(09-19-2013 01:03 PM)indydoug Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:48 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:36 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Also the Big East having almost every game on national TV will not fall off.

So under that logic, the AAC with all of its games with television coverage its programs should not fall off (or actually improve too), right?

The AAC is a different beast . For half the league things will be better, for the other half things will be worse.

If you follow recruiting the current Big East teams are bringing in high caliber talent post split. They also will be on FS1 which will be in many more homes than CBSSN or ESPNU.

Can't the same be said of the "new" BE? That is, 7 of the 10 are undeniably worse off (Trading Uconn, UC, SU, Pitt, ND,Lou., Rut, USF for XU Butler & Creighton)?

IMO that's going to hurt the Big East programs in the long run. They no longer get free advertisement during football season, since the Big East no longer sponsors it, and without the big name football schools, it won't be long before the Big East becomes indistinguishable from the A10...

The loss of Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, UofL, UC, et al is huge, and the effect on the bottom line will be in due time...

(09-19-2013 01:33 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:03 PM)indydoug Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:48 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:36 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Also the Big East having almost every game on national TV will not fall off.

So under that logic, the AAC with all of its games with television coverage its programs should not fall off (or actually improve too), right?

The AAC is a different beast . For half the league things will be better, for the other half things will be worse.

If you follow recruiting the current Big East teams are bringing in high caliber talent post split. They also will be on FS1 which will be in many more homes than CBSSN or ESPNU.

Can't the same be said of the "new" BE? That is, 7 of the 10 are undeniably worse off (Trading Uconn, UC, SU, Pitt, ND,Lou., Rut, USF for XU Butler & Creighton)?

IMO that's going to hurt the Big East programs in the long run. They no longer get free advertisement during football season, since the Big East no longer sponsors it, and without the big name football schools, it won't be long before the Big East becomes indistinguishable from the A10...

The loss of Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, UofL, UC, et al is huge, and the effect on the bottom line will be in due time...

Come on bit, you as well as anyone should know just how little the big east was ever mentioned on espn during football season. Most times it was negative if they even brought us up at all. Now we will have fix advertising our games during the nfl season. They even set up a presuperbowl double header at msg they will promote the chit out of. SJU vs Marq then GTown vs Mich St.

More people watch NFL than CFB.

Truth be told as long as Mick & Co are locking in very good recruiting classes that is all I care about.
2013 was very good and we will finish off this class with another 4 star guy that is deciding between Cincy
and Michigan. Over on the AAC board UCF has pulled in 2 Top 70 guys. SMU is recruiting really well also.

But we all know this does not always equate to winning. Rick Barnes has a roster full of McD AA's
and his team has been a bit of train wreck.

(09-19-2013 09:10 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:00 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 08:36 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  yes the SEC has 3 past natty's but that was by the only 2 programs capable of making the tourny on a semi-regular basis.

they are bad BB if anything, i have a hard time calling a 12/14 team league thats put only 3, 4, 5, 4, 3 teams in the tourny the last 5 years

as for the old big east, wvu, pitt, bc, syracuse were all well established football schools before they became established BB schools. if anything FB made their bb programs. as for uconn & the rest thats pretty tough.

uconn basketball probably helped propel uconn football, but uconn football is barely sustainable at this point and umass was able to field an FBS program without having an all star bb program to lean on. the interesting thing about uconn though is that they are the only clear cut top 10 bb program thats not in a power conference

gtown, if anything their bb hurts the fb program as they are too BB orientated imo.

this is a stupid thread if you ask me cuz FB was an established money maker long before basketball ever was. so obviously FB was the sport that defined most of these schools

john, you clearly don't know much about WVU sports. WVU's basketball team won the 1942 NIT, but the post season tournament champion wasn't recognized as a national champion back then. However, if WVU wanted to, we could claim a fictional national championship, like many other schools do. But WWII gave the nation something other than sports to focus upon...

WVU's 1942 NIT championship predates most of the success of the football team. Basketball was WVU's premier sport until the 1960s, when the football team began to take priority, due to the greater revenue stream provided by football, and the lack of success in basketball after Rod Thorn's graduation...

