(09-03-2013 12:32 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  SMU would look better if we didnt have Tiki Head as our coach

Good one, CalallenStang!

If he leaves, who would you like on The Hill; that is, if you want to divulge such information.

Good luck Saturday! You do know we don't hate SMU near as much as has most always been advertised. And even to TSU Bobcatters the same. After all, what is college football without some semblance of harmless but sometimes quite direct banter? Besides all respective schools having good football programs, what other variables are involved in having a good, heated rivalry than the fans being that variable? We the fans at all our various schools also don't make for good rivalries by sitting around a campfire singing Kum Bah Yah, either.

We do look forward to hosting SMU next Fall at our new digs, ie, Apogee. You will actually find our fans to be "Texas friendly" as we know yours will be. I hope it will be a good series because we know quite well it will be a well attended series, now don't we?

I want Chad Morris, but the big money guys will go after an "established name" instead of a coordinator. That is, if they manage to convince Carl Sewell to fire June instead of extending his contract this year.

Good luck to UNT this Saturday as well. I like you guys - I have friends that went to UNT and got a fantastic eduation and had a great time there as well. McCarney has you all on the right track!

(09-03-2013 11:55 AM)correcamino Wrote:  The same way Rice looked good despite losing by 21 and giving up 52 points? It was a four point game going into the 4th quarter. Not to mention the fact that SMU won a bowl game last season. NT and UH are coming off bad seasons...beating Idaho and an FCS team doesnt warrant jumping SMU over imo.

Tech is not A&M. Tech has a first year coach and a True freshman QB. SMU had a real chance to win that game. They just fell apart in the second half. SMU's last TD were garbage points against the backups. SMU might be ahead of UNT, but not Houston. We should probably wait a little longer before we declare them the next TCU. Montana State could give SMU all they can handle.

(09-03-2013 01:45 PM)randaddyminer Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 01:37 PM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote:  I don't think we should be above Houston or SMU unless they both start 0-4 or something.

pff.... what do you mean? Houston beat a school that mattered nothing in their fcs conference and smu was beat by an average b12 team. If anything, utsa and unt should be ranked better than them

All I'm saying is we beat Idaho(who I have gained a lot of respect for, but they have a ways to go) I don't think we deserve to be ahead of Houston by any means in this poll after one game. We'll see about SMU I think they will be fine they just didn't have the horses to compete with Tech, no big deal.

(09-03-2013 10:37 AM)MG61 Wrote:  Dave Campbell Texas Football Week One Power Poll.
http://www.texasfootball.com/college-news/view/180479

1. Texas A&M
2. Baylor
3. Texas
4. TCU
5. Texas Tech
6. Rice
7. Houston
8. North Texas
9. SMU
10. UTSA
11. Texas State
12. UTEP

I Think this is better and Dave and the guys knows more about every Texas Team.. Best of luck to everyone Next weekend

(09-03-2013 12:32 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  SMU would look better if we didnt have Tiki Head as our coach

Completely disagree. I've seen this thought on your board, and it just shows people forget losing very quickly. Before Jones got there, y'all hadn't had one winning season in 10 years. Now you've had four in a row.

The oft favorite comparison with TCU and getting to a BCS bowl: it took TCU 11 years to get to a BCS bowl and 12 years to win one since hiring Franchione/Patterson, and not every season was a 12-0 season, or even a winning one.

Jones has been on the job for five years, and has given Pony fans a place to go in December four out of the five. Most G5 schools should be so lucky. It's brought you a ton more attention than you've had the 20 years before that hire, other than the stories about coming back from the DP.

There's nothing wrong with wanting more, but some of your fans treat it as if SMU is destined for greatness and is being held back by Jones. None of these kids care about SMU coming out of high school. They were born after coming back from the DP, and didn't have one clue about what the 'Pony Express' is until 'Pony Excess'. The ones coming in for next year weren't even alive until after the Southwest Conference was dissolved; let that sink in. All they know of SMU is it's that school that always loses until very recently.

Build a winning tradition, and then maybe one day you'll be in the playoffs. Hell, even Boise State took nine years of winning to get to a BCS bowl, and that school is the embodiment of instant success.

