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Is Gonzaga doable?
Every time Gonzaga is brought into the conversation, they are dismissed as too far, outside the footprint, not possible, unthinkable.

Is that really true?

The idea is treated as though it's never been done before, as though the obstacles are insurmountable. What are these insurmountable obstacles?

1. It's a long trip. How long? 4 hours, 52 minutes from NY to Spokane. Hmm . . . Is that impossible? How long do you think it takes MAAC teams to bus from NYC to Buffalo or Niagara? Ivy League schools to bus from NYC to Hanover, NH? There are a myriad of other examples. The real issue is not the time but the cost. It's a lot more expensive to travel by plane than by bus

2. It's such a long way. 2190 air miles. That is a long way. But Hawaii travels 2550 miles to Sacramento to play UC Davis. Every trip that Hawaii makes in the Big West is in the neighborhood of 2000 miles or better for everyone of their teams. When Hawaii and Louisiana Tech were in the WAC together, that was a 4000 mile flight.

3. Hawaii is a bad example. They have no choice. They have to do it. If they had a choice, they wouldn't do it. . . Actually they do have a choice. It's very possible to run a world class university without intercollegiate athletics. But that aside, Hawaii isn't the only one. TX-Pan American and Seattle both compete in the WAC. That's a 2010 mile flight. Old Dominion flies 1700 miles from Norfolk, VA to El Paso, TX in CUSA. For years, Louisiana Teach flew 1900 miles from Monroe, LA to Seattle, WA in the WAC.

Folks, this is the 21st century. Planes fly at air speeds approaching 600 mph. The extra 260 miles for Gonzaga to Providence (2270 miles) vs UTPA to Seattle is less than half an hour. The extra distance for that same trip vs ODU to El Paso is less than an hour. And connections in and out of Big East cities are a lot easier than from places like Monroe, LA and Brownsville, TX.

Teams have been making arduous bus trips for generations that may be fewer miles but are not less time. They're more. And planes can fly over bad weather. Busses get caught in snow storms and every other kind of bad weather during basketball season as well as traffic jams and other delays.

The more I think of adding Gonzaga and BYU, the more sense it makes with the advantages of modern travel and with the increased TV revenue to defray the costs. Come on, this is the big time. If Louisiana Tech and UT Pan American and yes, Hawaii can do it in mid major sports, for small pay days, and on limited budgets, certainly the Big East can do it for big returns in big time sports.

We're not reinventing the wheel here. It's already being done.
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not sure what does she look like? 04-jawdrop
sorry i couldnt resist a little crude posting!
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(09-14-2013 05:43 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  not sure what does she look like? 04-jawdrop
sorry i couldnt resist a little crude posting!

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i may be in the minority but for me, i think we need to keep the league somewhat contained. It gives a conference some identity. Id like the BE to be viewed as a midwestern/northeastern league. Im not abig fan of these spread out leagues that dont seem to have rhyme or reason to its membership. If they go as a national league then they need to go BIG and really go national. Not jusy with Gonzaga and BYU
If Gonzaga was in Minneapolis, Hartford or Detroit they 'd be a no brainer.
We could argue this back and forth for a week. Just throwing in my 2 cents
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(09-14-2013 05:51 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  i may be in the minority but for me, i think we need to keep the league somewhat contained. It gives a conference some identity. Id like the BE to be viewed as a midwestern/northeastern league. Im not abig fan of these spread out leagues that dont seem to have rhyme or reason to its membership. If they go as a national league then they need to go BIG and really go national. Not jusy with Gonzaga and BYU
If Gonzaga was in Minneapolis, Hartford or Detroit they 'd be a no brainer.
We could argue this back and forth for a week. Just throwing in my 2 cents

The beauty of this league is that the identity is so clear and it's not based on geography. Gonzaga is such a perfect fit as a big time basketball-first Catholic school that no one will bat an eye or think twice about the geography. The identity will continue to speak for itself. They can bring BYU along and it will be just like Butler - one more private school except that being a faith based school, they'd be even a better fit.
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I am for Gonzaga, not so much for BYU.
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(09-14-2013 05:59 PM)ivet Wrote:  I am for Gonzaga, not so much for BYU.