WVU started out as a basketball school, until football took the top spot among Mountaineer fans. So in that respect, West Virginians were way ahead of the national trend, predating it by several decades...

dude, syracuse has helms from the 1920s. but yet i still think of syracuse being a FB school first. wvu is like 14th all time wins in football, so obviously football has been around at wvu for some time. plus bowl games & a 38k seat stadium from before 1942 as well

That does not change the fact that WVU started out as a basketball school...

BTW, calling Syracuse a football school is ludicrous. Syracuse has larger crowds for basketball in the dome than they do for football, and the basketball program at SU generates a ton of income. Syracuse has always been a basketball program, even when the football program was doing well...

cuseroc will back me up on this...

Sorry Bit, but I cant back you on this one. SU has had far greater success on the bb court these last 10 years than on the football field, but the 15 years before that the success of its two biggest revenue generators were on equal grounds, in fact, some would say that the fb program was better than the bb program. WV is the 14th all time fb program, but guess which program sits at #15? WV just recently past SU up during the Greg Robinson era. Does that sound like a basketball school? SU is neither a basketball school nor a fb school but places emphasis on both sports. The all time rankings for both fb and bb backs me up on this as SU is highly ranked above most other programs in both sports.

SU does not generate larger crowds for bb than it does for fb, not even close. This is a fallacy. SU fb has an average attendance that is more than 16,000 per game larger than its basketball average attendance. But it is the national leader in basketball attendance after Kentucky.

(09-19-2013 01:43 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:33 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:03 PM)indydoug Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:48 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:36 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  So under that logic, the AAC with all of its games with television coverage its programs should not fall off (or actually improve too), right?

The AAC is a different beast . For half the league things will be better, for the other half things will be worse.

If you follow recruiting the current Big East teams are bringing in high caliber talent post split. They also will be on FS1 which will be in many more homes than CBSSN or ESPNU.

Can't the same be said of the "new" BE? That is, 7 of the 10 are undeniably worse off (Trading Uconn, UC, SU, Pitt, ND,Lou., Rut, USF for XU Butler & Creighton)?

IMO that's going to hurt the Big East programs in the long run. They no longer get free advertisement during football season, since the Big East no longer sponsors it, and without the big name football schools, it won't be long before the Big East becomes indistinguishable from the A10...

The loss of Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, UofL, UC, et al is huge, and the effect on the bottom line will be in due time...

Come on bit, you as well as anyone should know just how little the big east was ever mentioned on espn during football season. Most times it was negative if they even brought us up at all. Now we will have fix advertising our games during the nfl season. They even set up a presuperbowl double header at msg they will promote the chit out of. SJU vs Marq then GTown vs Mich St.

More people watch NFL than CFB.

Even negative publicity during football season kept the Big East name in the public eye. They'd talk about how bad the football was (a myth perpetrated by ESPiN and picked up by the rest of the media when the facts proved otherwise), and how great the basketball was. Big East basketball was discussed during football season, as a contrast to the conference's efforts in football. You can't replace that, and never will...

BTW, in NYC more people watch the NBA than the Big East. So what's your point about the NFL? Nobody in NYC gives a damn about college sports, unless they're extremely odd. That apathy will eventually hit the Big East, and nobody in NYC will care one bit, except for a few St. John's students...

(09-19-2013 01:55 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:10 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 09:00 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 08:36 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:  yes the SEC has 3 past natty's but that was by the only 2 programs capable of making the tourny on a semi-regular basis.

they are bad BB if anything, i have a hard time calling a 12/14 team league thats put only 3, 4, 5, 4, 3 teams in the tourny the last 5 years

as for the old big east, wvu, pitt, bc, syracuse were all well established football schools before they became established BB schools. if anything FB made their bb programs. as for uconn & the rest thats pretty tough.

uconn basketball probably helped propel uconn football, but uconn football is barely sustainable at this point and umass was able to field an FBS program without having an all star bb program to lean on. the interesting thing about uconn though is that they are the only clear cut top 10 bb program thats not in a power conference

gtown, if anything their bb hurts the fb program as they are too BB orientated imo.

this is a stupid thread if you ask me cuz FB was an established money maker long before basketball ever was. so obviously FB was the sport that defined most of these schools

john, you clearly don't know much about WVU sports. WVU's basketball team won the 1942 NIT, but the post season tournament champion wasn't recognized as a national champion back then. However, if WVU wanted to, we could claim a fictional national championship, like many other schools do. But WWII gave the nation something other than sports to focus upon...

