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RE: October 4 BOV Meeting -- Carr Report to be discussed
(09-10-2013 11:17 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 07:04 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 10:20 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  
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(09-09-2013 08:31 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Then what you have heard is wrong. No such "approval to pursue FBS" has been sanctioned by the BOV, only the approval to have a consultant's report generated.

Longhorn is correct, as usual. JMU is a public agency and if the BOV had voted on a move to FBS there would have been a motion and it would have made the minutes. No such vote has taken place. The October BOV meeting should be quite busy.

So the BOV didn't have to approve engaging the Carr agency in the study? Anyway, I thought if they did it in a closed session it didn't have to be publicly announced.

Either you didn't read my first response, or didn't understand it. To repeat, the only action the BOV has taken is to allow the Carr report to take place. Sanctioning a report to study the feasibility of JMU moving to FBS level football does not mean the BOV's officially endorsed or approved such a move. Any action of that nature would occur only after the report is submitted to the BOV.

All metaphors are flawed, but let me try to illustrate this in a different way. The BOV's sanctioning the Carr report is like a court authorizing an official pre-trial investigation. We suspect something (in this case a move to FBS is necessary or desirable), but we need the facts. Once the facts are in from the pre-trial investigation (Carr report), the state atty. (JMU's Pres) will submit the report's findings to the court (JMU's BOV), after which the court will decide whether a trial is warranted.

If the facts don't warrant a trial, we stay FCS. If the facts warrant a trial, due process will be granted to all interested parties, like faculty, etc. Only after the trial and all parties have had their day in court will JMU's BOV render a final decision about the move. That decision could still be to remain FCS (unlikely)...but again, the decision has yet to be made.

Couldn't you have said "No, they don't need to vote to perform a feasibility study." without being condescending and rude?

That's on you if you're reading it that way.
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RE: October 4 BOV Meeting -- Carr Report to be discussed
(09-10-2013 11:20 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 11:17 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 07:04 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 10:20 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 08:42 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  Longhorn is correct, as usual. JMU is a public agency and if the BOV had voted on a move to FBS there would have been a motion and it would have made the minutes. No such vote has taken place. The October BOV meeting should be quite busy.

So the BOV didn't have to approve engaging the Carr agency in the study? Anyway, I thought if they did it in a closed session it didn't have to be publicly announced.

Either you didn't read my first response, or didn't understand it. To repeat, the only action the BOV has taken is to allow the Carr report to take place. Sanctioning a report to study the feasibility of JMU moving to FBS level football does not mean the BOV's officially endorsed or approved such a move. Any action of that nature would occur only after the report is submitted to the BOV.

All metaphors are flawed, but let me try to illustrate this in a different way. The BOV's sanctioning the Carr report is like a court authorizing an official pre-trial investigation. We suspect something (in this case a move to FBS is necessary or desirable), but we need the facts. Once the facts are in from the pre-trial investigation (Carr report), the state atty. (JMU's Pres) will submit the report's findings to the court (JMU's BOV), after which the court will decide whether a trial is warranted.

If the facts don't warrant a trial, we stay FCS. If the facts warrant a trial, due process will be granted to all interested parties, like faculty, etc. Only after the trial and all parties have had their day in court will JMU's BOV render a final decision about the move. That decision could still be to remain FCS (unlikely)...but again, the decision has yet to be made.

Couldn't you have said "No, they don't need to vote to perform a feasibility study." without being condescending and rude?

That's on you if you're reading it that way.

"Either you didn't read my first response, or didn't understand it. To repeat..."

If that's not condescending, then nothing is. You basically told him he is either stupid, or lazy, then go into a soap-box academic type lesson, which doing to a fellow Duke is rude as hell.
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(09-10-2013 11:27 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  "Either you didn't read my first response, or didn't understand it. To repeat..."

If that's not condescending, then nothing is. You basically told him he is either stupid, or lazy, then go into a soap-box academic type lesson, which doing to a fellow Duke is rude as hell.

