(09-06-2013 10:48 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  New England isnt a state but the name was chosen to attract fans from the whole north east area and not just Boston

Well, they were originally the Boston Patriots. Switching to "New England" was more about making lemonade from their failure to get a stadium built in Boston. "Massachusetts" is a bit of a mouthful, so sports teams rarely use it. Hence "UMass".

(09-06-2013 11:03 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:48 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  New England isnt a state but the name was chosen to attract fans from the whole north east area and not just Boston

Well, they were originally the Boston Patriots. Switching to "New England" was more about making lemonade from their failure to get a stadium built in Boston. "Massachusetts" is a bit of a mouthful, so sports teams rarely use it. Hence "UMass".

That's what happens when you let Brits have free reign to name things. They drag some ancient Anglo or Saxon into the mix, that nobody in the new land understands - or cares about...

(09-06-2013 11:03 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:48 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  New England isnt a state but the name was chosen to attract fans from the whole north east area and not just Boston

Well, they were originally the Boston Patriots. Switching to "New England" was more about making lemonade from their failure to get a stadium built in Boston. "Massachusetts" is a bit of a mouthful, so sports teams rarely use it. Hence "UMass".

Exactly. The Rays play in St. Pete, but no one insisted on geographical correctness when they redid there name. Tampa Bay is the effective region they are marketing themselves to. The GS Warriors went with a regional name when they moved from San Francisco to Oakland.

But none of the situations we are discussing are as bad as the city of Anaheim's mandate that any pro team insides its city limits must incorporate the city name.

(09-06-2013 10:48 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  New England isnt a state but the name was chosen to attract fans from the whole north east area and not just Boston

Rhode Island Patriot is not in Boston.

(09-06-2013 10:49 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:27 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 08:42 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 03:38 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 03:21 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  It's supposed to be a regional/state designation, much like NE (self explanatory), Golden State (the Bay Area) and I would even argue Green Bay (Wisconsin and Upper Peninsula). Despite the location of the stadium, the hope was to attract fans from both states.

Then can you explain the Carolina Hurricanes? They are in Raleigh, the state capital of North Carolina.

I would argue that the Hockey team is called Carolina b/c it had more notoriety than Raleigh and they were trying to appeal to the entire state.

"Carolina" isn't a state. I think they should be the North Carolina Hurricanes

Does anybody think the Hurricanes represent SC? I'd never heard that before. I do know the Panthers are supposed to represent both NC and SC. The Panther's first games were held in SC and that's where they hold training camp so I get that.

Well I learned something today. I thought that they were just NC.

Do they have a strong following in SC? I have absolutely no personal knowledge or evidence to back this up, but I feel like their following is stronger in NC.

(09-06-2013 01:04 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:49 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:27 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 08:42 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 03:38 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Then can you explain the Carolina Hurricanes? They are in Raleigh, the state capital of North Carolina.

I would argue that the Hockey team is called Carolina b/c it had more notoriety than Raleigh and they were trying to appeal to the entire state.

"Carolina" isn't a state. I think they should be the North Carolina Hurricanes

Does anybody think the Hurricanes represent SC? I'd never heard that before. I do know the Panthers are supposed to represent both NC and SC. The Panther's first games were held in SC and that's where they hold training camp so I get that.

Well I learned something today. I thought that they were just NC.

Do they have a strong following in SC? I have absolutely no personal knowledge or evidence to back this up, but I feel like their following is stronger in NC.

They have a stronger following in NC because they are in NC and NC has over twice the population of SC.

(09-06-2013 11:52 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 11:03 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:48 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  New England isnt a state but the name was chosen to attract fans from the whole north east area and not just Boston

Well, they were originally the Boston Patriots. Switching to "New England" was more about making lemonade from their failure to get a stadium built in Boston. "Massachusetts" is a bit of a mouthful, so sports teams rarely use it. Hence "UMass".

That's what happens when you let Brits have free reign to name things. They drag some ancient Anglo or Saxon into the mix, that nobody in the new land understands - or cares about...

Massachusetts was the name that the local Indian tribe called themselves. Just fyi, it had nothing to do with an Anglo or Saxon name.

A lot of the states that were named after Anglo-Saxons are pretty easy to pronounce. Virginia (named after the virgin queen Elizabeth), Georgia (named after King George I), Carolina (named after Charles I). The more difficult ones, like Connecticut, Illinois, Massachusetts, and Mississippi, are bastardized French versions of local Algonquin names.

