I definitely think getting to the red zone and not scoring cost us the game in one aspect...

but, did anyone happen to notice that when we were down by one point and had all the momentum in our favor, the flags started to come out until mizzou could score and capture the game? it was like Syracuse and Minnesota all over again... not to mention zero state, where the refs were the biggest cheaters...

The refs weren't making us false start on 3rd and short, Owens throw bad interceptions, receivers drop balls, or Penza blast a punt off the o-line. I know we like to find excuses around here, but we lost this one fair and square.

These were "training" issues seems to me. Maybe a little less kill the guy in the circle and a little more situational training?

(09-08-2013 08:21 AM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  The refs weren't making us false start on 3rd and short, Owens throw bad interceptions, receivers drop balls, or Penza blast a punt off the o-line. I know we like to find excuses around here, but we lost this one fair and square.

Amen

(09-08-2013 08:21 AM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  The refs weren't making us false start on 3rd and short, Owens throw bad interceptions, receivers drop balls, or Penza blast a punt off the o-line. I know we like to find excuses around here, but we lost this one fair and square.

Actually Detmer punted that ball.

(09-08-2013 08:41 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 08:21 AM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  The refs weren't making us false start on 3rd and short, Owens throw bad interceptions, receivers drop balls, or Penza blast a punt off the o-line. I know we like to find excuses around here, but we lost this one fair and square.

Actually Detmer punted that ball.

I stand corrected. Either way, the officials showed great restraint in not running in and blocking the punt.

(09-08-2013 08:50 AM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 08:41 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 08:21 AM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  The refs weren't making us false start on 3rd and short, Owens throw bad interceptions, receivers drop balls, or Penza blast a punt off the o-line. I know we like to find excuses around here, but we lost this one fair and square.

Actually Detmer punted that ball.

I stand corrected. Either way, the officials showed great restraint in not running in and blocking the punt.

took me a second...

What everyone said.

BTW, I don't understand why we put a WR on the field who rarely catches a ball and often costs us penalties. Why put a guy out there who is a liability? We would be better off putting freshmen in there to give them some experience running routes.

I saw nothing that indicated refs were making bad calls. Our freshman lineman was a real drive killer and the refs weren't making up those false starts. Owens wounded duck in the end zone cost us three point at least and the ref didn't throw it. I saw a few posts on the MAC board saying that Toledo was the better team and were just beating themselves-Wrong. Missouri was the better team, although not by that much. The refs had nothing to do with it.

Bigger and more athletic for sure. The stats are interesting, though.

PASS: Owens (TOL): 26-41, 262, TD
..........Franklin (MIZZ): 16-25, 212, TD
RUSH: Fluellen (TOL): 17-111
..........Franklin (MIZZ): 17-77
REC: Fluellen (TOL): 10-100
..........Washington (MIZZ): 5-78

(09-08-2013 09:29 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Bigger and more athletic for sure. The stats are interesting, though.

PASS: Owens (TOL): 26-41, 262, TD
..........Franklin (MIZZ): 16-25, 212, TD
RUSH: Fluellen (TOL): 17-111
..........Franklin (MIZZ): 17-77
REC: Fluellen (TOL): 10-100
..........Washington (MIZZ): 5-78

BUT.... when it looked like UT was coming on strong, Franklin just shredded us pretty much by himself. To me that showed what kind of player he is more than the numbers.

(09-08-2013 08:31 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  These were "training" issues seems to me. Maybe a little less kill the guy in the circle and a little more situational training?

I agree with you 100%. This team lacks situational knowledge and execution. We are very good at self destruction, especially when we gain momentum and have a chance to take control of game. It seems to happen in every big game. The only good team we have beaten in a long time was Air Force, and we got lucky at the end of that one.

(09-08-2013 09:33 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 09:29 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Bigger and more athletic for sure. The stats are interesting, though.

PASS: Owens (TOL): 26-41, 262, TD
..........Franklin (MIZZ): 16-25, 212, TD
RUSH: Fluellen (TOL): 17-111
..........Franklin (MIZZ): 17-77
REC: Fluellen (TOL): 10-100
..........Washington (MIZZ): 5-78

BUT.... when it looked like UT was coming on strong, Franklin just shredded us pretty much by himself. To me that showed what kind of player he is more than the numbers.