I had him as a professor...his acting like this is nothing new...
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(09-10-2013 11:27 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  If that's not condescending, then nothing is. You basically told him he is either stupid, or lazy, then go into a soap-box academic type lesson, which doing to a fellow Duke is rude as hell.

That behavior happens with several posters in almost every thread every day. No need to call Longhorn out for it.
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(09-10-2013 12:11 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  That behavior happens with several posters in almost every thread every day. No need to call Longhorn out for it.

This seems like a really dumb defense to me. Unless 500 daily wrongs, unbeknownst to me, actually do make a right.
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RE: October 4 BOV Meeting -- Carr Report to be discussed
(09-10-2013 11:27 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 11:20 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 11:17 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 07:04 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 10:20 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  So the BOV didn't have to approve engaging the Carr agency in the study? Anyway, I thought if they did it in a closed session it didn't have to be publicly announced.

Either you didn't read my first response, or didn't understand it. To repeat, the only action the BOV has taken is to allow the Carr report to take place. Sanctioning a report to study the feasibility of JMU moving to FBS level football does not mean the BOV's officially endorsed or approved such a move. Any action of that nature would occur only after the report is submitted to the BOV.

All metaphors are flawed, but let me try to illustrate this in a different way. The BOV's sanctioning the Carr report is like a court authorizing an official pre-trial investigation. We suspect something (in this case a move to FBS is necessary or desirable), but we need the facts. Once the facts are in from the pre-trial investigation (Carr report), the state atty. (JMU's Pres) will submit the report's findings to the court (JMU's BOV), after which the court will decide whether a trial is warranted.

If the facts don't warrant a trial, we stay FCS. If the facts warrant a trial, due process will be granted to all interested parties, like faculty, etc. Only after the trial and all parties have had their day in court will JMU's BOV render a final decision about the move. That decision could still be to remain FCS (unlikely)...but again, the decision has yet to be made.

Couldn't you have said "No, they don't need to vote to perform a feasibility study." without being condescending and rude?

That's on you if you're reading it that way.

"Either you didn't read my first response, or didn't understand it. To repeat..."

If that's not condescending, then nothing is. You basically told him he is either stupid, or lazy, then go into a soap-box academic type lesson, which doing to a fellow Duke is rude as hell.

Once again, that's all on you. Then again, stupid is as stupid does I suppose. I'll be sure to have you proof everything I write from now on. 03-lmfao
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RE: October 4 BOV Meeting -- Carr Report to be discussed
(09-10-2013 12:41 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 11:27 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 11:20 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 11:17 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 07:04 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Either you didn't read my first response, or didn't understand it. To repeat, the only action the BOV has taken is to allow the Carr report to take place. Sanctioning a report to study the feasibility of JMU moving to FBS level football does not mean the BOV's officially endorsed or approved such a move. Any action of that nature would occur only after the report is submitted to the BOV.

All metaphors are flawed, but let me try to illustrate this in a different way. The BOV's sanctioning the Carr report is like a court authorizing an official pre-trial investigation. We suspect something (in this case a move to FBS is necessary or desirable), but we need the facts. Once the facts are in from the pre-trial investigation (Carr report), the state atty. (JMU's Pres) will submit the report's findings to the court (JMU's BOV), after which the court will decide whether a trial is warranted.

If the facts don't warrant a trial, we stay FCS. If the facts warrant a trial, due process will be granted to all interested parties, like faculty, etc. Only after the trial and all parties have had their day in court will JMU's BOV render a final decision about the move. That decision could still be to remain FCS (unlikely)...but again, the decision has yet to be made.

Couldn't you have said "No, they don't need to vote to perform a feasibility study." without being condescending and rude?

That's on you if you're reading it that way.

"Either you didn't read my first response, or didn't understand it. To repeat..."

If that's not condescending, then nothing is. You basically told him he is either stupid, or lazy, then go into a soap-box academic type lesson, which doing to a fellow Duke is rude as hell.