WVU's 1942 NIT championship predates most of the success of the football team. Basketball was WVU's premier sport until the 1960s, when the football team began to take priority, due to the greater revenue stream provided by football, and the lack of success in basketball after Rod Thorn's graduation...

WVU started out as a basketball school, until football took the top spot among Mountaineer fans. So in that respect, West Virginians were way ahead of the national trend, predating it by several decades...

dude, syracuse has helms from the 1920s. but yet i still think of syracuse being a FB school first. wvu is like 14th all time wins in football, so obviously football has been around at wvu for some time. plus bowl games & a 38k seat stadium from before 1942 as well

That does not change the fact that WVU started out as a basketball school...

BTW, calling Syracuse a football school is ludicrous. Syracuse has larger crowds for basketball in the dome than they do for football, and the basketball program at SU generates a ton of income. Syracuse has always been a basketball program, even when the football program was doing well...

cuseroc will back me up on this...

Sorry Bit, but I cant back you on this one. SU has had far greater success on the bb court these last 10 years than on the football field, but the 15 years before that the success of its two biggest revenue generators were on equal grounds, in fact, some would say that the fb program was better than the bb program. WV is the 14th all time fb program, but guess which program sits at #15? WV just recently past SU up during the Greg Robinson era. Does that sound like a basketball school? SU is neither a basketball school nor a fb school but places emphasis on both sports. The all time rankings for both fb and bb backs me up on this as SU is highly ranked above most other programs in both sports.

SU does not generate larger crowds for bb than it does for fb, not even close. This is a fallacy. SU fb has an average attendance that is more than 16,000 per game larger than its basketball average attendance. But it is the national leader in basketball attendance after Kentucky.

thank cuseroc. the only reason why i didnt respond to that was because i wanted to see your take on the question.

(09-19-2013 01:33 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 01:03 PM)indydoug Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:48 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:36 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:26 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Also the Big East having almost every game on national TV will not fall off.

So under that logic, the AAC with all of its games with television coverage its programs should not fall off (or actually improve too), right?

The AAC is a different beast . For half the league things will be better, for the other half things will be worse.

If you follow recruiting the current Big East teams are bringing in high caliber talent post split. They also will be on FS1 which will be in many more homes than CBSSN or ESPNU.

Can't the same be said of the "new" BE? That is, 7 of the 10 are undeniably worse off (Trading Uconn, UC, SU, Pitt, ND,Lou., Rut, USF for XU Butler & Creighton)?

IMO that's going to hurt the Big East programs in the long run. They no longer get free advertisement during football season, since the Big East no longer sponsors it, and without the big name football schools, it won't be long before the Big East becomes indistinguishable from the A10...

The loss of Syracuse, Pitt, WVU, UofL, UC, et al is huge, and the effect on the bottom line will be in due time...

This is how I tend to see it. There are so many basketball teams/conferences that compete at the highest level of the sport that a lot of teams get mixed in the shuffle. The BE basketball schools had a real advantage being associated with a football conferences that was seen in the top half of the FBS.

Not sure how many people watched A10 bball, but I'd assume if the best of their old teams were basketball members to a football AQ conference they would have had a big advantage over the other basketball schools too.

(09-19-2013 01:03 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-19-2013 10:08 AM)Carolina Stang Wrote:  There's also a huge difference in a sig line and an entire page of moving Colbert captions that take up most of the screen.

dude, get a grip on your sig plz

i like it cuz i can find my posts easier. a lot of other's sigs annoy me so i just decided "if you cant beat em, join em"

The sig is pretty funny. Making it move from left to right will make it nicer to scroll past.

