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(09-09-2013 04:01 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 03:57 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 03:50 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Good gawd... I still don't see how things are so fundamentally off the tracks as you seem to think they are? Oh wait, PJ wasn't your choice so someone needs to take the blame for not consulting you first. Go fly a kite.

Didn't say he wasn't my choice. I'm suggesting that we might not be holding the right people accountable.

Accountable for what? Hiring a coach that hasn't had enough time on the job to even get to the MAC schedule. Who's been working his tail off to generate enthusiasm in the community, and who truely wants to create a top notch program? Help me out here... Seems a touch early to be throwing around words like accountability.

Accountable for not hiring the best available candidate.

(09-08-2013 03:19 PM)Broncobelt Wrote:  The administration stated he was hired to take us to the next level. That does not sound like a complete rebuild from the bottom up. Sounds more like build on what is there and make it better.

Just what did we have ??? Oh best offensive player out for the year. Several key defensive players also out, and an offensive line that is almost all new. In my world we weren't loaded for bear, or rockets or huskes etc.

We do have the 29th best recruiting class in the country coming in give it a little time then we'll actually see the real state of where this program under P.J, really is..

So I guess we don't care that we were just flat out embarrassed by a bad FCS team, we just wait til next year and anyone who wants to discuss around here gets shouted down.

(09-09-2013 04:32 PM)MRBUTTONS Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 03:19 PM)Broncobelt Wrote:  The administration stated he was hired to take us to the next level. That does not sound like a complete rebuild from the bottom up. Sounds more like build on what is there and make it better.

Just what did we have ??? Oh best offensive player out for the year. Several key defensive players also out, and an offensive line that is almost all new. In my world we weren't loaded for bear, or rockets or huskes etc.

We do have the 29th best recruiting class in the country coming in give it a little time then we'll actually see the real state of where this program under P.J, really is..

More than enough talent to beat a 1-10 FBS team using its third string QB.

(09-09-2013 04:31 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 04:01 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 03:57 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 03:50 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Good gawd... I still don't see how things are so fundamentally off the tracks as you seem to think they are? Oh wait, PJ wasn't your choice so someone needs to take the blame for not consulting you first. Go fly a kite.

Didn't say he wasn't my choice. I'm suggesting that we might not be holding the right people accountable.

Accountable for what? Hiring a coach that hasn't had enough time on the job to even get to the MAC schedule. Who's been working his tail off to generate enthusiasm in the community, and who truely wants to create a top notch program? Help me out here... Seems a touch early to be throwing around words like accountability.

Accountable for not hiring the best available candidate.

Do you have that list of candidates who actually would come to WMU, because last I heard at the time if wasn't riddled with much.

(09-09-2013 04:42 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 04:31 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 04:01 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 03:57 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 03:50 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  Good gawd... I still don't see how things are so fundamentally off the tracks as you seem to think they are? Oh wait, PJ wasn't your choice so someone needs to take the blame for not consulting you first. Go fly a kite.

Didn't say he wasn't my choice. I'm suggesting that we might not be holding the right people accountable.

Accountable for what? Hiring a coach that hasn't had enough time on the job to even get to the MAC schedule. Who's been working his tail off to generate enthusiasm in the community, and who truely wants to create a top notch program? Help me out here... Seems a touch early to be throwing around words like accountability.

Accountable for not hiring the best available candidate.

Do you have that list of candidates who actually would come to WMU, because last I heard at the time if wasn't riddled with much.

I know who accepted the job.

(09-09-2013 04:32 PM)MRBUTTONS Wrote:  

(09-08-2013 03:19 PM)Broncobelt Wrote:  The administration stated he was hired to take us to the next level. That does not sound like a complete rebuild from the bottom up. Sounds more like build on what is there and make it better.

Just what did we have ??? Oh best offensive player out for the year. Several key defensive players also out, and an offensive line that is almost all new. In my world we weren't loaded for bear, or rockets or huskes etc.

We do have the 29th best recruiting class in the country coming in give it a little time then we'll actually see the real state of where this program under P.J, really is..

They were down to their 4th choice of their qbs and they got it done. Qb is the position that many here are blaming this loss on. I blame the loss on who is in charge. So many simple coaching errors in this game that were silly. Not going for two to make it a 3 point game. Going hurry up with less than 5 min on the clock when all you need is a field goal not giving to qb any chance to check us into the right play. Punting in plus territory when we just needed a field goal. Play selection leading up to the punt. Going to the hurry up quick pitch 5 too many times where the backside lb had a free run to the rb. I could go on. But I would be wasting my time just like the rest of us. He is here and is either going to learn or he is going to continue to preach that everyone in the area needs to follow his lead or else? Which will end bad for all involved and we could really be EMU soon.

Bam.

So many of you on this board are worthy of respect and make great contributions to the quality of the discussion on the board. No doubt many of you have made great contributions to the success of WMU, for that I am grateful.

But......the snarling, quick to judge bloodthirsty pack that is emerging on this forum is shocking to me. A young man takes over the program and the Doogie Howser jokes start, and making fun of his motivational techniques roar unabated, some of you don't like his choice of words.

After only two games, many of you have deemed him to be a failure. How can that be? That's all he gets? Two games? Cubit had 8 years and never came close to a MAC championship game. Yet, even after Cubit's long history of mediocrity and failure in big games, a sizable number of you were pissed that he got let go. And that was after 8 years. Really? You're kidding.

