(09-16-2013 04:50 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  That article looks like this is being initiated by Purdue. Incredibly short-sighted of them. Then again, Purdue is well-known for being the cheapest school in the Big 10, with the possible exception of Wisconsin.

Fun fact: Purdue had to rent lights to play a night game against ND last Saturday. This is because they never bothered to install permanent lights in their stadium.

and thats different from michigan 2 years ago how??????????

(09-16-2013 05:02 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Two lines from this article make no sense at all when they are read together:

"Purdue’s budget considerations require a schedule of seven home games with five on the road."

"They have visited West Lafayette 33 times since the series became annual in 1946. On 32 of those occasions, the Irish have attracted Purdue’s largest home crowd of the season. Gate receipts generally run about $1 million higher for Notre Dame than for the typical opponent at Ross-Ade Stadium."

How do you justify dumping the ND series for budget reasons? It costs $300-$500k for a bodybag opponent and brings the smallest crowd of the season. Absolutely nuts.

I have to think that ND is pressing PU to give up a home game periodically so that they can meet their own commitment to NBC to schedule 7 home games annually. The solution would appear to be a periodic neutral site game on PU's turn in the rotation, or to skip games every couple of years.

I was looking at Michigan state's future schedule. They have h/a games with Oregon in 2014 and 2015 with no ND games in 2014 and 2015. Than MSU has a h/a series with Alabama in 2016 and 2017. ND is also on the MSU 2016 and 2017 schedule h/a. I got to think MSU will drop either alabama or ND in 2016 + 2017, to play both + 9 big 10 games is pretty crazy. IF its ND going off, MSU won't play them for 4 years after this week's game. Michigan could pick up either ND or alabama in 2016/2017 if Michigan state drops one of them since they have void in their schedule with ND going off.

(09-16-2013 07:20 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 05:02 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Two lines from this article make no sense at all when they are read together:

"Purdue’s budget considerations require a schedule of seven home games with five on the road."

"They have visited West Lafayette 33 times since the series became annual in 1946. On 32 of those occasions, the Irish have attracted Purdue’s largest home crowd of the season. Gate receipts generally run about $1 million higher for Notre Dame than for the typical opponent at Ross-Ade Stadium."

How do you justify dumping the ND series for budget reasons? It costs $300-$500k for a bodybag opponent and brings the smallest crowd of the season. Absolutely nuts.

I have to think that ND is pressing PU to give up a home game periodically so that they can meet their own commitment to NBC to schedule 7 home games annually. The solution would appear to be a periodic neutral site game on PU's turn in the rotation, or to skip games every couple of years.

Will the Big Ten allow Purdue to do that, to essentially take a Big 10 home game away from the Big 10's TV package and give it to Notre Dame's NBC package?

I read that the Big 12 now has a rule against future scheduling of neutral-site FB games unless the game is available to one of the Big 12's TV partners. The Big 12 is on both ESPN and Fox, so I think we can all figure out exactly what that Big 12 rule is aimed at.

(09-16-2013 10:47 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 07:20 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-16-2013 05:02 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  Two lines from this article make no sense at all when they are read together:

"Purdue’s budget considerations require a schedule of seven home games with five on the road."

"They have visited West Lafayette 33 times since the series became annual in 1946. On 32 of those occasions, the Irish have attracted Purdue’s largest home crowd of the season. Gate receipts generally run about $1 million higher for Notre Dame than for the typical opponent at Ross-Ade Stadium."

How do you justify dumping the ND series for budget reasons? It costs $300-$500k for a bodybag opponent and brings the smallest crowd of the season. Absolutely nuts.

I have to think that ND is pressing PU to give up a home game periodically so that they can meet their own commitment to NBC to schedule 7 home games annually. The solution would appear to be a periodic neutral site game on PU's turn in the rotation, or to skip games every couple of years.

Will the Big Ten allow Purdue to do that, to essentially take a Big 10 home game away from the Big 10's TV package and give it to Notre Dame's NBC package?

I read that the Big 12 now has a rule against future scheduling of neutral-site FB games unless the game is available to one of the Big 12's TV partners. The Big 12 is on both ESPN and Fox, so I think we can all figure out exactly what that Big 12 rule is aimed at.

I think that's the Pac 12, not the Big 12.

(09-16-2013 05:24 AM)Vewb1 Wrote:  Kelly was like that in Cincinnati too. He complained about the series with Miami of Ohio. If he had stayed in Cincinnati, that series would have been over. The UC/Miami rivalry is the 117th meeting and one of the oldest in the country. Kelly wanted to get rid of it just as Cincinnati was catching the Redhawks in total wins. For those that think Miami, Ohio was a pushover, think again. They had head coaches such as Weeb Eubank (former NY Jets head coach and super bowl champion coach) Paul Brown, Woody Hayes, Bo Schembechler and known as the cradle of coaches for the many, many great coaches at the university. So Miami often beat UC in the early days and had a nice streak while Rothlesburger was at Miami U, but since big ben has left, Cincinnati has won seven in a row.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_Bel...incinnati)

And I for one don't blame him. Paul Brown, Woody Hayes, Bo et al. are not walking through the door in Oxford. The game does not help UC in recruiting and when it is played at Miami the game is not televised on television. The only perk for UC is that their fans have a short trip to travel to watch their team but that is offset but the fact that Miami jacks up the ticket price for the game.

Maybe we all can switch in the future and UC can play Purdue and Notre Dame play Miami.