Once again, that's all on you. Then again, stupid is as stupid does I suppose. I'll be sure to have you proof everything I write from now on. 03-lmfao

The shame of it is that I used to naively believe JMU only hired good professors. Mistakes do happen from time to time I suppose. 03-wink
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RE: October 4 BOV Meeting -- Carr Report to be discussed
(09-10-2013 11:17 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 07:04 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 10:20 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 08:42 PM)HotHamandCheese84 Wrote:  
(09-09-2013 08:31 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  Then what you have heard is wrong. No such "approval to pursue FBS" has been sanctioned by the BOV, only the approval to have a consultant's report generated.

Longhorn is correct, as usual. JMU is a public agency and if the BOV had voted on a move to FBS there would have been a motion and it would have made the minutes. No such vote has taken place. The October BOV meeting should be quite busy.

So the BOV didn't have to approve engaging the Carr agency in the study? Anyway, I thought if they did it in a closed session it didn't have to be publicly announced.

Either you didn't read my first response, or didn't understand it. To repeat, the only action the BOV has taken is to allow the Carr report to take place. Sanctioning a report to study the feasibility of JMU moving to FBS level football does not mean the BOV's officially endorsed or approved such a move. Any action of that nature would occur only after the report is submitted to the BOV.

All metaphors are flawed, but let me try to illustrate this in a different way. The BOV's sanctioning the Carr report is like a court authorizing an official pre-trial investigation. We suspect something (in this case a move to FBS is necessary or desirable), but we need the facts. Once the facts are in from the pre-trial investigation (Carr report), the state atty. (JMU's Pres) will submit the report's findings to the court (JMU's BOV), after which the court will decide whether a trial is warranted.

If the facts don't warrant a trial, we stay FCS. If the facts warrant a trial, due process will be granted to all interested parties, like faculty, etc. Only after the trial and all parties have had their day in court will JMU's BOV render a final decision about the move. That decision could still be to remain FCS (unlikely)...but again, the decision has yet to be made.

Couldn't you have said "No, they don't need to vote to perform a feasibility study." without being condescending and rude?


No, he literally cannot.



(09-10-2013 12:41 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 11:27 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 11:20 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 11:17 AM)JMaddy Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 07:04 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  Either you didn't read my first response, or didn't understand it. To repeat, the only action the BOV has taken is to allow the Carr report to take place. Sanctioning a report to study the feasibility of JMU moving to FBS level football does not mean the BOV's officially endorsed or approved such a move. Any action of that nature would occur only after the report is submitted to the BOV.

All metaphors are flawed, but let me try to illustrate this in a different way. The BOV's sanctioning the Carr report is like a court authorizing an official pre-trial investigation. We suspect something (in this case a move to FBS is necessary or desirable), but we need the facts. Once the facts are in from the pre-trial investigation (Carr report), the state atty. (JMU's Pres) will submit the report's findings to the court (JMU's BOV), after which the court will decide whether a trial is warranted.

If the facts don't warrant a trial, we stay FCS. If the facts warrant a trial, due process will be granted to all interested parties, like faculty, etc. Only after the trial and all parties have had their day in court will JMU's BOV render a final decision about the move. That decision could still be to remain FCS (unlikely)...but again, the decision has yet to be made.

Couldn't you have said "No, they don't need to vote to perform a feasibility study." without being condescending and rude?

That's on you if you're reading it that way.

"Either you didn't read my first response, or didn't understand it. To repeat..."

If that's not condescending, then nothing is. You basically told him he is either stupid, or lazy, then go into a soap-box academic type lesson, which doing to a fellow Duke is rude as hell.

Once again, that's all on you. Then again, stupid is as stupid does I suppose. I'll be sure to have you proof everything I write from now on. 03-lmfao

See?
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Seriously, once this "process" is over and we do wind up in an FBS conference what are we all going to b!tch and moan about?
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(09-10-2013 01:37 PM)JMU Wrote:  Seriously, once this "process" is over and we do wind up in an FBS conference what are we all going to b!tch and moan about?

Possibilities are endless.

