Michael the Narwhal
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RE: #25 Ore St upset by E. Washington
Things aren't looking too good for the MAC so far this season :/:
The bad:
Akron gets rolled by UCF -- (7-38)
W Michigan manages to get just half the points of Michigan State -- (13-26)
Buffalo suffers the same fate against Ohio State -- (20-40)
Massachusetts rolled by Wisconsin -- (0-45)
Toledo gets rolled by Florida -- (6-24)
C Michigan gets steamrolled by Michigan -- (9-59)
Miami gets rolled by Marshall -- (14-52)
Ohio (picked to win the West Division) getting rolled by Louisville -- (7-49)
The not so bad, but not so good either:
Kent State (last year's East division champ) tops their FCS opponent by a mere 7 points -- (17-10)
E Michigan beats their FCS opponent by ten -- (34-24)
The good:
Ball St gets a healthy win over Illinois St -- (51-28)
Bowling Green rolls Tulsa -- (34-7)
N Illinois tops Iowa -- (30-27)
But keep in mind this same day N Iowa (FCS) beat Iowa State -- (28-20), amongst many other notable FCS victories. Iowa State is considered to be tougher than Iowa this season last I heard, too. A lot of the results this week make us look like an FCS league :(. I'm hoping things improve significantly with our remaining OOC games.
As a funny side note, some teams that seem to get frequently shat upon (E Michigan, Ball St, Bowling Green) are actually in the group that did the best this week.
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RE: #25 Ore St upset by E. Washington
Well KSU lost to UK in their opener last year, we'll see how the teams recover and do as the season progresses. Some will stay towards the bottom, but others like Toledo and Ohio should improve upon their lackluster performances.
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09-01-2013 06:11 PM |
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RE: #25 Ore St upset by E. Washington
stop referring to northwestern as a "weak bcs" program. Illinois is a weak bcs program. iowa st is a weak bcs program. duke is a weak bcs program. northwestern is typically top half of the big 10 standings.
Toledo was not embarrassed by florida. they need to better use the run and get their qb to settle down against the rush.
western's d was great.
bg huge win over a Tulsa team expected to challenge for conf usa (and who always whoops bg)
fcs programs like eastern Washington, Delaware, JMU, N Dakota St are historically pretty good programs at their level. eastern michigan has no history of being good. eastern mich sits in the middle of the nexus of 4 huge programs (osu, notre dame, Michigan, mich st) and 4 historically stronger mac programs (Toledo, CMU, Western, BG). it's a tough place to build a D1 program. Schools like Delaware and N Dakota St have strong football histories and are more of a destination school in their sub-region than Ypsilanti. e wash is a fcs powerhouse. Oregon st shoulda asked somebody. the top 5 fcs teams would play 500% ball against a 12 game random D1 schedule. if you knew college football you dvr'd/tivo'd that game.
(This post was last modified: 09-02-2013 04:52 AM by pono.)
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09-02-2013 04:50 AM |
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RE: #25 Ore St upset by E. Washington
(09-01-2013 03:03 PM)DrTorch Wrote: (09-01-2013 12:35 PM)KAUMASS Wrote: Wisonsin is going to run over everybody this year.
Appreciate the love Dr T. Karma will find you.
I wasn't talking just about Wisc. Did you happen to see your results from last year?
Oh, and I hope karma finds me, tell me where I've been less than honest?
Your comments towards UMass over the last 2 years are always negative. We are a transitional program that will take us a couple of years at least to be competitive at the MAC level. We have arguably the toughest schedule in the MAC for the last 2 years. We are exchanging huge paydays for beat downs so we can build our infrastructure and grow our program. All you do is whine and complain like a little ***** that the MAC is stuck with us. Ask anyone on here if they think you push your comments about UMass past the edge on this board. Our scheduling in the next few years we take on Florida, Penn State and other top schools. UMass will continue to schedule nasty OOC competition.
Karma will find you in a couple of years because the MAC will be proud to have us a member when we are competing for MAC titles and giving teams like Florida tough games and representing the MAC well. Time frame-another 3-5 years.
As for right now, we suck. It's obvious. F.O.
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09-02-2013 08:21 AM |
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RE: #25 Ore St upset by E. Washington
(09-02-2013 04:50 AM)pono Wrote: stop referring to northwestern as a "weak bcs" program. Illinois is a weak bcs program. iowa st is a weak bcs program. duke is a weak bcs program. northwestern is typically top half of the big 10 standings.