If I didn't know better, I'd think this board was a collection of flawless overnight Nobel Laureates, overnight billionaires, Mensa members, Super Bowl winning coaches, members of multiple halls of fame, and prize winning journalists given the ease of which so many of you are so quick to harshly criticize with so little evidence.

Do none of you invest long term in the stock market and have to wait through ups and downs for profits? Have none of you never farmed and had to wait for the crops to come in? Do none of you have any patience? With the group of jackels that this board seems to have become, any sane coach would not come anywhere near WMU.

(09-09-2013 05:33 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  So many of you on this board are worthy of respect and make great contributions to the quality of the discussion on the board. No doubt many of you have made great contributions to the success of WMU, for that I am grateful.

But......the snarling, quick to judge bloodthirsty pack that is emerging on this forum is shocking to me. A young man takes over the program and the Doogie Howser jokes start, and making fun of his motivational techniques roar unabated, some of you don't like his choice of words.

After only two games, many of you have deemed him to be a failure. How can that be? That's all he gets? Two games? Cubit had 8 years and never came close to a MAC championship game. Yet, even after Cubit's long history of mediocrity and failure in big games, a sizable number of you were pissed that he got let go. And that was after 8 years. Really? You're kidding.

If I didn't know better, I'd think this board was a collection of flawless overnight Nobel Laureates, overnight billionaires, Mensa members, Super Bowl winning coaches, members of multiple halls of fame, and prize winning journalists given the ease of which so many of you are so quick to harshly criticize with so little evidence.

Do none of you invest long term in the stock market and have to wait through ups and downs for profits? Have none of you never farmed and had to wait for the crops to come in? Do none of you have any patience? With the group of jackels that this board seems to have become, any sane coach would not come anywhere near WMU.

Thank you. I couldn't have put this to words better.

No one gives me or my consultants a hall pass because they like them.

Not sure why we give this guy so much consideration. Why should we extend so much patience his way? Serious question.

I will add I am trying to stick to coaching not the antics anymore.

You may be right. I won 3 games my first 3 years as a head coach but I was taking over Nicholls playing Oregon. I won all the games I was supposed to and kept the scores down in the rest. One differences is that I didn't tell the public what I was going to do, I told the players. I was never vince Lombardi but I know football and can break down coaching decisions in real time like PJ has to do. His 4th and 5th years might be like mine were and we would all be happy.

I don't have 5 years.

No alternative except to get upset. He is here. The AD who hired him is here. We don't have a deep donor base for buyouts anyway. Recent history has shown that this is not a well thought of coaching job. You are either all in or just sort of unhappy with no recourse except to watch other teams for a few years which most hardcore WMU fans detest doing.

Or you've got the buyout money. In which case where were you when we were trying to hire a coach?

(09-09-2013 05:38 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  No one gives me or my consultants a hall pass because they like them.

Not sure why we give this guy so much consideration. Why should we extend so much patience his way? Serious question.

Here's what makes me crazy: I don't like him, or dislike him. I'm waiting for the evidence to come in before i draw any conclusions. Two games is not enough evidence, eight years is enough evidence.

Should he have lost to Nicholls st.? Check yes or no

Should he be held accountable? Check yes or no

There is no reason for anyone to be happy right now, what does him losing to a terrible team tell you about his gameday abilities? I wasn't aware that being the HC of a D1 program was a learn on the job gig. I'm sure chuck Norris will let you borrow his pom poms if you need to.

One loss doesn't mean he deserves to be fired.

On the same token:

Did Cubit win a MAC championship? Check yes or no

Did Cubit win the MAC West? Check yes or no

Did Cubit win a bowl game? Check yes or no

Should Cubit have been held accountable?


The difference is that one coach had 8 YEARS, the other has had 2 games.

(09-09-2013 05:42 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 05:38 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  No one gives me or my consultants a hall pass because they like them.

Not sure why we give this guy so much consideration. Why should we extend so much patience his way? Serious question.

Here's what makes me crazy: I don't like him, or dislike him. I'm waiting for the evidence to come in before i draw any conclusions. Two games is not enough evidence, eight years is enough evidence.

If we are supposed to be behind this without a critical opinion, please advise. I disagree he gets a pass especially after this last game.

That's where we diverge.

(09-09-2013 05:44 PM)Cubit4pres Wrote:  Should he have lost to Nicholls st.? Check yes or no

Should he be held accountable? Check yes or no

There is no reason for anyone to be happy right now, what does him losing to a terrible team tell you about his gameday abilities? I wasn't aware that being the HC of a D1 program was a learn on the job gig. I'm sure chuck Norris will let you borrow his pom poms if you need to.

Look, I don't need pon poms. What I need is more than two games worth of evidence. Now, let me as ask you a question: should Cubit have gone 3-5 against CMU? Should Cubit have failed to win any kind of championship?

(09-09-2013 05:47 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 05:42 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  

(09-09-2013 05:38 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  No one gives me or my consultants a hall pass because they like them.

Not sure why we give this guy so much consideration. Why should we extend so much patience his way? Serious question.

Here's what makes me crazy: I don't like him, or dislike him. I'm waiting for the evidence to come in before i draw any conclusions. Two games is not enough evidence, eight years is enough evidence.

If we are supposed to be behind this without a critical opinion, please advise. I disagree he gets a pass especially after this last game.


That's where we diverge.

In order to have informed critical dialogue, you need a decent sample size, two games ain't enough of a size to form a reasonable opinion.