(09-06-2013 01:14 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 01:04 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:49 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:27 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 08:42 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I would argue that the Hockey team is called Carolina b/c it had more notoriety than Raleigh and they were trying to appeal to the entire state.

"Carolina" isn't a state. I think they should be the North Carolina Hurricanes

Does anybody think the Hurricanes represent SC? I'd never heard that before. I do know the Panthers are supposed to represent both NC and SC. The Panther's first games were held in SC and that's where they hold training camp so I get that.

Well I learned something today. I thought that they were just NC.

Do they have a strong following in SC? I have absolutely no personal knowledge or evidence to back this up, but I feel like their following is stronger in NC.

They have a stronger following in NC because they are in NC and NC has over twice the population of SC.

As a function of percentage of the population, what would estimate their following to be in the two states?

(09-06-2013 01:04 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:49 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:27 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 08:42 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-05-2013 03:38 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  Then can you explain the Carolina Hurricanes? They are in Raleigh, the state capital of North Carolina.

I would argue that the Hockey team is called Carolina b/c it had more notoriety than Raleigh and they were trying to appeal to the entire state.

"Carolina" isn't a state. I think they should be the North Carolina Hurricanes

Does anybody think the Hurricanes represent SC? I'd never heard that before. I do know the Panthers are supposed to represent both NC and SC. The Panther's first games were held in SC and that's where they hold training camp so I get that.

Well I learned something today. I thought that they were just NC.

Do they have a strong following in SC? I have absolutely no personal knowledge or evidence to back this up, but I feel like their following is stronger in NC.

It's nowhere near as strong as the Panthers and the NFL would like you to think it is. I would imagine that they fall behind the Redskins (most of SC was Redskins territory broadcast-wise before the Panthers were created) Falcons (what areas didn't get the Skins got the Falcons) Cowboys, and Steelers. I would probably put Panther support neck in neck with Packers and Browns to be honest. (Lots of industries moved to SC from WI and Ohio.)

Quite honestly even after 20 years, and despite them playing their first season in Death Valley and holding training camp at Wofford College (Their owner is a Wofford Grad and former All American receiver for the Terriers), there is little connection between the team and the state of SC. A big part of it is being from the South.....we aren't as consumed with the NFL as the folks up north are. College football is, was, and always will be first and foremost the top of the game here.

(09-06-2013 04:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 01:04 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:49 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:27 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 08:42 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  I would argue that the Hockey team is called Carolina b/c it had more notoriety than Raleigh and they were trying to appeal to the entire state.

"Carolina" isn't a state. I think they should be the North Carolina Hurricanes

Does anybody think the Hurricanes represent SC? I'd never heard that before. I do know the Panthers are supposed to represent both NC and SC. The Panther's first games were held in SC and that's where they hold training camp so I get that.

Well I learned something today. I thought that they were just NC.

Do they have a strong following in SC? I have absolutely no personal knowledge or evidence to back this up, but I feel like their following is stronger in NC.

It's nowhere near as strong as the Panthers and the NFL would like you to think it is. I would imagine that they fall behind the Redskins (most of SC was Redskins territory broadcast-wise before the Panthers were created) Falcons (what areas didn't get the Skins got the Falcons) Cowboys, and Steelers. I would probably put Panther support neck in neck with Packers and Browns to be honest. (Lots of industries moved to SC from WI and Ohio.)

Quite honestly even after 20 years, and despite them playing their first season in Death Valley and holding training camp at Wofford College (Their owner is a Wofford Grad and former All American receiver for the Terriers), there is little connection between the team and the state of SC. A big part of it is being from the South.....we aren't as consumed with the NFL as the folks up north are. College football is, was, and always will be first and foremost the top of the game here.

1. The Carolina Panthers name was chosen to represent North and South Carolina. If you live in NC outside of the Charlotte metro, you tend to think of Charlotte as not NC, but not quite SC. Trust me, you have to be here to understand. The Charlotte metro in South Carolina, around the counties of York, Lancaster, Chester, Chesterfield, and down I-85 to Gaffney - home of the Big Peach. Areas inside the CBS, Channel 3 viewing radius. Now, once you get to Myrtle Beach, Columbia and Spartanburg, it drops off and I agree that the Redskins and the Falcons would take over.

2. The Carolina Hurricanes represent the Triangle - the Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill metro area.

3. "Carolina" means UNC. Always has.