Toledo was not embarrassed by florida. they need to better use the run and get their qb to settle down against the rush.
western's d was great.
bg huge win over a Tulsa team expected to challenge for conf usa (and who always whoops bg)
fcs programs like eastern Washington, Delaware, JMU, N Dakota St are historically pretty good programs at their level. eastern michigan has no history of being good. eastern mich sits in the middle of the nexus of 4 huge programs (osu, notre dame, Michigan, mich st) and 4 historically stronger mac programs (Toledo, CMU, Western, BG). it's a tough place to build a D1 program. Schools like Delaware and N Dakota St have strong football histories and are more of a destination school in their sub-region than Ypsilanti. e wash is a fcs powerhouse. Oregon st shoulda asked somebody. the top 5 fcs teams would play 500% ball against a 12 game random D1 schedule. if you knew college football you dvr'd/tivo'd that game.
Best post of the weekend. E. Wash is better than over half of the MAC IMO. They would probably contend for the east with Bg. OU. Buffalo. and Kent. BUT Oregon State might be horrible. They were preseason ranked 25. Wasn't Oklahoma State the same way last season, then Arizona drilled em???
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09-02-2013 09:05 AM |
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MileHighBronco
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RE: #25 Ore St upset by E. Washington
What goes unsaid here is that FCS teams can take FBS transfers without them sitting out for a year. The more powerful FCS teams often get the most talented FBS transfers. Whether they were disgruntled at lack of PT, or kicked off their FBS team for rules violations, doesn't matter. They can go straight to an FCS program and start for them.
THAT factors into a lot of these 'upsets.'
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09-02-2013 02:48 PM |
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RE: #25 Ore St upset by E. Washington
(09-02-2013 02:48 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote: What goes unsaid here is that FCS teams can take FBS transfers without them sitting out for a year. The more powerful FCS teams often get the most talented FBS transfers. Whether they were disgruntled at lack of PT, or kicked off their FBS team for rules violations, doesn't matter. They can go straight to an FCS program and start for them.
THAT factors into a lot of these 'upsets.'
And then they move to the FBS, lose that pipeline of talent, and struggle.
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09-02-2013 02:59 PM |
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RE: #25 Ore St upset by E. Washington
Lot of it is established program reputation.
NDSU has a reputation as a very good program which frequently competes for a FCS championship.
Lot of recruits like the FCS playoffs.
What hurts the MAC and others is we play for minor bowls. The big boys play for a big bowls; FCS plays for their national championship.
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09-02-2013 03:01 PM |
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RE: #25 Ore St upset by E. Washington
(09-01-2013 06:40 AM)T-Town Wrote: Looks like Toledo's home opener in a couple of weeks (against Eastern Washington) just got a lot more interesting.
EWU is no joke, they won the FCS national championship in 2010
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RE: #25 Ore St upset by E. Washington
(09-02-2013 09:05 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote: (09-02-2013 04:50 AM)pono Wrote: stop referring to northwestern as a "weak bcs" program. Illinois is a weak bcs program. iowa st is a weak bcs program. duke is a weak bcs program. northwestern is typically top half of the big 10 standings.
Toledo was not embarrassed by florida. they need to better use the run and get their qb to settle down against the rush.
western's d was great.
bg huge win over a Tulsa team expected to challenge for conf usa (and who always whoops bg)
fcs programs like eastern Washington, Delaware, JMU, N Dakota St are historically pretty good programs at their level. eastern michigan has no history of being good. eastern mich sits in the middle of the nexus of 4 huge programs (osu, notre dame, Michigan, mich st) and 4 historically stronger mac programs (Toledo, CMU, Western, BG). it's a tough place to build a D1 program. Schools like Delaware and N Dakota St have strong football histories and are more of a destination school in their sub-region than Ypsilanti. e wash is a fcs powerhouse. Oregon st shoulda asked somebody. the top 5 fcs teams would play 500% ball against a 12 game random D1 schedule. if you knew college football you dvr'd/tivo'd that game.
Best post of the weekend.
Really? Because what I see is this, "It's too hard! "
Fine, if it's too hard, then stop pretending. I pointed out three other directional schools that got it done. But if it's just impossible for EMU, then why keep at it? It's irrational to pursue the impossible, and that's inappropriate for a university.
Quote:What goes unsaid here is that FCS teams can take FBS transfers without them sitting out for a year. The more powerful FCS teams often get the most talented FBS transfers. Whether they were disgruntled at lack of PT, or kicked off their FBS team for rules violations, doesn't matter. They can go straight to an FCS program and start for them.
THAT factors into a lot of these 'upsets.'
And then they move to the FBS, lose that pipeline of talent, and struggle.
I can see some validity in this. Delaware does the same thing (I hear their radio broadcasts sometimes). Still, I believe there's room for improvement w/in the MAC.
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RE: #25 Ore St upset by E. Washington
NDSU win over k state is much bigger than this.
Ksu was #1 10 months ago returned entire O line , still had 4 all americans and juco QB of the year.
Oregon st has zero past program success and played zero defense.
Ps. NDSU has zero fbs transfers..0!
(This post was last modified: 09-06-2013 03:41 PM by lakesbison.)
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