No doubt Franklin made the plays when he had to, but still take away the 3 UT INTs and I like UT chances for a win in that game. I think that was the main difference-----aside from making positive plays, Franklin also minimized those catastrophically negative plays that kill a team's chances at victory (1 INT compared to 3 for UT).

I hate to say it, but even back in 2005 when Gary Manni was allegedly tampering with the FB team (as well as the BB team) the UT offense looked a lot more efficient and error free than what I saw much of last year and in the first two games so far this year.

I understand that winning and losing is a team effort but yesterday I found myself feeling bad for David Fluellen in the very same way as I felt bad for Barry Church for his entire 4 years here.

One of the positives from yesterday was hearing Mizzouri fans complain about the officiating. Some of the calls against the Tigers were interesting...

nope

didn't notice that...

I thought the refs did a fine job yesterday. I thought they missed a call on the opening drive by Mizzou when the receiver was juggling the ball as he went out of bounds, but that was a bang-bang play so it's hard to really fault them. I don't think either team can complain about the penalty calls. Mizzou only had 4, and yeah the one big one was the targetting, but the replays clearly showed that was a good call according to the rules. Toledo had 9, but they only added up to 53 yards ... so they were most all false starts, and we have no one to blame but ourselves for those.

We lost because of too many offensive mistakes, pure and simple. We outgained the vaunted Missouri offense that some folks predicted would crush us, after the 700 yards they put up last week.

Take away the silly int at the end of the half, the pic-six (which was really a fumble - the official scorer screwed up on that) and all the false starts, and it's a toss up on the scoreboard.

(09-08-2013 10:05 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  One of the positives from yesterday was hearing Mizzouri fans complain about the officiating. Some of the calls against the Tigers were interesting...

I thought the targeting call was a good one. My understanding is that the officials are not expected to give the person who makes that kind of hit any benefit of the doubt and to call it instead of "letting it go". Something I'll have to remember if and when it's called against Toledo.

But I didn't understand what led to the unsportsmanlike conduct call against the Tigers after the gift interception return for a TD. Maybe I was typing something here and missed what he did because I'd turned away from the TV, but I didn't see anything I thought deserved a penalty. Assuming I didn't miss something blatant, I guess that's one of those judgment calls.

(09-08-2013 09:29 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  Bigger and more athletic for sure. The stats are interesting, though.

PASS: Owens (TOL): 26-41, 262, TD
..........Franklin (MIZZ): 16-25, 212, TD
RUSH: Fluellen (TOL): 17-111
..........Franklin (MIZZ): 17-77
REC: Fluellen (TOL): 10-100
..........Washington (MIZZ): 5-78

officials didn't decide against field goal at end of first half
official didn't throw dumb interceptions
STOP THE WHINING ABOUT OFFICIALS
DO WE HAVE A BACKUP QB

(09-08-2013 10:21 AM)cnyrocketfan Wrote:  But I didn't understand what led to the unsportsmanlike conduct call against the Tigers after the gift interception return for a TD. Maybe I was typing something here and missed what he did because I'd turned away from the TV, but I didn't see anything I thought deserved a penalty. Assuming I didn't miss something blatant, I guess that's one of those judgment calls.

I think, technically, by the letter of the law, just putting the ball down on the ground at the back of the end-zone is an unsportsmanlike foul. It's silly, but...

NCAA Rulebook Wrote:After a score or any other play, the player in possession immediately must return the ball to an official or leave it near the dead-ball spot. This prohibits:
(a) Kicking, throwing, spinning or carrying (including off of the field)
the ball any distance that requires an official to retrieve it.
(b) Spiking the ball to the ground [
Exception: A forward pass to conserve time (Rule 7-3-2-f)].
(c ) Throwing the ball high into the air.
(d) Any other unsportsmanlike act or actions that delay the game.

Since he intentionally put the ball on the ground at the back of the end-zone instead of just dropping it, the official could have interpreted that as per the above. Not saying I agree, that's just what I think happened.

That could be it. Thanks.