4. South Carolina is South Carolina, ask a Clemson fan. They don't call USC - "Carolina".

5. Next question?

PS - the real genesis of the use of the name "Carolina" fill in the blank started with the Carolina Cougars of the old ABA basketball league, back in the late 60's or early 70's. They knocked around Charlotte and Raleigh, perhaps Greensboro, but that set the general precedence. Plus the name "Charlotte" is unpopular in parts of NC due in part to cultural differences.

(09-06-2013 02:52 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 11:52 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 11:03 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:48 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  New England isnt a state but the name was chosen to attract fans from the whole north east area and not just Boston

Well, they were originally the Boston Patriots. Switching to "New England" was more about making lemonade from their failure to get a stadium built in Boston. "Massachusetts" is a bit of a mouthful, so sports teams rarely use it. Hence "UMass".

That's what happens when you let Brits have free reign to name things. They drag some ancient Anglo or Saxon into the mix, that nobody in the new land understands - or cares about...

Massachusetts was the name that the local Indian tribe called themselves. Just fyi, it had nothing to do with an Anglo or Saxon name.

A lot of the states that were named after Anglo-Saxons are pretty easy to pronounce. Virginia (named after the virgin queen Elizabeth), Georgia (named after King George I), Carolina (named after Charles I). The more difficult ones, like Connecticut, Illinois, Massachusetts, and Mississippi, are bastardized French versions of local Algonquin names.

Kind of like how Chicago is a bastardization of Chi-ca-gu, a local Indian name for the river, which means "Bad Smell"...

(09-06-2013 04:37 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 02:52 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 11:52 AM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 11:03 AM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:48 AM)10thMountain Wrote:  New England isnt a state but the name was chosen to attract fans from the whole north east area and not just Boston

Well, they were originally the Boston Patriots. Switching to "New England" was more about making lemonade from their failure to get a stadium built in Boston. "Massachusetts" is a bit of a mouthful, so sports teams rarely use it. Hence "UMass".

That's what happens when you let Brits have free reign to name things. They drag some ancient Anglo or Saxon into the mix, that nobody in the new land understands - or cares about...

Massachusetts was the name that the local Indian tribe called themselves. Just fyi, it had nothing to do with an Anglo or Saxon name.

A lot of the states that were named after Anglo-Saxons are pretty easy to pronounce. Virginia (named after the virgin queen Elizabeth), Georgia (named after King George I), Carolina (named after Charles I). The more difficult ones, like Connecticut, Illinois, Massachusetts, and Mississippi, are bastardized French versions of local Algonquin names.

Kind of like how Chicago is a bastardization of Chi-ca-gu, a local Indian name for the river, which means "Bad Smell"...

Beaufort NC, and Beaufort SC have to different pronunciations - NC is BOW furt. SC is BU furt, with a long dipthong U. This is one of the ways you can discern a tar heel from a sand lapper.

(09-06-2013 04:35 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 04:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 01:04 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:49 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:27 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  "Carolina" isn't a state. I think they should be the North Carolina Hurricanes

Does anybody think the Hurricanes represent SC? I'd never heard that before. I do know the Panthers are supposed to represent both NC and SC. The Panther's first games were held in SC and that's where they hold training camp so I get that.

Well I learned something today. I thought that they were just NC.

Do they have a strong following in SC? I have absolutely no personal knowledge or evidence to back this up, but I feel like their following is stronger in NC.

It's nowhere near as strong as the Panthers and the NFL would like you to think it is. I would imagine that they fall behind the Redskins (most of SC was Redskins territory broadcast-wise before the Panthers were created) Falcons (what areas didn't get the Skins got the Falcons) Cowboys, and Steelers. I would probably put Panther support neck in neck with Packers and Browns to be honest. (Lots of industries moved to SC from WI and Ohio.)

Quite honestly even after 20 years, and despite them playing their first season in Death Valley and holding training camp at Wofford College (Their owner is a Wofford Grad and former All American receiver for the Terriers), there is little connection between the team and the state of SC. A big part of it is being from the South.....we aren't as consumed with the NFL as the folks up north are. College football is, was, and always will be first and foremost the top of the game here.

1. The Carolina Panthers name was chosen to represent North and South Carolina. If you live in NC outside of the Charlotte metro, you tend to think of Charlotte as not NC, but not quite SC. Trust me, you have to be here to understand. The Charlotte metro in South Carolina, around the counties of York, Lancaster, Chester, Chesterfield, and down I-85 to Gaffney - home of the Big Peach. Areas inside the CBS, Channel 3 viewing radius. Now, once you get to Myrtle Beach, Columbia and Spartanburg, it drops off and I agree that the Redskins and the Falcons would take over.

