I think the Census Bureau's regional distinctions are as close as we will get to accurate within carving up portions of the border states. Of course Missouri, Maryland, Delaware and other border states will have some cross regional influence, but, in general, it is pretty accurate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Census...States.svg

The issue with Baltimore is that there are only about 20 square blocks that are not ridiculously touristy, embarassingly yuppiefied, or like something out of "The Wire." If you can find one those neighborhoods, it's the greatest place on earth. The bad sections in Baltimore are unusual in that it's so easy to accidently wonder into them. Take a wrong turn leaving the Inner Harbor and you feel like your life is at risk. That doesn't happen in most other major cities.

(09-18-2013 12:56 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 12:41 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  If you are equating redneck as the only thing southern then you will come to that conclusion.

You do know that more black people live in what is considered the South than the rest of the country combined, right?

You are responding to the wrong person. That is essentially the same point I was making.

(09-18-2013 01:08 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  The issue with Baltimore is that there are only about 20 square blocks that are not ridiculously touristy, embarassingly yuppiefied, or like something out of "The Wire." If you can find one those neighborhoods, it's the greatest place on earth. The bad sections in Baltimore are unusual in that it's so easy to accidently wonder into them. Take a wrong turn leaving the Inner Harbor and you feel like your life is at risk. That doesn't happen in most other major cities.

My place was just as you described. I lived in a yuppified artsy area (Bolton Hill) and if you wander three block away you will see them filming the Wire right off MLK. near US 40. I had friends coming to visit for Preakness who were getting nervous when they are five blocks away from my house at what they saw. It's the only city where you can have The Wire, The replacements, and Runaway Bride filmed within a 10 block radius.

(09-18-2013 01:13 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 12:56 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 12:41 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  If you are equating redneck as the only thing southern then you will come to that conclusion.

You do know that more black people live in what is considered the South than the rest of the country combined, right?

You are responding to the wrong person. That is essentially the same point I was making.

Right, it wasn't about your comment.

(09-17-2013 08:28 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think of Navy as a northern school.

Hard for me to call the United States Navy, which bombarded Vicksburg and Southern seaports 150 years ago, "Southern". My great-great-grandfather, by the way, was killed at Vicksburg by one of their projectiles.

(09-18-2013 12:58 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 03:12 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 02:55 PM)Texas2Step Wrote:  Really, looking at the Florida schools, are they really Southern in culture? Tampa and Orlando are arguably more Northern-like in feel than typical Southern.

The odd part is that I have always felt and thought that Missouri was more like a Southern State than a Midwestern State. I guess that most people see Missouri as a Midwestern State though.

Southeastern Missouri is southern. The rest of Missouri is more like Iowa or Kansas than like Arkansas. So its kind of a 1/3 : 2/3 thang.

Its a cross of Midwest/South in Missouri. Overall though its a Midwestern state.

(09-18-2013 12:41 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 09:41 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 09:06 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Baltimore is definitely south. Country would be the word, in comparison to other cities around. Best way I can put it. Lived there for 7 years

I disagree 100%. I've have lived near Baltimore for a few decades and have been to all of the cities on the East Coast.

There are some redneck pockets around Baltimore like Pasadena and Glen Burnie but there are rednecks everywhere. There is nothing southern about Baltimore from the people to the lifestyle. Can you point to anything specifically southern?

If you are equating redneck as the only thing southern then you will come to that conclusion. Baltimore, the city, is far more like Atlanta than DC or Philly. When I said demographics, I was referring to the, how shall we say, being chocolate city of the east. And it is very, very much southern within the city. Anyone who lives there will tell you that. It is a stark contrast to the other large cities nearby. Living "near" Baltimore can give you much different impression than living "in" Baltimore. My several years living in the Baltimore suburbs gave me a much different view than when I moved into downtown Baltimore.

I am more familiar with downtown Baltimore than what you might expect.

The East Coast rap group Dru Hill is from the neighborhood Dru Hill between downtown and the zoo. Beyond the people when you look at the architecture of the city and the historical sites it feels very much like a little Philadelphia. Federal Hill of Providence would fit right into Baltimore. I have been through the US 40 W neighborhoods and the vacant blocks around JHU, Little Italy, Hampden ect.

I like the 4 story sushi place on St. Charles St. near Penn Station and often run into a greek heritage festival or something on my way. I see a lot of Penn State shirts in Baltimore and the city is packed with neighborhood bars. I have ancestors who immigrated that made their way through Baltimore and I think many others did too.

(09-18-2013 12:56 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 12:41 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 09:41 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 09:06 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  Baltimore is definitely south. Country would be the word, in comparison to other cities around. Best way I can put it. Lived there for 7 years

I disagree 100%. I've have lived near Baltimore for a few decades and have been to all of the cities on the East Coast.