Like this:

thx for that crush

People, c'mon...
This has been discussed a million times:

Football did absolutely nothing to build the Big East name. The Big East was built by Georgetown, St John's, Villanova and Syracuse. Providence made a Final Four. Seton Hall came 10 seconds from a National Title. Connecticut won 2 of their 3 National Titles while still playing lower division football. BC made an Elite-8 in '82 (that's it!) before the term "Elite-8" was even coined. Pitt never advanced far at all in the early years.

West Virginia basketball hadn't advanced to even the Sweet-16 from 1963 thru 1998, 3 years after joining Big East Hoops. Miami was on par with Florida International in hoops when they joined us in 1992. Notre Dame hadn't made a NCAA tourney in the previous 5 years before joining us in hoops.

Big East basketball owns college hoops in Metro New York. It owns hoops in the Northeast Corridor, all 50 million of us. We're in the largest cities in the Midwest, except for Detroit. We added a school in Omaha that has 15,000 season tickets holders. We signed a $50 million a year contract with Fox Sports. We're going to have 100 games on FS1 this season, including around 80 regular season games... in HD... in primetime... in 90 million homes... on the station that shows Pac-12 and Big-12 football... whose network will be televising the Super Bowl... we have our Big East Tournament locked into Madison Square Garden for 12 more years at least... we already have at least 14 Top-100 2014 recruits committed to Big East schools... we even have Seton Hall literally today for crying out loud locking up yet another Top 100 recruit (EDIT--> actually Top 15 recruit) out of Metro New York... Seton Hall...!

Look-- naysayers have been writing the Big East's obituary since 1979... from the ACC loudmouths (both back then and today) to Billy Tubbs to Billy Packer to the morons on ESPN... I mean, there are Syracuse and Pitt fans on this site that lived through all of that just like I did-- can any Orangemen or Panther fans seriously say that football built the Big East...??? maybe instead of wishing us harm, football people on this board could at least give us a "tip o' the hat" (sorry, subconsciously I have Steven Colbert in my head from reading this board) and a good luck thumbs up... thanks in advance...!

EDIT-->
here's an idea, at a minimum, you could at least say to us:
"I completely freaking hate the 10 parasite scumbag schools in the Big East with a psychotic passion... I freakin hope the Big East blows... I hope FS1 is boring and that the ACC moves out of Greensboro... but I do respect that you've put together a solid, respectable conference for yourselves in the short time since last December..."
Can any of you agree with that statement...?

you could at least give us a "tip o' the hat" (sorry, subconsciously I have Steven Colbert in my head from reading this board) and a good luck thumbs up... thanks in advance...!

LOL

(dont worry it's not gonna be like that for much longer)

(09-19-2013 03:52 PM)billyjack Wrote:  People, c'mon...
maybe instead of wishing us harm, football people on this board could at least give us a "tip o' the hat" (sorry, subconsciously I have Steven Colbert in my head from reading this board) and a good luck thumbs up... thanks in advance...!

Didn't mean to wish y'all any harm. Just thought maybe the AAC teams could use their conference's former prestige to their advantage.... The C7 always turned their noses up at us, so I can't exactly say I want them to thrive either. In my perfect scenario I'd like to see us build off of the remains of the old big east and for the new teams to land recruits they wouldn't have normally landed.

EDIT-->
here's an idea, at a minimum, you could at least say to us:
"I completely freaking hate the 10 parasite scumbag schools in the Big East with a psychotic passion... I freakin hope the Big East blows... I hope FS1 is boring and that the ACC moves out of Greensboro... but I do respect that you've put together a solid, respectable conference for yourselves in the short time since last December..."
Can any of you agree with that statement...?

everything except the underlined part

(09-19-2013 04:06 PM)john01992 Wrote:  EDIT-->
here's an idea, at a minimum, you could at least say to us:
"I completely freaking hate the 10 parasite scumbag schools in the Big East with a psychotic passion... I freakin hope the Big East blows... I hope FS1 is boring and that the ACC moves out of Greensboro... but I do respect that you've put together a solid, respectable conference for yourselves in the short time since last December..."
Can any of you agree with that statement...?

everything except the underlined part

I hope the ACC stays in Greensboro so y'all can grow to hate it as much as we do.