I've been for Gonzaga from the jump distance be damned...As for BYU, I'm not at all interested in school that suspends young men, for being young men.
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Gonzaga, BYU, SLU and Richmond. Let's do it!
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Then why don't we go to 16 with SLU, BYU, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, VCU and Wichita?
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(09-14-2013 06:47 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Then why don't we go to 16 with SLU, BYU, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, VCU and Wichita?

At the rate this conversation is going, the Big East may be adding NBA teams.

The leagues will be roughly the same size.
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(09-14-2013 06:47 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Then why don't we go to 16 with SLU, BYU, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, VCU and Wichita?

St. Mary's plays in a high school gym, is under probation and has a very small fanbase, VCU and WSU are large state institutions that look nothing like the other Big East schools.
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(09-14-2013 06:16 PM)TheRock Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 05:59 PM)ivet Wrote:  I am for Gonzaga, not so much for BYU.

I've been for Gonzaga from the jump distance be damned...As for BYU, I'm not at all interested in school that suspends young men, for being young men.

Gotta agree with you on your BYU comment. That incident was one of the stupidest and most unfair actions I've seen in a long time.
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(09-14-2013 08:30 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 06:16 PM)TheRock Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 05:59 PM)ivet Wrote:  I am for Gonzaga, not so much for BYU.

I've been for Gonzaga from the jump distance be damned...As for BYU, I'm not at all interested in school that suspends young men, for being young men.

Gotta agree with you on your BYU comment. That incident was one of the stupidest and unfair actions I've seen in a long time.

Always wondered how Jim McMahon survived the honor code there.
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(09-14-2013 08:35 PM)LouPower Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 08:30 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 06:16 PM)TheRock Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 05:59 PM)ivet Wrote:  I am for Gonzaga, not so much for BYU.

I've been for Gonzaga from the jump distance be damned...As for BYU, I'm not at all interested in school that suspends young men, for being young men.

Gotta agree with you on your BYU comment. That incident was one of the stupidest and unfair actions I've seen in a long time.

Always wondered how Jim McMahon survived the honor code there.

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(09-14-2013 03:20 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  Every time Gonzaga is brought into the conversation, they are dismissed as too far, outside the footprint, not possible, unthinkable.

Is that really true?

The idea is treated as though it's never been done before, as though the obstacles are insurmountable. What are these insurmountable obstacles?

1. It's a long trip. How long? 4 hours, 52 minutes from NY to Spokane. Hmm . . . Is that impossible? How long do you think it takes MAAC teams to bus from NYC to Buffalo or Niagara? Ivy League schools to bus from NYC to Hanover, NH? There are a myriad of other examples. The real issue is not the time but the cost. It's a lot more expensive to travel by plane than by bus

2. It's such a long way. 2190 air miles. That is a long way. But Hawaii travels 2550 miles to Sacramento to play UC Davis. Every trip that Hawaii makes in the Big West is in the neighborhood of 2000 miles or better for everyone of their teams. When Hawaii and Louisiana Tech were in the WAC together, that was a 4000 mile flight.

3. Hawaii is a bad example. They have no choice. They have to do it. If they had a choice, they wouldn't do it. . . Actually they do have a choice. It's very possible to run a world class university without intercollegiate athletics. But that aside, Hawaii isn't the only one. TX-Pan American and Seattle both compete in the WAC. That's a 2010 mile flight. Old Dominion flies 1700 miles from Norfolk, VA to El Paso, TX in CUSA. For years, Louisiana Teach flew 1900 miles from Monroe, LA to Seattle, WA in the WAC.

Folks, this is the 21st century. Planes fly at air speeds approaching 600 mph. The extra 260 miles for Gonzaga to Providence (2270 miles) vs UTPA to Seattle is less than half an hour. The extra distance for that same trip vs ODU to El Paso is less than an hour. And connections in and out of Big East cities are a lot easier than from places like Monroe, LA and Brownsville, TX.

