(09-18-2013 08:03 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Durning was a fine strength coach (although by all accounts our new guy that replaced him is better, or at least has produced better results all across the board). But again, you can't be serious in suggesting Durning has some insight to JMU's game day prep, or influence the 49ers planning for that matter.

Again, Durning is a fine strength coach, but strength coaches don't typically participate in chalk-talks, film sessions and game planning with the HC and his principle assistants. Durning's knowledge of MM will be a negligible influence.

I'm with olddawg...this game shouldn't be close, and it will reveal much about this year's edition of the Dukes.

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I'm thinking 27-17 good guys!!! Run oriented offense for the game. Birdsong stays in the pocket (10-15/168 yds) and only has 5 runs himself. DQ gets 32 carries for 156 yds. Back-up RBs get 122 total ... 7 penalties for 68 yds ....

JMU 35
Charlotte 13

38-10 Dukes.

(09-18-2013 08:03 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 11:13 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  I always pick Dukes except for FBS games. This could be a trap game. Their coaches know Mickey very well. Their head coach has coach with MM on several occasions. That might work well with us also. But two of the Assistants were with MM during his tenure here , one being the strength and conditioning coach Durning.

A trap game? For who? JMU vs. Delaware? You can not be serious.

Also, Durning was a fine strength coach (although by all accounts our new guy that replaced him is better, or at least has produced better results all across the board). But again, you can't be serious in suggesting Durning has some insight to JMU's game day prep, or influence the 49ers planning for that matter.

Again, Durning is a fine strength coach, but strength coaches don't typically participate in chalk-talks, film sessions and game planning with the HC and his principle assistants. Durning's knowledge of MM will be a negligible influence.

I'm with olddawg...this game shouldn't be close, and it will reveal much about this year's edition of the Dukes.

First off Durning has placed about 8 guys from JMU in the NFL. I won't go saying this new guy is better because I don't think so. He hasnt even been here to see a recruiting class come in and graduate. We have better talent now because of what Durning established. Durning played under MM , and is at every staff meeting , and every practice and every recruiting meeting.

You realize the strength coach spends more time with the players then any other coach by far. He knows how he likes to recruit and what plays he loves to run. Hope you don't think he stays I. The weight room and just minds his business.

(09-18-2013 02:58 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:03 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 11:13 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  I always pick Dukes except for FBS games. This could be a trap game. Their coaches know Mickey very well. Their head coach has coach with MM on several occasions. That might work well with us also. But two of the Assistants were with MM during his tenure here , one being the strength and conditioning coach Durning.

A trap game? For who? JMU vs. Delaware? You can not be serious.

Also, Durning was a fine strength coach (although by all accounts our new guy that replaced him is better, or at least has produced better results all across the board). But again, you can't be serious in suggesting Durning has some insight to JMU's game day prep, or influence the 49ers planning for that matter.

Again, Durning is a fine strength coach, but strength coaches don't typically participate in chalk-talks, film sessions and game planning with the HC and his principle assistants. Durning's knowledge of MM will be a negligible influence.

I'm with olddawg...this game shouldn't be close, and it will reveal much about this year's edition of the Dukes.

First off Durning has placed about 8 guys from JMU in the NFL. I won't go saying this new guy is better because I don't think so. He hasnt even been here to see a recruiting class come in and graduate. We have better talent now because of what Durning established. Durning played under MM , and is at every staff meeting , and every practice and every recruiting meeting.

You realize the strength coach spends more time with the players then any other coach by far. He knows how he likes to recruit and what plays he loves to run. Hope you don't think he stays I. The weight room and just minds his business.

Jordan and Moats used to come back to train with Durden too. He is a good coach.

(09-18-2013 03:01 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 02:58 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 08:03 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 11:13 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  I always pick Dukes except for FBS games. This could be a trap game. Their coaches know Mickey very well. Their head coach has coach with MM on several occasions. That might work well with us also. But two of the Assistants were with MM during his tenure here , one being the strength and conditioning coach Durning.