There are some redneck pockets around Baltimore like Pasadena and Glen Burnie but there are rednecks everywhere. There is nothing southern about Baltimore from the people to the lifestyle. Can you point to anything specifically southern?

If you are equating redneck as the only thing southern then you will come to that conclusion. Baltimore, the city, is far more like Atlanta than DC or Philly. When I said demographics, I was referring to the, how shall we say, being chocolate city of the east. And it is very, very much southern within the city. Anyone who lives there will tell you that. It is a stark contrast to the other large cities nearby. Living "near" Baltimore can give you much different impression than living "in" Baltimore. My several years living in the Baltimore suburbs gave me a much different view than when I moved into downtown Baltimore.

You do know that more black people live in what is considered the South than the rest of the country combined, right? http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/...cn185.html

Redneck is a coal union and poor farmer term, usually associated with the Scots-Irish, so Maryland would not be far from that population center. It seems to be preferred for use on Southerners, in general, though, when a more creative derogatory term cannot be generated from a dull mind. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck

Hillbilly is another term for the Scots-Irish of the Appalachian region that stretches from Maine to Georgia, but it seems to be preferred for use on Southerners. Amusingly, it is frequently used for Southerners that live hundreds of miles from any "hills". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillbilly

Since the thread is going down that path, I just wanted to make sure the stereotypes and false assumptions are defined properly.

I agree with the origins of the term Redneck but its modern application is far different.

Redneck as a USA wide social group was grew from the rise of the American Car Culture in the 50's/60's with the necessity of needing a car in rural areas. Kids in the 60's were into cars like kids today are into computers. Rural areas made their own local adaptations of this culture into various forms of auto racing. The same thing was done with hunting and trailer parks ect. A culture into its own.

You would be surprised how many NASCAR T-Shirts you would see in New England for example. My uncle from Maine only listens to country and lives in suburban Boston. Drives a big Ford Explorer around and works in industrial sales. Goes fishing every weekend. Redneck today is much more than its historical definition.

Rednecks are everywhere, nothing to do with Southern culture.

The term redneck originated with cowboys who used it to describe farmers, who got sunburned on the back of their neck from being bent over in the field all day. They considered it a derogatory term, and that connotation has never changed. The only change is the group being denegrated...

(09-18-2013 04:29 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 08:28 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think of Navy as a northern school.

Hard for me to call the United States Navy, which bombarded Vicksburg and Southern seaports 150 years ago, "Southern". My great-great-grandfather, by the way, was killed at Vicksburg by one of their projectiles.

If it makes you feel any better my great-great-grandfather was in Ft. Fisher, Wilmington NC when the U.S. Navy made the poor decision to lead the assault on the Fort to gain the glory over the Army and promptly had their asses handed to them by Confederate Troops and my great-great-grandfather. The Navy limped back to their ships and let the Army do its thing which led to victory but it is a humorous example of the battle between the branches and how far that goes back.

(09-18-2013 05:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Rednecks are everywhere, nothing to do with Southern culture.

Having lived in Southern N.J. and ventured into the Delaware Valley and Pennsylvania, I can definitely agree that rednecks are every where. I can also say without a shadow of a doubt the most openly racist place I have ever visited is Boston. Those folks throw the N word around in casual conversation with little thought.

(09-18-2013 06:15 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 04:29 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(09-17-2013 08:28 AM)SteveUCF19 Wrote:  I think of Navy as a northern school.

Hard for me to call the United States Navy, which bombarded Vicksburg and Southern seaports 150 years ago, "Southern". My great-great-grandfather, by the way, was killed at Vicksburg by one of their projectiles.

If it makes you feel any better my great-great-grandfather was in Ft. Fisher, Wilmington NC when the U.S. Navy made the poor decision to lead the assault on the Fort to gain the glory over the Army and promptly had their asses handed to them by Confederate Troops and my great-great-grandfather. The Navy limped back to their ships and let the Army do its thing which led to victory but it is a humorous example of the battle between the branches and how far that goes back.

And my great grandfather flew with Baron von Richthofen in WWI. What of it?

(09-18-2013 06:17 PM)ShoreBuc Wrote:  

(09-18-2013 05:45 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Rednecks are everywhere, nothing to do with Southern culture.

Having lived in Southern N.J. and ventured into the Delaware Valley and Pennsylvania, I can definitely agree that rednecks are every where. I can also say without a shadow of a doubt the most openly racist place I have ever visited is Boston. Those folks throw the N word around in casual conversation with little thought.

Indeed. Boston would surprise a lot of people. The South Jersey Redneck also is a popular description for the area you are talking about. I have a friend from there who knows nothing of music except the country artists.