Teams have been making arduous bus trips for generations that may be fewer miles but are not less time. They're more. And planes can fly over bad weather. Busses get caught in snow storms and every other kind of bad weather during basketball season as well as traffic jams and other delays.

The more I think of adding Gonzaga and BYU, the more sense it makes with the advantages of modern travel and with the increased TV revenue to defray the costs. Come on, this is the big time. If Louisiana Tech and UT Pan American and yes, Hawaii can do it in mid major sports, for small pay days, and on limited budgets, certainly the Big East can do it for big returns in big time sports.

We're not reinventing the wheel here. It's already being done.

The issue is does it pencil out for Gonzaga in terms of increased costs and time away from school. Hawaii students often spend a week away from school for athletics. Will Gonzaga admin do this if they don't have to?
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(09-14-2013 09:33 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 08:35 PM)LouPower Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 08:30 PM)Melky Cabrera Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 06:16 PM)TheRock Wrote:  I've been for Gonzaga from the jump distance be damned...As for BYU, I'm not at all interested in school that suspends young men, for being young men.

Gotta agree with you on your BYU comment. That incident was one of the stupidest and unfair actions I've seen in a long time.

Always wondered how Jim McMahon survived the honor code there.

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He doesn't seem to know either:

"That McMahon was at odds with all the rules and regulations at the school that's owned and operated by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was made clear when he was asked about his favorite memory of BYU. McMahon's response: "Leaving."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...mcmahon-/1
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why am i always sucked in by these expansion threads? 03-lmfao
go to 16?


St Louis
VCU
WICHITA ST
GONZAGA
DENVER
BYU (provided that the p12 or b12 would take them as FB only)
otherwise i have no idea, pickk one
DAYTON
DRAKE (fits in the puzzle map net to Illinois, Missouri and Nebraska)
UMASS if they drop their FB back a level
ok i think i got that out of my system
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No, we can do it. It just depends on if Gonzaga wants to.

Something no one really takes into account in this however, is that the Zags would also be taking away so many games where their alumni are. I guess they could make it up in the non-con but will they want to send every road game they have away from where their alumni mostly are? The alumni may think its worth it and that they can schedule games on the west coast in the non-con.

If they demand a western partner, I'd rather give a San Francisco or LMU a chance over BYU - who, in all likelihood, will eventually leave anyways (in 1 year or 15). Only way BYU would stay long-term would be if Notre Dame also wants to play the same game and join.
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(09-15-2013 11:21 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  why am i always sucked in by these expansion threads? 03-lmfao
go to 16?


St Louis
VCU
WICHITA ST
GONZAGA
DENVER
BYU (provided that the p12 or b12 would take them as FB only)
otherwise i have no idea, pickk one
DAYTON
DRAKE (fits in the puzzle map net to Illinois, Missouri and Nebraska)
UMASS if they drop their FB back a level
ok i think i got that out of my system

I like thinking about this (it's fun!), but this will be a long-time down the road (8-15 years to see if the programs can grow). But if we do this, it'll be because we are adding a western pod. So Gonzaga 3 of the following (don't see the VCU thing making a difference here):

Denver
San Francisco
Loyola Marymount/Pepperdine/Santa Clara
BYU
Wichita St
Creighton moves over (?)

I agree on Drake though, it'll be interesting to see if they can fill in the void left by Creighton. Still sucks Holy Cross (i.e. Boston market) gave-up on sports long ago.
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(09-14-2013 07:28 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  
(09-14-2013 06:47 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Then why don't we go to 16 with SLU, BYU, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, VCU and Wichita?

St. Mary's plays in a high school gym, is under probation and has a very small fanbase, VCU and WSU are large state institutions that look nothing like the other Big East schools.


But if we really do go big and fully expand west and do 16 teams then VCU and WSU match each other very well on the West/East divide. I think if we do both, you minimize the oddity that either one would create by themselves. They instantly become rivals and have a partner/accomplice in the conference. I actually would be much in favor of adding both in this scenario - and I'm against VCU/WSU at 12.

....so right on St. Mary's though. Add San Francisco, Denver, LMU, Pepperdine over them in a heartbeat.
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