(09-17-2013 09:16 AM)7 Wrote: Akron didn't take advantage of anything. They lost.
But they sure looked like a fundamentally sound FB team doing it. Bowden definitely outcoached Hoke.
Which brings up the question of how many wins will it take before another school comes for Bowden? I say 6 wins and he will be gone.
I almost get the feeling that Bowden is trying to pull a Frank Solich by building Akron from the ground up. He's 57 and not in the best of shape, so unless he gets an offer by a major program he's going to have to work a lot again to fix it up. Akron has top-notch facilities for a G5 school and he's in a reasonably fertile recruiting ground, maybe he sticks around for a bit?
The problem with Akron is Kent State is the more popular school and won 11 games in 2012.....they are fighting an uphill battle in their own region.
Is that stopping Toledo and BG from competing for bowls and MAC titles most years? It'd be one thing if Akron were in EMU's position and was located a suburb of Columbus. It's another when you're in the Cleveland metro area, where OSU has a lot of support but the region in general doesn't have a big local college football following like Austin for example.
(09-15-2013 09:09 AM)The Optimist Wrote: Oh yeah, you absolutely hate Ohio. It all makes sense now. To your credit, disrespecting Ohio will drive up views on your website. Straight cash homie.
Anytime I hear straight cash, homie...I always laugh. Thanks!
(09-17-2013 01:12 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: But they sure looked like a fundamentally sound FB team doing it. Bowden definitely outcoached Hoke.
Which brings up the question of how many wins will it take before another school comes for Bowden? I say 6 wins and he will be gone.
I almost get the feeling that Bowden is trying to pull a Frank Solich by building Akron from the ground up. He's 57 and not in the best of shape, so unless he gets an offer by a major program he's going to have to work a lot again to fix it up. Akron has top-notch facilities for a G5 school and he's in a reasonably fertile recruiting ground, maybe he sticks around for a bit?
The problem with Akron is Kent State is the more popular school and won 11 games in 2012.....they are fighting an uphill battle in their own region.
Is that stopping Toledo and BG from competing for bowls and MAC titles most years? It'd be one thing if Akron were in EMU's position and was located a suburb of Columbus. It's another when you're in the Cleveland metro area, where OSU has a lot of support but the region in general doesn't have a big local college football following like Austin for example.
Toledo and BG since they are close to Michigan can dip into that state from time to time effectively. Toledo with the Glass Bowl recruits well from Pittsburgh to Chicago, 4 hours either way.
Both schools have always used their location in the geographic middle of the conference to their advantage.
How about some examples not exclusively in the MAC? NIU and Northwestern are thriving yet they're both in the Chicagoland area. There's UCLA and USC. SMU and TCU. Houston and Rice. You yourself have pointed out that Ohio is more valuable because of its proximity to the Huntington area (and by extension Marshall, who has been decent in recent history).
There is some reasoning in your logic, two G5 programs probably won't sustain national success parallel to each other. It's not like we're seeing college football dominated by the combos of Louisiana Tech-ULM, New Mexico State-UTEP, or Idaho-Washington State (yeah they're P5, but it's not like they play like it). The point is that with a football-deep state like Ohio, a program with great G5 facilities and an experienced coach like Akron, and a rising program like Kent State, it's far from impossible.
I was looking at it from the program not just his record. A 6 win season would be more wins then multiple seasons combined. Add in playing Michigan down to the wire and you have yourself a pretty decent resume. What was Turner Gill's record at Buffalo before leaving for Kansas?
(09-17-2013 10:56 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: How about some examples not exclusively in the MAC? NIU and Northwestern are thriving yet they're both in the Chicagoland area. There's UCLA and USC. SMU and TCU. Houston and Rice. You yourself have pointed out that Ohio is more valuable because of its proximity to the Huntington area (and by extension Marshall, who has been decent in recent history).
There is some reasoning in your logic, two G5 programs probably won't sustain national success parallel to each other. It's not like we're seeing college football dominated by the combos of Louisiana Tech-ULM, New Mexico State-UTEP, or Idaho-Washington State (yeah they're P5, but it's not like they play like it). The point is that with a football-deep state like Ohio, a program with great G5 facilities and an experienced coach like Akron, and a rising program like Kent State, it's far from impossible.
Ohio is about as close to the Huntington area as it is Cincinnati. Its anywhere from a 2 to 2.5 hour drive to Huntington from Athens.
Ohio is more valuable because its the closest school to the growing Columbus football hotbed and closer to Cincinnati/Dayton gold mine than the Northern Ohio MAC schools.
The demographic changes in Ohio toward central Ohio and suburban Dayton/Cincinnati and away from NE Ohio favor Ohio U. moving forward in the recruiting battles. Its in the depleted NE Ohio space once P5 schools have picked over recruits Kent and Akron have to battle in.
(09-17-2013 10:56 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: How about some examples not exclusively in the MAC? NIU and Northwestern are thriving yet they're both in the Chicagoland area. There's UCLA and USC. SMU and TCU. Houston and Rice. You yourself have pointed out that Ohio is more valuable because of its proximity to the Huntington area (and by extension Marshall, who has been decent in recent history).