1. Firing Mickey.
2. Firing Bourne
3. How incompetent our admin is because they can't schedule Notre Dame in Bridgeforth

Plenty of others too
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(09-10-2013 01:47 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 01:37 PM)JMU Wrote:  Seriously, once this "process" is over and we do wind up in an FBS conference what are we all going to b!tch and moan about?

Possibilities are endless.

1. Firing Mickey.
2. Firing Bourne
3. How incompetent our admin is because they can't schedule Notre Dame in Bridgeforth

Plenty of others too

Changes to our new "sassy" basketball court, Stadium Expansion, Uniform Changes...
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(09-10-2013 01:57 PM)jmusuperfan Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 01:47 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 01:37 PM)JMU Wrote:  Seriously, once this "process" is over and we do wind up in an FBS conference what are we all going to b!tch and moan about?

Possibilities are endless.

1. Firing Mickey.
2. Firing Bourne
3. How incompetent our admin is because they can't schedule Notre Dame in Bridgeforth

Plenty of others too

Changes to our new "sassy" basketball court, Stadium Expansion, Uniform Changes...

Absence of hard copy game programs.
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Haha... I think JB will get a reprieve until number 3 (scheduling) or the new basketball arena doesn't develop fast enough.

All else is fair game.
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I challenge you guys to find a board that has a passionate fan base that isn't bitching about something dumb constantly.

I live in Baltimore city and you would think the Ravens just finished 5-11 by the way some people whined about their offseason moves.
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Title IX, noon games, the amount of stairs between the stadium and D Hall, Aggressive Campus Cops, Students leaving at halftime, lack of pewter front license plates at the bookstore, updated Duke Dog imposter, all things ODU, and other such ridiculousness.
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(09-10-2013 03:16 PM)All Dukes_All Day Wrote:  I challenge you guys to find a board that has a passionate fan base that isn't bitching about something dumb constantly.

I live in Baltimore city and you would think the Ravens just finished 5-11 by the way some people whined about their offseason moves.

I also live in Baltimore City and they are driving me crazy with their Doomsday talking. It is insane.
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(09-10-2013 03:17 PM)Madisonian Wrote:  Title IX, noon games, the amount of stairs between the stadium and D Hall, Aggressive Campus Cops, Students leaving at halftime, lack of pewter front license plates at the bookstore, updated Duke Dog imposter, all things ODU, and other such ridiculousness.

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(09-10-2013 03:22 PM)JMU Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 03:17 PM)Madisonian Wrote:  Title IX, noon games, the amount of stairs between the stadium and D Hall, Aggressive Campus Cops, Students leaving at halftime, lack of pewter front license plates at the bookstore, updated Duke Dog imposter, all things ODU, and other such ridiculousness.

03-nutkick
1st: Ouch. 2nd: Hey, hey, hey...those complaints are legit. That outdoor escalator is well past due.
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(09-10-2013 03:53 PM)Madisonian Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 03:22 PM)JMU Wrote:  
(09-10-2013 03:17 PM)Madisonian Wrote:  Title IX, noon games, the amount of stairs between the stadium and D Hall, Aggressive Campus Cops, Students leaving at halftime, lack of pewter front license plates at the bookstore, updated Duke Dog imposter, all things ODU, and other such ridiculousness.

03-nutkick
1st: Ouch. 2nd: Hey, hey, hey...those complaints are legit. That outdoor escalator is well past due.

One is needed for the hill up to the Convo too. That climb after an afternoon of tailgating and four quarters of rootin' fer Dukes is hard.
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(09-10-2013 03:16 PM)JMU Wrote:  Haha... I think JB will get a reprieve until number 3 (scheduling) or the new basketball arena doesn't develop fast enough.

All else is fair game.

I don't remember the poster but we had a "friend in high places told me it's not Bourne screwing JMU for CAA love" post recently. I'm trying to believe, it's been a decade I've thought Bourne is a Yeager Brownnoser . Maybe, when Bourne is Alger's direct report we will find that JB's testicles have dropped. I hope so because I believe JB will be JMU AD for 25 more years regardless of performance.
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