(09-14-2013 12:25 PM)TerryD Wrote:  http://www.indystar.com/article/20130913...ck_check=1

Good. I thought this series should have been the first one to hit the chopping block. Keeping 1 B1G series seems to be enough for a team that wants to have national appeal. 5 ACC teams up and down the East Coast, MSU in the Mid-west, Stanford & USC in the West, Navy in the East also, leaving 3 other games to bring in opponents like Texas, Oklahoma and BYU.

I wouldn't mind seeing BYU as a regular opponent. The fans go nuts for it and post articles saying they will convert for tickets.

All Purdue and ND have to do is schedule appropriately on the Big Ten 9 game schedule.
When Purdue has 5 home BIG home games they play @ND, when they have 4 BIG home games
ND plays @Purdue.

Why play Purdue in the future?

It benefits Purdue more than it does ND.

Why help a Big Ten school in any way?

Time to move on, in my opinion.

(09-16-2013 12:25 PM)TerryD Wrote:  Why play Purdue in the future?

It benefits Purdue more than it does ND.

Why help a Big Ten school in any way?

Time to move on, in my opinion.

Probably more of the relationship between Purdue and ND, as
opposed to Swarbrick vs. Delaney.

Terry, correct me if I am wrong. If Notre Dame were to start playing as an ACC football member, they would still play 50% of their traditional historic rivals each here.

Future, Notre Dame schedules (Traditional opponents in red):

1. ACC Team
2. ACC Team
3. ACC Team
4. ACC Team
5. ACC Team
6. ACC Team
7. Boston College ACC Team Now
8. Navy Added as the 16th ACC Team
9. Alternate Stanford & USC
10. Alternate [Texas & Oklahoma
11. Alternate Army & Air Force
12. Alternate SEC Team & Big 10 Team)

I do not see a good reason to not start playing ACC football full time.

(09-16-2013 01:13 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  8. Navy Added as the 16th ACC Team

Note that this is entirely hypothetical, since at present Navy is slated to join the AAC.

it'd be impossible for ND to join the ACC quite frankly..
8 ACC games. even say Navy is joining(not going to happen, but ok).
They will play Stanford/USC every year. I'm sorry, but they aren't alternating.

They would then have to have the other 2 teams on the schedule be home games every year. Say good bye to Texas, Oklahoma, SEC, or Big Ten team. That ain't happening.

(09-16-2013 01:13 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Terry, correct me if I am wrong. If Notre Dame were to start playing as an ACC football member, they would still play 50% of their traditional historic rivals each here.

Future, Notre Dame schedules (Traditional opponents in red):

1. ACC Team
2. ACC Team
3. ACC Team
4. ACC Team
5. ACC Team
6. ACC Team
7. Boston College ACC Team Now
8. Navy Added as the 16th ACC Team
9. Alternate Stanford & USC
10. Alternate [Texas & Oklahoma
11. Alternate Army & Air Force
12. Alternate SEC Team & Big 10 Team)

I do not see a good reason to not start playing ACC football full time.

First off I don't see Navy ever joining the ACC, especially not as a full member.

I do hope Notre Dame eventually joins the ACC as a full member. With their few ACC rivalries, I believe they fit best in the Coastal division.

Coastal Rivalries
1. Miami - rival since 1955
2. Pittsburgh - rival since 1909
3. North Carolina - series since 1949
4. Georgia Tech - series since 1922

Atlantic - Could be cross-division rival
5. Boston College - Holy War since 1975

6. ACC
7. ACC
8. ACC

Out-of-Conference Games
9. Navy - rival since 1927
10. USC - rival since 1926
11. Michigan State/Stanford (alternate)
12. Texas/Army (alternate)

I would personally think starting up a frequent Notre Dame-BYU rivalry would be great but I don't know how they would fit it in there schedules if they went full ACC.

(09-16-2013 01:13 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Terry, correct me if I am wrong. If Notre Dame were to start playing as an ACC football member, they would still play 50% of their traditional historic rivals each here.

Future, Notre Dame schedules (Traditional opponents in red):

1. ACC Team
2. ACC Team
3. ACC Team
4. ACC Team
5. ACC Team
6. ACC Team
7. Boston College ACC Team Now
8. Navy Added as the 16th ACC Team
9. Alternate Stanford & USC
10. Alternate [Texas & Oklahoma
11. Alternate Army & Air Force
12. Alternate SEC Team & Big 10 Team)

I do not see a good reason to not start playing ACC football full time.

ND plays Stanford AND Southern Cal every year. They do not alternate.

ND rarely plays Army (4 times since 1985) and Air Force (5 times since 1996).

So.....(annual games currently):

Stanford
Southern Cal
Michigan State

(Purdue is dropped, right?)


Plus already scheduled series with:

Arizona State
Oklahoma
BYU
Northwestern

Plus possible SEC team (I am hearing talk of a Georgia series)?

Plus 8 ACC games a year (with Navy being one of those games)?


( Regarding your bolded question, there are issues involving the fact that every home game is televised OTA on NBC, the $$$ amount of the NBC contract and the fact that almost every ND administrator, alumnus and fan just doesn't want ND to give up its identity as a football independent to join a football conference, besides the scheduling issue).

(09-16-2013 06:40 AM)TerryD Wrote:  

(09-15-2013 09:49 PM)SeaBlue Wrote:  And leave the Northeast to B1G? What?

Nah. ND can/will play Pitt, Syracuse (Met Life) and BC as part of the ACC rotation.

ND can play Navy at Fed Ex, Army at Yankee Stadium, a neutral site game at Met Life, etc...

hopefully after the next 2 games vs notre dame we will get you to come to the carrier dome