There is some reasoning in your logic, two G5 programs probably won't sustain national success parallel to each other. It's not like we're seeing college football dominated by the combos of Louisiana Tech-ULM, New Mexico State-UTEP, or Idaho-Washington State (yeah they're P5, but it's not like they play like it). The point is that with a football-deep state like Ohio, a program with great G5 facilities and an experienced coach like Akron, and a rising program like Kent State, it's far from impossible.
Ohio is about as close to the Huntington area as it is Cincinnati. Its anywhere from a 2 to 2.5 hour drive to Huntington from Athens.
Ohio is more valuable because its the closest school to the growing Columbus football hotbed and closer to Cincinnati/Dayton gold mine than the Northern Ohio MAC schools.
The demographic changes in Ohio toward central Ohio and suburban Dayton/Cincinnati and away from NE Ohio favor Ohio U. moving forward in the recruiting battles. Its in the depleted NE Ohio space once P5 schools have picked over recruits Kent and Akron have to battle in.
Yet, despite those shifts, NEO still accounts for roughly 40 percent of Ohio's D1 football athletes, 40 percent of its BCS athletes and 40 percent of its NFL athletes. It's pretty consistent. Plus, Akron (or Kent) is twice as close to Pittsburgh than Athens.
(09-17-2013 10:56 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: How about some examples not exclusively in the MAC? NIU and Northwestern are thriving yet they're both in the Chicagoland area. There's UCLA and USC. SMU and TCU. Houston and Rice. You yourself have pointed out that Ohio is more valuable because of its proximity to the Huntington area (and by extension Marshall, who has been decent in recent history).
There is some reasoning in your logic, two G5 programs probably won't sustain national success parallel to each other. It's not like we're seeing college football dominated by the combos of Louisiana Tech-ULM, New Mexico State-UTEP, or Idaho-Washington State (yeah they're P5, but it's not like they play like it). The point is that with a football-deep state like Ohio, a program with great G5 facilities and an experienced coach like Akron, and a rising program like Kent State, it's far from impossible.
Ohio is about as close to the Huntington area as it is Cincinnati. Its anywhere from a 2 to 2.5 hour drive to Huntington from Athens.
Ohio is more valuable because its the closest school to the growing Columbus football hotbed and closer to Cincinnati/Dayton gold mine than the Northern Ohio MAC schools.
The demographic changes in Ohio toward central Ohio and suburban Dayton/Cincinnati and away from NE Ohio favor Ohio U. moving forward in the recruiting battles. Its in the depleted NE Ohio space once P5 schools have picked over recruits Kent and Akron have to battle in.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
(09-17-2013 10:56 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: How about some examples not exclusively in the MAC? NIU and Northwestern are thriving yet they're both in the Chicagoland area. There's UCLA and USC. SMU and TCU. Houston and Rice. You yourself have pointed out that Ohio is more valuable because of its proximity to the Huntington area (and by extension Marshall, who has been decent in recent history).
There is some reasoning in your logic, two G5 programs probably won't sustain national success parallel to each other. It's not like we're seeing college football dominated by the combos of Louisiana Tech-ULM, New Mexico State-UTEP, or Idaho-Washington State (yeah they're P5, but it's not like they play like it). The point is that with a football-deep state like Ohio, a program with great G5 facilities and an experienced coach like Akron, and a rising program like Kent State, it's far from impossible.
Ohio is about as close to the Huntington area as it is Cincinnati. Its anywhere from a 2 to 2.5 hour drive to Huntington from Athens.
Ohio is more valuable because its the closest school to the growing Columbus football hotbed and closer to Cincinnati/Dayton gold mine than the Northern Ohio MAC schools.
The demographic changes in Ohio toward central Ohio and suburban Dayton/Cincinnati and away from NE Ohio favor Ohio U. moving forward in the recruiting battles. Its in the depleted NE Ohio space once P5 schools have picked over recruits Kent and Akron have to battle in.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
(09-17-2013 10:56 PM)Love and Honor Wrote: How about some examples not exclusively in the MAC? NIU and Northwestern are thriving yet they're both in the Chicagoland area. There's UCLA and USC. SMU and TCU. Houston and Rice. You yourself have pointed out that Ohio is more valuable because of its proximity to the Huntington area (and by extension Marshall, who has been decent in recent history).
There is some reasoning in your logic, two G5 programs probably won't sustain national success parallel to each other. It's not like we're seeing college football dominated by the combos of Louisiana Tech-ULM, New Mexico State-UTEP, or Idaho-Washington State (yeah they're P5, but it's not like they play like it). The point is that with a football-deep state like Ohio, a program with great G5 facilities and an experienced coach like Akron, and a rising program like Kent State, it's far from impossible.
Ohio is about as close to the Huntington area as it is Cincinnati. Its anywhere from a 2 to 2.5 hour drive to Huntington from Athens.
Ohio is more valuable because its the closest school to the growing Columbus football hotbed and closer to Cincinnati/Dayton gold mine than the Northern Ohio MAC schools.
The demographic changes in Ohio toward central Ohio and suburban Dayton/Cincinnati and away from NE Ohio favor Ohio U. moving forward in the recruiting battles. Its in the depleted NE Ohio space once P5 schools have picked over recruits Kent and Akron have to battle in.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