2. The Carolina Hurricanes represent the Triangle - the Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill metro area.

3. "Carolina" means UNC. Always has.

4. South Carolina is South Carolina, ask a Clemson fan. They don't call USC - "Carolina".

5. Next question?

PS - the real genesis of the use of the name "Carolina" fill in the blank started with the Carolina Cougars of the old ABA basketball league, back in the late 60's or early 70's. They knocked around Charlotte and Raleigh, perhaps Greensboro, but that set the general precedence. Plus the name "Charlotte" is unpopular in parts of NC due in part to cultural differences.

North Carolina is UNC, South Carolina is South Carolina.

If you live in the research triangle, "carolina" is UNC. Likewise if you live in South Carolina, "Carolina" mean South Carolina.

People nationwide don't make much of a distinction either way unless it's college basketball

(09-06-2013 06:06 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 04:35 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 04:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 01:04 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 10:49 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Does anybody think the Hurricanes represent SC? I'd never heard that before. I do know the Panthers are supposed to represent both NC and SC. The Panther's first games were held in SC and that's where they hold training camp so I get that.

Well I learned something today. I thought that they were just NC.

Do they have a strong following in SC? I have absolutely no personal knowledge or evidence to back this up, but I feel like their following is stronger in NC.

It's nowhere near as strong as the Panthers and the NFL would like you to think it is. I would imagine that they fall behind the Redskins (most of SC was Redskins territory broadcast-wise before the Panthers were created) Falcons (what areas didn't get the Skins got the Falcons) Cowboys, and Steelers. I would probably put Panther support neck in neck with Packers and Browns to be honest. (Lots of industries moved to SC from WI and Ohio.)

Quite honestly even after 20 years, and despite them playing their first season in Death Valley and holding training camp at Wofford College (Their owner is a Wofford Grad and former All American receiver for the Terriers), there is little connection between the team and the state of SC. A big part of it is being from the South.....we aren't as consumed with the NFL as the folks up north are. College football is, was, and always will be first and foremost the top of the game here.

1. The Carolina Panthers name was chosen to represent North and South Carolina. If you live in NC outside of the Charlotte metro, you tend to think of Charlotte as not NC, but not quite SC. Trust me, you have to be here to understand. The Charlotte metro in South Carolina, around the counties of York, Lancaster, Chester, Chesterfield, and down I-85 to Gaffney - home of the Big Peach. Areas inside the CBS, Channel 3 viewing radius. Now, once you get to Myrtle Beach, Columbia and Spartanburg, it drops off and I agree that the Redskins and the Falcons would take over.

2. The Carolina Hurricanes represent the Triangle - the Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill metro area.

3. "Carolina" means UNC. Always has.

4. South Carolina is South Carolina, ask a Clemson fan. They don't call USC - "Carolina".

5. Next question?

PS - the real genesis of the use of the name "Carolina" fill in the blank started with the Carolina Cougars of the old ABA basketball league, back in the late 60's or early 70's. They knocked around Charlotte and Raleigh, perhaps Greensboro, but that set the general precedence. Plus the name "Charlotte" is unpopular in parts of NC due in part to cultural differences.

North Carolina is UNC, South Carolina is South Carolina.

If you live in the research triangle, "carolina" is UNC. Likewise if you live in South Carolina, "Carolina" mean South Carolina.

People nationwide don't make much of a distinction either way unless it's college basketball

If you live in North Carolina, Carolina is the heels. If you live is SC, Carolina is the Gamecocks. If you live anywhere else in the world, which I have lived many places being in the Army, Carolina means UNC basketball.

(09-06-2013 06:14 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 06:06 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 04:35 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 04:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 01:04 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Well I learned something today. I thought that they were just NC.

Do they have a strong following in SC? I have absolutely no personal knowledge or evidence to back this up, but I feel like their following is stronger in NC.

It's nowhere near as strong as the Panthers and the NFL would like you to think it is. I would imagine that they fall behind the Redskins (most of SC was Redskins territory broadcast-wise before the Panthers were created) Falcons (what areas didn't get the Skins got the Falcons) Cowboys, and Steelers. I would probably put Panther support neck in neck with Packers and Browns to be honest. (Lots of industries moved to SC from WI and Ohio.)

