEC has won 3 of the last 8 men's championships and the SEC women have a dynasty in Tennessee. It can easily be argued that the SEC has the two dynasties of college basketball over the long term in the Kentucky men and Tennessee women.

Big 10 - excells (sic) in bball... The Big 10 has not won a men's championship since Michigan State in 2000 and 10 overall, which is 1 less than the SEC's 11 total. Purdue won the women's championship in 1999, which is the Big 10's only women's championship in the 30+ year history of the tournament. The SEC women hold 8 championships.

Overall the I would give an edge to the Big Ten top to bottom right now. But yeah UK and Florida have been really good. BIG has had a couple teams make it to the title game recently, OSU and last year Michigan.

i think the question is better worded as; will the name recognition of elite basketball teams/conference rub off on rest of the fanbase a la Duke, UNC, Kansas? will they watch the football team because the basketball team/conference is good? Will BBall rivalry's transfer to other sports?

I would argue that successful football programs lead to successful basketball programs far more often than successful basketball programs leading to successful football programs. Actually I'd say the same for all sports. Football drives the bus in more ways than just money.

I'm sorry but the SEC is NOT a good BBall league. They have two great teams and then a bunch of chumps. SCar? Auburn? UGA? A&M? Ark? Miss St? Bama?

Also the Big East having almost every game on national TV will not fall off. We're bringing in a high level of talent despite NOT being on ESPN. Seems a lot of recruits like the idea of not playing second fiddle to FB on campus and being in major cities.

(09-18-2013 08:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Also the Big East having almost every game on national TV will not fall off.

So under that logic, the AAC with all of its games with television coverage its programs should not fall off (or actually improve too), right?

(09-18-2013 08:36 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Also the Big East having almost every game on national TV will not fall off.

So under that logic, the AAC with all of its games with television coverage its programs should not fall off (or actually improve too), right?

The AAC is a different beast . For half the league things will be better, for the other half things will be worse.

If you follow recruiting the current Big East teams are bringing in high caliber talent post split. They also will be on FS1 which will be in many more homes than CBSSN or ESPNU.

yes the SEC has 3 past natty's but that was by the only 2 programs capable of making the tourny on a semi-regular basis.

they are bad BB if anything, i have a hard time calling a 12/14 team league thats put only 3, 4, 5, 4, 3 teams in the tourny the last 5 years

as for the old big east, wvu, pitt, bc, syracuse were all well established football schools before they became established BB schools. if anything FB made their bb programs. as for uconn & the rest thats pretty tough.

uconn basketball probably helped propel uconn football, but uconn football is barely sustainable at this point and umass was able to field an FBS program without having an all star bb program to lean on. the interesting thing about uconn though is that they are the only clear cut top 10 bb program thats not in a power conference

gtown, if anything their bb hurts the fb program as they are too BB orientated imo.

this is a stupid thread if you ask me cuz FB was an established money maker long before basketball ever was. so obviously FB was the sport that defined most of these schools

(09-18-2013 08:48 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:36 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Also the Big East having almost every game on national TV will not fall off.

So under that logic, the AAC with all of its games with television coverage its programs should not fall off (or actually improve too), right?

The AAC is a different beast . For half the league things will be better, for the other half things will be worse.

If you follow recruiting the current Big East teams are bringing in high caliber talent post split. They also will be on FS1 which will be in many more homes than CBSSN or ESPNU.

lmao

(09-18-2013 08:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:48 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:36 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Also the Big East having almost every game on national TV will not fall off.

So under that logic, the AAC with all of its games with television coverage its programs should not fall off (or actually improve too), right?

The AAC is a different beast . For half the league things will be better, for the other half things will be worse.

If you follow recruiting the current Big East teams are bringing in high caliber talent post split. They also will be on FS1 which will be in many more homes than CBSSN or ESPNU.

lmao

And Cincinnati just beat out 1/2 of the Big East and 1/2 of the ACC for
2 recruits in bball. The Catholic schools have to make more final fours and
win a title every now and then and the have not done that.

Looking at 247sports' current best basketball recruiting classes.

Big East in Top 25

4. Georgetown
13. Providence
15. Villanova
17. Marquette
19. Seton Hall

American in Top 25

N/A
(Cincinnati is highest at 30)
(SMU and UConn are at 37 and 38, each with one 5* recruit)

(09-18-2013 08:48 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:36 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Also the Big East having almost every game on national TV will not fall off.

So under that logic, the AAC with all of its games with television coverage its programs should not fall off (or actually improve too), right?

The AAC is a different beast . For half the league things will be better, for the other half things will be worse.

If you follow recruiting the current Big East teams are bringing in high caliber talent post split. They also will be on FS1 which will be in many more homes than CBSSN or ESPNU.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but aren't all of the AAC bball games going to be nationally televised? Most on ESPN? I'm not completely sure.

I do not think the top teams in the AAC will take a recruiting hit once we are established. The bottom half are already recruiting better than in CUSA days.

(09-18-2013 09:52 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:48 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:36 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Also the Big East having almost every game on national TV will not fall off.

So under that logic, the AAC with all of its games with television coverage its programs should not fall off (or actually improve too), right?

The AAC is a different beast . For half the league things will be better, for the other half things will be worse.

If you follow recruiting the current Big East teams are bringing in high caliber talent post split. They also will be on FS1 which will be in many more homes than CBSSN or ESPNU.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but aren't all of the AAC bball games going to be nationally televised? Most on ESPN? I'm not completely sure.

I do not think the top teams in the AAC will take a recruiting hit once we are established. The bottom half are already recruiting better than in CUSA days.

Few on actual ESPN most on the satellite networks and CBSSN.

(09-18-2013 09:34 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  Looking at 247sports' current best basketball recruiting classes.

Big East in Top 25

4. Georgetown
13. Providence
15. Villanova
17. Marquette
19. Seton Hall

American in Top 25

N/A
(Cincinnati is highest at 30)
(SMU and UConn are at 37 and 38, each with one 5* recruit)

Not to mention St. John's is about to pull in SG Isaiah Whitehead with his announcement tomorrow (#12 player overall). Seton Hall is also a finalist but im calling it early. My poll is in* and calling it a win for the Johnnies!

*No double entendres intended but noticed and duly laughed at.

EDIT- Isaiah Whiteheads mom said “I don’t think New York City kids realize it’s a big time-program and a great school. I look at it as a big-time school. It’s a privilege to play at St. Johns.”

http://nypost.com/2013/09/18/whitehead-c...ommitment/

(09-18-2013 05:56 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  I would argue that successful football programs lead to successful basketball programs far more often than successful basketball programs leading to successful football programs. Actually I'd say the same for all sports. Football drives the bus in more ways than just money.

Arizona? Michigan State? North Carolina??