A trap game? For who? JMU vs. Delaware? You can not be serious.

Also, Durning was a fine strength coach (although by all accounts our new guy that replaced him is better, or at least has produced better results all across the board). But again, you can't be serious in suggesting Durning has some insight to JMU's game day prep, or influence the 49ers planning for that matter.

Again, Durning is a fine strength coach, but strength coaches don't typically participate in chalk-talks, film sessions and game planning with the HC and his principle assistants. Durning's knowledge of MM will be a negligible influence.

I'm with olddawg...this game shouldn't be close, and it will reveal much about this year's edition of the Dukes.

First off Durning has placed about 8 guys from JMU in the NFL. I won't go saying this new guy is better because I don't think so. He hasnt even been here to see a recruiting class come in and graduate. We have better talent now because of what Durning established. Durning played under MM , and is at every staff meeting , and every practice and every recruiting meeting.

You realize the strength coach spends more time with the players then any other coach by far. He knows how he likes to recruit and what plays he loves to run. Hope you don't think he stays I. The weight room and just minds his business.

Jordan and Moats used to come back to train with Durden too. He is a good coach.

Earl Watford went to NC to train with him before draft .

Durning was also very active during the games on the sidelines. Not exactly sure what his responsibilities were on game day but he definitely wasn't standing around.

(09-18-2013 02:58 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  First off Durning has placed about 8 guys from JMU in the NFL. I won't go saying this new guy is better because I don't think so. He hasnt even been here to see a recruiting class come in and graduate. We have better talent now because of what Durning established. Durning played under MM , and is at every staff meeting , and every practice and every recruiting meeting.

You realize the strength coach spends more time with the players then any other coach by far. He knows how he likes to recruit and what plays he loves to run. Hope you don't think he stays I. The weight room and just minds his business.

You're entitled to your opinion about Durning, and for the most part we agree. As I stated, he's a fine coach, but MM has repeatedly said that this year's team is bigger and stronger, and that didn't happen under Durning's watch. Also, Durning was not at EVERY staff meeting...so go blow that smoke somewhere else.

Again, Durning was a fine coach at JMU, and I'm sure he'll do well at Charlotte. Yet, if the HC at Charlotte is dumb enough to take game planning advice from a strength coach he won't be a HC for long.

Good points were made that this is their first away game and easily the largest crowd they've ever played in front of.

Revised score
Dukes: 38
UNCCC: 17

(09-18-2013 03:35 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 02:58 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  First off Durning has placed about 8 guys from JMU in the NFL. I won't go saying this new guy is better because I don't think so. He hasnt even been here to see a recruiting class come in and graduate. We have better talent now because of what Durning established. Durning played under MM , and is at every staff meeting , and every practice and every recruiting meeting.

You realize the strength coach spends more time with the players then any other coach by far. He knows how he likes to recruit and what plays he loves to run. Hope you don't think he stays I. The weight room and just minds his business.

You're entitled to your opinion about Durning, and for the most part we agree. As I stated, he's a fine coach, but MM has repeatedly said that this year's team is bigger and stronger, and that didn't happen under Durning's watch. Also, Durning was not at EVERY staff meeting...so go blow that smoke somewhere else.

Again, Durning was a fine coach at JMU, and I'm sure he'll do well at Charlotte. Yet, if the HC at Charlotte is dumb enough to take game planning advice from a strength coach he won't be a HC for long.

You realize MM says that just about every year. And they are recruiting better talent then when Durning was here. Also staff meetings are different then gameplan, and offensive and defensive meetings. He is part of the JMU football staff meetings. How else would MM know the improvements of the strength program? Or who attends training and who is late?

And If you don't know Durning personally then I don't know how you can speak on his knowledge about football. Durning has been to every game , every practice and knew most of the recruits on this team from 1999-2011, to say his insight won't be helpful is an understatement.

(09-17-2013 11:13 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  I always pick Dukes except for FBS games. This could be a trap game. Their coaches know Mickey very well. Their head coach has coach with MM on several occasions. That might work well with us also. But two of the Assistants were with MM during his tenure here , one being the strength and conditioning coach Durning.