Quite honestly even after 20 years, and despite them playing their first season in Death Valley and holding training camp at Wofford College (Their owner is a Wofford Grad and former All American receiver for the Terriers), there is little connection between the team and the state of SC. A big part of it is being from the South.....we aren't as consumed with the NFL as the folks up north are. College football is, was, and always will be first and foremost the top of the game here.

1. The Carolina Panthers name was chosen to represent North and South Carolina. If you live in NC outside of the Charlotte metro, you tend to think of Charlotte as not NC, but not quite SC. Trust me, you have to be here to understand. The Charlotte metro in South Carolina, around the counties of York, Lancaster, Chester, Chesterfield, and down I-85 to Gaffney - home of the Big Peach. Areas inside the CBS, Channel 3 viewing radius. Now, once you get to Myrtle Beach, Columbia and Spartanburg, it drops off and I agree that the Redskins and the Falcons would take over.

2. The Carolina Hurricanes represent the Triangle - the Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill metro area.

3. "Carolina" means UNC. Always has.

4. South Carolina is South Carolina, ask a Clemson fan. They don't call USC - "Carolina".

5. Next question?

PS - the real genesis of the use of the name "Carolina" fill in the blank started with the Carolina Cougars of the old ABA basketball league, back in the late 60's or early 70's. They knocked around Charlotte and Raleigh, perhaps Greensboro, but that set the general precedence. Plus the name "Charlotte" is unpopular in parts of NC due in part to cultural differences.

North Carolina is UNC, South Carolina is South Carolina.

If you live in the research triangle, "carolina" is UNC. Likewise if you live in South Carolina, "Carolina" mean South Carolina.

People nationwide don't make much of a distinction either way unless it's college basketball

If you live in North Carolina, Carolina is the heels. If you live is SC, Carolina is the Gamecocks. If you live anywhere else in the world, which I have lived many places being in the Army, Carolina means UNC basketball.

Which is exactly what I just said.

(09-06-2013 06:14 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 06:06 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 04:35 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 04:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-06-2013 01:04 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  Well I learned something today. I thought that they were just NC.

Do they have a strong following in SC? I have absolutely no personal knowledge or evidence to back this up, but I feel like their following is stronger in NC.

It's nowhere near as strong as the Panthers and the NFL would like you to think it is. I would imagine that they fall behind the Redskins (most of SC was Redskins territory broadcast-wise before the Panthers were created) Falcons (what areas didn't get the Skins got the Falcons) Cowboys, and Steelers. I would probably put Panther support neck in neck with Packers and Browns to be honest. (Lots of industries moved to SC from WI and Ohio.)

Quite honestly even after 20 years, and despite them playing their first season in Death Valley and holding training camp at Wofford College (Their owner is a Wofford Grad and former All American receiver for the Terriers), there is little connection between the team and the state of SC. A big part of it is being from the South.....we aren't as consumed with the NFL as the folks up north are. College football is, was, and always will be first and foremost the top of the game here.

1. The Carolina Panthers name was chosen to represent North and South Carolina. If you live in NC outside of the Charlotte metro, you tend to think of Charlotte as not NC, but not quite SC. Trust me, you have to be here to understand. The Charlotte metro in South Carolina, around the counties of York, Lancaster, Chester, Chesterfield, and down I-85 to Gaffney - home of the Big Peach. Areas inside the CBS, Channel 3 viewing radius. Now, once you get to Myrtle Beach, Columbia and Spartanburg, it drops off and I agree that the Redskins and the Falcons would take over.

2. The Carolina Hurricanes represent the Triangle - the Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill metro area.

3. "Carolina" means UNC. Always has.

4. South Carolina is South Carolina, ask a Clemson fan. They don't call USC - "Carolina".

5. Next question?

PS - the real genesis of the use of the name "Carolina" fill in the blank started with the Carolina Cougars of the old ABA basketball league, back in the late 60's or early 70's. They knocked around Charlotte and Raleigh, perhaps Greensboro, but that set the general precedence. Plus the name "Charlotte" is unpopular in parts of NC due in part to cultural differences.

North Carolina is UNC, South Carolina is South Carolina.

If you live in the research triangle, "carolina" is UNC. Likewise if you live in South Carolina, "Carolina" mean South Carolina.

People nationwide don't make much of a distinction either way unless it's college basketball

If you live in North Carolina, Carolina is the heels. If you live is SC, Carolina is the Gamecocks. If you live anywhere else in the world, which I have lived many places being in the Army, Carolina means UNC basketball.

Which is exactly what I just said.