(09-03-2013 10:01 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(09-03-2013 12:32 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  SMU would look better if we didnt have Tiki Head as our coach

Completely disagree. I've seen this thought on your board, and it just shows people forget losing very quickly. Before Jones got there, y'all hadn't had one winning season in 10 years. Now you've had four in a row.

The oft favorite comparison with TCU and getting to a BCS bowl: it took TCU 11 years to get to a BCS bowl and 12 years to win one since hiring Franchione/Patterson, and not every season was a 12-0 season, or even a winning one.

Jones has been on the job for five years, and has given Pony fans a place to go in December four out of the five. Most G5 schools should be so lucky. It's brought you a ton more attention than you've had the 20 years before that hire, other than the stories about coming back from the DP.

There's nothing wrong with wanting more, but some of your fans treat it as if SMU is destined for greatness and is being held back by Jones. None of these kids care about SMU coming out of high school. They were born after coming back from the DP, and didn't have one clue about what the 'Pony Express' is until 'Pony Excess'. The ones coming in for next year weren't even alive until after the Southwest Conference was dissolved; let that sink in. All they know of SMU is it's that school that always loses until very recently.

Build a winning tradition, and then maybe one day you'll be in the playoffs. Hell, even Boise State took nine years of winning to get to a BCS bowl, and that school is the embodiment of instant success.

The problem is that he outright refuses to recruit. I'd be OK with him if he would at least TRY to bring in better talent, but he won't. He has been content to do the minimum required to keep his job.

I thank him for what he has done, but he is not the man to help our program take the next step forward.

By the way, if you compare our progress to TCU's rise, we are behind the pace, and that is all due to recruiting.

The gulf in recruiting effort between our football and basketball staffs (both are traditionally losing programs over the past 20 years) could not be more pronounced.

I guess I'm confused on how you would know he refuses to recruit. Are you saying there are players you feel like would go to SMU but end up going to UH, UNT, UTSA, etc? Or are you saying that you're losing battles with Baylor, TCU, OSU, etc?

(09-04-2013 10:10 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  I guess I'm confused on how you would know he refuses to recruit. Are you saying there are players you feel like would go to SMU but end up going to UH, UNT, UTSA, etc? Or are you saying that you're losing battles with Baylor, TCU, OSU, etc?

I follow SMU very closely. June has in the past stated that he will not contact a recruit unless the player contacts him first to state their interest. We are not involved in any recruiting battles for top-tier recruits because June doesn't even try to get them (not even those from Dallas who may want to stay home). And there have been a lot of recruits who are contacted once to be told they have an offer and then contacted again only to be asked if they are ready to decide. The staff makes no sales pitch whatsoever.

I believe that this is because June does not like SMU and feels that there is nothing worth selling about the school. He belittles the school and its alumni often. He has said that the only reason he is still here is to minister to underprivileged youth in Dallas (admirable, but still...).

In order to take the next step forward, we need someone like that [Gary Patterson] Gary Patterson. Someone who embraces the school and believes in it enough to sell it to recruits who may not consider it otherwise. Someone who loves the community and rallies it around the program instead of belittling it. In short, someone who puts forth effort to do more than the minimum.

Sounds like exactly what happened to us with Darrell Dickey. Wasn't one of the recruiters ranked pretty highly, though?

Each of the three schools here offers something unique, and has its pros and cons. Going to SMU isn't the same as TCU isn't the same as UNT. If nothing else, I'd think SMU degrees being worth as much as they are combined with being in the middle of Dallas would attract a lot of kids. Jones has the added benefit now of a recent history of winning.

(09-04-2013 10:21 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 10:10 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  I guess I'm confused on how you would know he refuses to recruit. Are you saying there are players you feel like would go to SMU but end up going to UH, UNT, UTSA, etc? Or are you saying that you're losing battles with Baylor, TCU, OSU, etc?

I follow SMU very closely. June has in the past stated that he will not contact a recruit unless the player contacts him first to state their interest. We are not involved in any recruiting battles for top-tier recruits because June doesn't even try to get them (not even those from Dallas who may want to stay home). And there have been a lot of recruits who are contacted once to be told they have an offer and then contacted again only to be asked if they are ready to decide. The staff makes no sales pitch whatsoever.