Guys don't forgot Hofstra beat JMU back in 2009 because Coach Beach had the inside information on JMU.

(09-18-2013 02:58 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  First off Durning has placed about 8 guys from JMU in the NFL......We have better talent now because of what Durning established. ......

Durning was a good guy (although I didn't agree when he started charging players to train in between last season and draft) and probably much more involved then most FCS strength coaches. But he will have NO impact in this game and you are giving him WAY too much credit.

(09-18-2013 04:44 PM)DoubleDogDare Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 11:13 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  I always pick Dukes except for FBS games. This could be a trap game. Their coaches know Mickey very well. Their head coach has coach with MM on several occasions. That might work well with us also. But two of the Assistants were with MM during his tenure here , one being the strength and conditioning coach Durning.

Guys don't forgot Hofstra beat JMU back in 2009 because Coach Beach had the inside information on JMU.

(09-18-2013 02:58 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  First off Durning has placed about 8 guys from JMU in the NFL......We have better talent now because of what Durning established. ......

Durning was a good guy (although I didn't agree when he started charging players to train in between last season and draft) and probably much more involved then most FCS strength coaches. But he will have NO impact in this game and you are giving him WAY too much credit.

Durning never charged , that was the strength coach that is there now. I think the backlash made him stop that. I never said a major impact , but there is a difference when you watch players practice everyday then just watching the film from game days. Only reason I say he has insight is because he was here recently. Some inside information is better than no inside information at all.

And knowing Durning he prolly won't give any and they probable know not to ask him.

(09-18-2013 04:47 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Durning never charged , that was the strength coach that is there now. I think the backlash made him stop that. I never said a major impact , but there is a difference when you watch players practice everyday then just watching the film from game days. Only reason I say he has insight is because he was here recently. Some inside information is better than no inside information at all.

And knowing Durning he prolly won't give any and they probable know not to ask him.

Thanks for that correction. I guess I'll go back to thinking he is a great guy.

I agree he has more intimate knowledge of players than what other coaches from UNCC will get from just watching film. But I don't think that intimate knowledge provides any additional benefit. Watch our first three game films and you have everything you need to know. I cannot think of 1 thing he could tell UNCC that gives them an advantage that is not revealed on film. He might be able to get the knowledge quicker, but nothing additional.

My opinion is that practice is a place where you learn what players can do and can't do. Coaches find out more about a player in practice then they do in games. Knowing what players can't do is always a benefit . Scouting games coordinators are not going to put their players in positions to fail.
Now practice , players are put thru every possible position for evaluation. My point is having that inside knowledge could hurt. Nothing major , but minor details do hurt you in FB games. Also he stood by MM for 11 years listening to the way he conducts himself during the game, that's not insight .....c'mon ppl

The Niner's try every conceived gadget play in the books, the Duke's are steady in their mission, JMU 38 - Charlotte 10. Beers are exchanged and plans for our trip south next year are made as it is finally unveiled that we are CUSA bound.

(09-18-2013 05:36 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  The Niner's try every conceived gadget play in the books, the Duke's are steady in their mission, JMU 38 - Charlotte 10. Beers are exchanged and plans for our trip south next year are made as it is finally unveiled that we are CUSA bound.

Ya know, I think there could be some real rivalries (other than ODU) for us in C-USA. UNCC for sure.

A lot to a little. Dukes.

I don't really expect to keep it within 21. If we do I'll consider it a good day.

(09-18-2013 05:36 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  The Niner's try every conceived gadget play in the books, the Duke's are steady in their mission, JMU 38 - Charlotte 10. Beers are exchanged and plans for our trip south next year are made as it is finally unveiled that we are CUSA bound.

this is my wife's theory. she really believes that they'll make an announcement on the jumbotron while we host charlotte. I told her not to hold her breath.
i will say, if it does end up going down like that, every poster on here has terrible sources and stop listening to them. I also nominate alger for the head of the cia. It would be the best kept secret in US history.