I believe that this is because June does not like SMU and feels that there is nothing worth selling about the school. He belittles the school and its alumni often. He has said that the only reason he is still here is to minister to underprivileged youth in Dallas (admirable, but still...).

In order to take the next step forward, we need someone like that [Gary Patterson] Gary Patterson. Someone who embraces the school and believes in it enough to sell it to recruits who may not consider it otherwise. Someone who loves the community and rallies it around the program instead of belittling it. In short, someone who puts forth effort to do more than the minimum.

I can definitely see where you're coming from. Regardless of how good of a coach June is, he doesn't seem to display the type of passion and/or personality that fans can really get behind. I think that's why I like McCarney so much. Even if he didn't think we were worth a damn, you'd never know it. His passion and ability to motivate really has me believing that we're going in the right direction (for once!).

Why is June still there if he hates SMU so much?

Not that I can blame him.

(09-04-2013 11:33 AM)meangreener Wrote:  Why is June still there if he hates SMU so much?

Not that I can blame him.

No one else will take him. When he thought he was going to ASU, his son (verified to be his son) posted on PonyFans about how we were all losers and didn't deserve to have a football team. When the ASU deal fell through, instead of leveling with SMU boosters, he claimed that his agent made the ASU story up against June's wishes, and that we shouldn't believe everything we read.

The Dickey comparison is apt. Hopefully we won't make the same mistake UNT made when you all hired Dodge. McCarney is a great coach and was a terrific hire by you all.

(09-04-2013 12:47 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 11:33 AM)meangreener Wrote:  Why is June still there if he hates SMU so much?

Not that I can blame him.

No one else will take him. When he thought he was going to ASU, his son (verified to be his son) posted on PonyFans about how we were all losers and didn't deserve to have a football team. When the ASU deal fell through, instead of leveling with SMU boosters, he claimed that his agent made the ASU story up against June's wishes, and that we shouldn't believe everything we read.

The Dickey comparison is apt. Hopefully we won't make the same mistake UNT made when you all hired Dodge. McCarney is a great coach and was a terrific hire by you all.

Once June leaves or is fired do you think SMU will hire a younger coach like Texas Tech with Coach Bro or hire a coach who has been around and has name recognition like you did with Larry Brown?

(09-04-2013 01:57 PM)ntmeangreen11 Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 12:47 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 11:33 AM)meangreener Wrote:  Why is June still there if he hates SMU so much?

Not that I can blame him.

No one else will take him. When he thought he was going to ASU, his son (verified to be his son) posted on PonyFans about how we were all losers and didn't deserve to have a football team. When the ASU deal fell through, instead of leveling with SMU boosters, he claimed that his agent made the ASU story up against June's wishes, and that we shouldn't believe everything we read.

The Dickey comparison is apt. Hopefully we won't make the same mistake UNT made when you all hired Dodge. McCarney is a great coach and was a terrific hire by you all.

Once June leaves or is fired do you think SMU will hire a younger coach like Texas Tech with Coach Bro or hire a coach who has been around and has name recognition like you did with Larry Brown?

I think the boosters will go for an established coach.

SMU's recruiting could be a lot better. I mean hell, most of UH's recruits from 2010 onwards have had P5 offers.

(09-04-2013 12:47 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  When he thought he was going to ASU, his son (verified to be his son) posted on PonyFans about how we were all losers and didn't deserve to have a football team.

I'd love to see that thread.

Quote:The Dickey comparison is apt. Hopefully we won't make the same mistake UNT made when you all hired Dodge. McCarney is a great coach and was a terrific hire by you all.

Certainly hope so. This year will tell a lot.

(09-04-2013 03:16 PM)Gakusei Wrote:  

(09-04-2013 12:47 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  When he thought he was going to ASU, his son (verified to be his son) posted on PonyFans about how we were all losers and didn't deserve to have a football team.

I'd love to see that thread.

Quote:The Dickey comparison is apt. Hopefully we won't make the same mistake UNT made when you all hired Dodge. McCarney is a great coach and was a terrific hire by you all.

Certainly hope so. This year will tell a lot.

Unfortunately, the mods at Ponyfans deleted the thread at the direction of the athletic department, along with the thread in which players said that they would no longer play for June that sprouted up a few days later.

Those were fun times on that board. Too bad we have no record of it because the board owners acquiesce to any request the athletic department makes